Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted November 8, 2013 Volunteer Posted November 8, 2013 "valve-like" 1
Phantom Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 Replacing fuses for a revelation. The best of SS and valve in one unit. 2
TP1 Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) I must admit I'm disappointed when I hear the term " hifi-ish" . I am pretty sure I know what is meant by it but I think it is used when people want to make sure there is a "put down" of the equipment they are referring to but without giiving an objective and detailed analysis where their reasoning can be questioned. Same goes for the term " lacks musicality" Edited November 11, 2013 by Tasso 3
THOMO Posted November 11, 2013 Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) On 11/11/2013 at 5:19 PM, Tasso said: I must admit I'm disappointed when I hear the term " hifi-ish" . I am pretty sure I know what is meant by it but I think it is used when people want to make sure there is a "put down" of the equipment they are referring to but without giiving an objective and detailed analysis where their reasoning can be questioned. Same goes for the term " lacks musicality" Analysis has nothing to do with it.In fact it is the last thing you want. It is a simple case of musical and emotional connection and that is a purely subjective and personal thing. There is nothing wrong with those terms although I guess they probably should be used with "for me" attached to them. Hi fi is a bit like art-different things are going to connect with different people and some things are going to leave you cold.These connections are very real to the individual however. Edited November 11, 2013 by THOMO 1
ellrotts Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On 11/11/2013 at 11:34 PM, Willco said: My Whining! :lol: Willco I find it quite educational
TP1 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) On 11/11/2013 at 10:36 PM, THOMO said: Analysis has nothing to do with it.In fact it is the last thing you want. It is a simple case of musical and emotional connection and that is a purely subjective and personal thing. There is nothing wrong with those terms although I guess they probably should be used with "for me" attached to them. Hi fi is a bit like art-different things are going to connect with different people and some things are going to leave you cold.These connections are very real to the individual however. They are closed subjective judgements - such as "I don't like it" or giving a "thumbs down" . Imagine if every equipment report, review or comment was a simple thumbs up or down? There is no context to provide others with the tools to make their own assessments. Edited November 12, 2013 by Tasso
THOMO Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On 12/11/2013 at 4:13 AM, Tasso said: They are closed subjective judgements - such as "I don't like it" or giving a "thumbs down" . Imagine if every equipment report, review or comment was a simple thumbs up or down? There is no context to provide others with the tools to make their own assessments. Well if somebody describes something as awesome you know straight away it is complete crap. I am starting to think you can apply the same to "accurate".Whatever that is. Sorry Tasso but I have been suffering from audiophilia intolerance syndrome lately.
TP1 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On 12/11/2013 at 8:40 AM, THOMO said: Well if somebody describes something as awesome you know straight away it is complete crap. I am starting to think you can apply the same to "accurate".Whatever that is. Sorry Tasso but I have been suffering from audiophilia intolerance syndrome lately. Well that's a new one! A.I.S. heh? I can imagine Thommo explaining to our boys in blue - "Sorry Officer it was the A.I.S that caused me to put my foot through the bass cone"
carlcip Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 But if you really want to drive them properly, you're gonna need...
Once was an audiophile Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On 08/11/2013 at 10:02 AM, hochopeper said: Duelund capacitors Have you heard them?
vitavoxdude Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Yes interesting question. Things I am tired of hearing: 1. Systems that fail to engage the listener in any way shape of form. 2. People who think by increasing the volume makes it sound dynamic. 3. People who have never heard a good reproduction system in their puff ranting on about how good their system is. 4. People with high disposable incomes buying 'pretty hifi' and then talking it up. 5. People who follow the latest and greatest crazes in the audio world and quote numbers and trash. 6. People with 'subs' who do not even understand what the term means or how to deploy them correctly. 7. People who refer to 'bins' who have not got a clue as to what they really are. 8. Fashion victims who have to have the latest 'pretty' speaker cables. 9. People who will only play a system at very low levels. 10. People who only play one kind of music but rant on about how great it sounds. 11. Systems which fail to be able to differentiate between violas and violins. 12. Bandwidth limited systems. 13. System with sat on, compressed dynamics. 14. System driven into clipping but the owner thinks it sounds loud and great. 15. Users of medium quality pro power amps used for power rather than finesse, ho hum. :nana 16. People who reckon streamed music over grot boxes can equal a well balanced front end. OK enough all ready V 3
oceangreen17 Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 ...the upshot of all this incisiveness was a certain lucidity that was all about arriving at the altar of the Pizza centre - Not necessarily a Domino's, but more a Sven's, where the mosfet was unveiled, the bi-polar less distorted, and then the music, ... yes the music ... became the cheese .... with apologies to Blinky who did it so much better !
Newman Posted November 12, 2013 Author Posted November 12, 2013 On 12/11/2013 at 2:03 PM, vitavoxdude said: Yes interesting question. Things I am tired of hearing: 1. Systems that fail to engage the listener in any way shape of form. 2. People who think by increasing the volume makes it sound dynamic. 3. People who have never heard a good reproduction system in their puff ranting on about how good their system is. 4. People with high disposable incomes buying 'pretty hifi' and then talking it up. 5. People who follow the latest and greatest crazes in the audio world and quote numbers and trash. 6. People with 'subs' who do not even understand what the term means or how to deploy them correctly. 7. People who refer to 'bins' who have not got a clue as to what they really are. 8. Fashion victims who have to have the latest 'pretty' speaker cables. 9. People who will only play a system at very low levels. 10. People who only play one kind of music but rant on about how great it sounds. 11. Systems which fail to be able to differentiate between violas and violins. 12. Bandwidth limited systems. 13. System with sat on, compressed dynamics. 14. System driven into clipping but the owner thinks it sounds loud and great. 15. Users of medium quality pro power amps used for power rather than finesse, ho hum. 16. People who reckon streamed music over grot boxes can equal a well balanced front end. OK enough all ready V People whose pet hates list mostly starts with the word 'people'! :nana
Newman Posted November 12, 2013 Author Posted November 12, 2013 That pentode is wasted unless you convert it to triode mode.
Peter_F Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 On 12/11/2013 at 2:03 PM, vitavoxdude said: Yes interesting question. Things I am tired of hearing: 1. Systems that fail to engage the listener in any way shape of form. 2. People who think by increasing the volume makes it sound dynamic. 3. People who have never heard a good reproduction system in their puff ranting on about how good their system is. 4. People with high disposable incomes buying 'pretty hifi' and then talking it up. 5. People who follow the latest and greatest crazes in the audio world and quote numbers and trash. 6. People with 'subs' who do not even understand what the term means or how to deploy them correctly. 7. People who refer to 'bins' who have not got a clue as to what they really are. 8. Fashion victims who have to have the latest 'pretty' speaker cables. 9. People who will only play a system at very low levels. 10. People who only play one kind of music but rant on about how great it sounds. 11. Systems which fail to be able to differentiate between violas and violins. 12. Bandwidth limited systems. 13. System with sat on, compressed dynamics. 14. System driven into clipping but the owner thinks it sounds loud and great. 15. Users of medium quality pro power amps used for power rather than finesse, ho hum. :nana 16. People who reckon streamed music over grot boxes can equal a well balanced front end. OK enough all ready V Hi Steve, I didn't know that you were on SNA!! Well based on that criteria of your hates you have set the bar very high! I can't wait to hear your system when it's finally up and running. Cheers Pete 1
anfs Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 The legendary b*llsh*t golden ears of reviewers who claim to hear things no one else can This line in the Absolute Sound Bud Fried Tower Review stood out Fried Tower’s measured impedance minima are 4 ohms at 200Hz and 2.7 ohms at 2.7kHz, the latter minimum being crossover related. That leaves the door wide open for power-amplifier/source-impedance interactions at these impedance minima. For example, switching from a solid-sate power amp with a source impedance under 0.1 ohms to a tube amp with a source impedance of 1.6 ohms resulted in about a 1dB reduction in SPL near these minima. The audible result was a lean upper-bass range and an upper-midrange dip that shifted soprano and violin tonality toward a darker and coarser timbre than the real thing.
TP1 Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 On 12/11/2013 at 8:40 AM, THOMO said: Well if somebody describes something as awesome you know straight away it is complete crap. I am starting to think you can apply the same to "accurate".Whatever that is. Sorry Tasso but I have been suffering from audiophilia intolerance syndrome lately. Sorry Thommo but this one still grates on me. While you may use term "Hi-Fi'sh" in a consistent manner, many do not. In fact I suspect it is often used to describe systems which simply have high resolution. The emotional attachment some people have with the portrayal of music is in fact nostalgia IMO. They identify with what they know and used to. So Its not a case of "I know what I like" but in fact is a case of "I like what I know". Then there is the laziness of the expression together with other non descriptive put-downs like "not Musical" or "crap". They all mean the same thing i.e. " I don't like it but if I try to describe it I might get challenged and lose the put-down effect" 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted November 17, 2013 Volunteer Posted November 17, 2013 Threads that start off fun and then get all serious 1
Newman Posted November 17, 2013 Author Posted November 17, 2013 On 17/11/2013 at 12:23 PM, Tasso said: " I don't like it but if I try to describe it I might get challenged and lose the put-down effect" Like!
THOMO Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) On 17/11/2013 at 12:23 PM, Tasso said: Sorry Thommo but this one still grates on me. While you may use term "Hi-Fi'sh" in a consistent manner, many do not. In fact I suspect it is often used to describe systems which simply have high resolution. The emotional attachment some people have with the portrayal of music is in fact nostalgia IMO. They identify with what they know and used to. So Its not a case of "I know what I like" but in fact is a case of "I like what I know". Then there is the laziness of the expression together with other non descriptive put-downs like "not Musical" or "crap". They all mean the same thing i.e. " I don't like it but if I try to describe it I might get challenged and lose the put-down effect" No musical engagement is a real thing for those who are sensitive to it. Just last week I had a 76 year old who has been passionate about music and hosts a weekly radio show about music bobbing ,writhing and moving to music in my listening chair way past his bed time just as I do and another muso friend does on the same system.Change the speakers to something more "hi fi" and less musical and all that stops dead. Edited November 17, 2013 by THOMO 3
TP1 Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 On 17/11/2013 at 12:50 PM, THOMO said: No musical engagement is a real thing for those who are sensitive to it. Just last week I had a 76 year old who has been passionate about music and hosts a weekly radio show about music bobbing ,writhing and moving to music in my listening chair way past his bed time just as I do and another muso friend does on the same system.Change the speakers to something more "hi fi" and less musical and all that stops dead. Still doesn't explain anything - just means someone didn't like it
THOMO Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 On 17/11/2013 at 3:58 PM, Tasso said: Still doesn't explain anything - just means someone didn't like it Perhaps somebody with a Phd in psychological anthropology, music and acoustic engineering could explain it. 1
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 On 17/11/2013 at 10:33 PM, THOMO said: Perhaps somebody with a Phd in psychological anthropology, music and acoustic engineering could explain it. Perhaps. IME, everyone has a different idea of what constitutes good (aka: accurate) music reproduction. Some prefer pin-point accurate imagining. Some prefer accurate micro and macro dynamics. Others prefer a flat phase and broad frequency response. Others prefer a 'euphonic' or romantic presentation, which actually divorces the music from reality. Usually, listeners can forgive one or more aspects of sound reproduction, provided their preferences are met. 4
Guest JohnA Posted November 17, 2013 Posted November 17, 2013 On 17/11/2013 at 11:12 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: Perhaps. IME, everyone has a different idea of what constitutes good (aka: accurate) music reproduction. Some prefer pin-point accurate imagining. Some prefer accurate micro and macro dynamics. Others prefer a flat phase and broad frequency response. Others prefer a 'euphonic' or romantic presentation, which actually divorces the music from reality. Usually, listeners can forgive one or more aspects of sound reproduction, provided their preferences are met. yep, can appreciate that i know i love the VPI HRX with lyra when i want to hear lots of dynamics with an (accurate) sound but then, there are times, i prefer to put the mambo on with the spu cart, which gives me a nice romantic presentation for those lovely jazz or vocal (easy listening) records. Both have a place for me, and appreciate each one for different reasons
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