ChupaChups Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Being launched at the Munich show. New Esotar3 tweeter, new drivers, new cabinet materials. Range: Technical characteristics : Confidence 20: 2-way library speaker, DDC technology 1 x 18 cm long-excursion MSP woofer with neodymium magnet 1 Esotar3 tweeter with textile dome Price: 12 000 € Confidence 30: 3-way column, DDC technology 2 x 18 cm neodymium magnet MSP boomers 1 x 15 cm neodymium magnet 1 Esotar3 tweeter with textile dome and DDC acoustic lens Price: 19 000 € Confidence 50: 3-way column, DDC technology 2 x 18 cm neodymium magnet boomers 2 x 15 cm neodymium magnet 1 esotar3 dome tweeter with DDC acoustic lens Price: 26 000 € Confidence 60: 3-way column, DDC technology 2 x 15 cm neodymium magnet boomers 2 x 15 cm neodymium magnet 1 esotar3 dome tweeter with DDC acoustic lens Price: 40 000 € Taken from https://www.on-mag.fr/index.php/topaudio/actualites-news/17872-dynaudio-confidence-2018-la-marque-danoise-renoue-avec-la-hifi-haut-de-gamme 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray H Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Hey Beer, I am not loving the look of them much, what about you ? The price jump is a little scary also.. I guess this kind of result was always going to be the case when they sold the company to a group of Chinese investors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren69 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Not as nice looking as the current ones but would be amazing nonetheless, am a big fan of Dynaudio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChupaChups Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ray H said: Hey Beer, I am not loving the look of them much, what about you ? The price jump is a little scary also.. I guess this kind of result was always going to be the case when they sold the company to a group of Chinese investors. Yeah Ray, The Confidence series has always provoked a polar reaction. You either love it or hate it I guess. Price hike is always on the card, having invested in a fair bit of R&D. Btw, the top dog of the series mean to replace the Temptation. Is a bit out of my range. LOL. Still won't ming a listen tho. SMB Edited May 10, 2018 by Sirmorebeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray H Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Didn't realise the 60 was meant to replace the Evidence temptation, the upmarket jump kind of makes sense in that respect, thanks for that. The latest Contour was creeping in price to the old series as well, so it was inevitable, just surprised how much. Yeah I agree WRT looks, I think the current/about to be replaced confidence look amazing, but im sure some don't like them. Be interesting to see what kind of signature they are going with the Esotar 3, I would be very surprised if it isn't brighter than the Esotar 2. Surprised they have only got one tweeter as well, the new Esotar must have greater dispersion to make up for it. Looks - its all about the protruding baffle in Confidence, if only they had made the baffle bigger or wider, Im sure the computer said not to do that though fm a sound perspective.. Edited May 10, 2018 by Ray H 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 hmm... could be a case of computer says.... also no more dual tweeter ? computer says thats no good too ? I always thought the dual tweeter an oddity... but no doubt something dyn thought made sense, but looks like moved away from ? is it because the silver moulded thing looks a bit plasticky. also wonder if the full gloss not doing them favours. ive always preferred satin finishes for timber. but am glad they have kept the timber veneer options... perhaps different case in the flesh ? with photos not doing justice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChupaChups Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Ray H said: Be interesting to see what kind of signature they are going with the Esotar 3, I would be very surprised if it isn't brighter than the Esotar 2. Surprised they have only got one tweeter as well, the new Esotar must have greater dispersion to make up for it. Looks - its all about the protruding baffle in Confidence, if only they had made the baffle bigger or wider, Im sure the computer said not to do that though fm a sound perspective.. If you check their video blog regarding the Special 40's tweeter, is inevitable Esotar 3 is the result thru evolution . Their new R&D facilities in relation to the placement of the new tweeter, you just have to trust their science. While shiny new toys are good, I'll look forward to the run out price of a C4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChupaChups Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, al said: hmm... could be a case of computer says.... also no more dual tweeter ? computer says thats no good too ? I always thought the dual tweeter an oddity... but no doubt something dyn thought made sense, but looks like moved away from ? is it because the silver moulded thing looks a bit plasticky. also wonder if the full gloss not doing them favours. ive always preferred satin finishes for timber. but am glad they have kept the timber veneer options... perhaps different case in the flesh ? with photos not doing justice. Hopefully they will offer more finishes? Dual tweeter might be reserved for the next upper series - new Evidence? Now they have refreshed the Contours and Confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sirmorebeer said: Hopefully they will offer more finishes? Dual tweeter might be reserved for the next upper series - new Evidence? Now they have refreshed the Contours and Confidence. in the photo you posted above theres dual tweeters staring at the back end of the guy there who looks a bit lost so who knows might make a come back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafe67 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I'll stick with my C5's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrmax Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Quote is it because the silver moulded thing looks a bit plasticky. also wonder if the full gloss not doing them favours. ive always preferred satin finishes for timber. but am glad they have kept the timber veneer options... Yes makes them look a bit tacky; looks like something you'd buy from JB hifi or Harvey Norman for your Mcmansion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChupaChups Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) @Ray H More blurb from Dyns: "Again, when judging the price, we are in a process of re-arranging how our lineups fit into the market. Neither Contour 20 nor Confidence 20 is designed to be "the same but better", they are quite different beasts. There will always be a minority that liked the old designs better, this is normal. But the Confidence 20 is at least as big a leap over the C1, as the Contour 20 is over 1.4. The downfiring port alone makes a huge difference in the bass region, when we release the final specs later in the year I can get some exact numbers, but it rolls off lower, has less distortion and port noise, AND more than 10 dB higher headroom at low frequencies. And the Esotar3 is really a "cost no object" tweeter, that is designed to take over from TWO Esotar2's in the previous floorstanders. We could of course have kept the cost down by putting an Esotar2 in the Confidence 20, but we chose to (logically) stick with the same tweeter across the line. What I am trying to say is, the new Confidence line is not only replacing the Confidence, but also the Evidence. Confidence 20 is not only replacing C1, it's the Evidence monitor that we never had. I guess if we had named the whole range Evidence instead of Confidence, the comments would have been different... The Confidence 60 is easily the best speaker we have ever created. PLEASE have a listen if you ever get the chance. Also note that the Confidence 20 price includes a dedicated stand, which is mandatory as the rounded top plate of the stand is part of the port tuning. This stand in itself is much more expensive than a Stand 20 or Stand 6, which you would use with a C1. Also, yes the new models are not as tall as the old ones. I'm struggling to find the exact numbers right now, but the Confidence 30 is about the height of a Contour 60, the Confidence 60 is a little bit lower than a C4, with the Confidence 50 in between." Edited May 11, 2018 by Sirmorebeer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Apart from performance the only thing that is an improvement is the plinth. The old mdf plinths looked great but trying to move them would damage them very easily. Confidence C series have always been my favourite looking speaker. I hope they look better in the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warweary Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 New Confidence too expensive. The Contour 60 is my preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren69 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Dynaudio tweeters are the best in the business IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wikeeboy Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, Darren69 said: Dynaudio tweeters are the best in the business IMO. I'd argue the point on that Daz, but you know i'm biased 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sator Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Dynaudio specialist at my local store (who had heard them on a visit to Dynaudio in Denmark) said that the updated Confidence range won't be available in AU until January. On inquiring with the distributor, they aren't planning to discount the outgoing Confidence range as they think they'll still sell well given the price rise in the new range. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullshred Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) On 13/06/2018 at 3:56 PM, Sator said: The Dynaudio specialist at my local store (who had heard them on a visit to Dynaudio in Denmark) said that the updated Confidence range won't be available in AU until January. On inquiring with the distributor, they aren't planning to discount the outgoing Confidence range as they think they'll still sell well given the price rise in the new range. Thanks for the info. They certainly didn't budge when I ordered a C1 centre. (There's no stock in Australia by the way, the centre is on order from Denmark with a 6-8 week lead time.) I picked up Carlton AV's last pair of C1's, and I see Klapp just sold their last pair as well. Edited June 26, 2018 by fullshred Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 According to the Dynaudio tech videos online The dual tweeter arrangement (and the crossovers) was to control vertical dispersion (DDC in Dynaudo speak) - resulting in less bounce from the floor / ceiling. They said the tweeters always had great horizontal dispersion. With additional R&D in the new facility they realised they could control the vertical dispersion with a single tweeter AND reshaping the plinth/baffle. Less complex speaker/crossover arrangement, same or better result. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullshred Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm a huge fan of dynaudio, have been ever since I first heard the Confidence 3's way back in 2003. I've got about $35k worth of their kit, so a big believer. I was underwhelmed by the look of the new contours (although the grey oak is a gorgeous veneer) and, based on the pretty bad photos from High End, I think the Confidence look awful. So moulded and.. cheap looking. The contour 20's look ok in the flesh (better than photos), I look forward to listening to the Confidence 20 when it finally comes out. So glad to have picked up a pair of C1's last month, they're beauties. Or maybe I'm just living in the past! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanL-UK Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Old thread but.. I’m in-home demoing the new Confidence 30 next week. Currently have Contour 60. Will be very interesting! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximus Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Keen to hear your thoughts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullshred Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 @ianl-uk, who did you organise the demo through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactic Soap Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Given his location - I'd say a UK dealer. Not sure what Dynaudio doing at the moment with this new Confidence series. It was announced/launched in May at Munich 2018, and as we approach Christmas they're yet to his the show-room floor? During this time, they've launched the Evoke series, which based on a few comments on another forum will ship before the new Confidence series that was launched before it. The new Confidence series isn't even listed on their website. Frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim D Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 On 05/12/2018 at 9:09 AM, IanL-UK said: Old thread but.. I’m in-home demoing the new Confidence 30 next week. Currently have Contour 60. Will be very interesting! How did it go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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