caddisgeek Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 Yes, pun intended. I understand why we spike speakers on carpet, but is there any advantage on hard floors? Does using disks under the spikes negate any benefit? 1
Telecine Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 My experience is that there is benefit, even if using the floor protecting discs. Firstly, the adjustable nature of spikes allows you to ensure a solid bass for the speakers regardless of how imperfect the floor is. Secondly, the spikes will ensure that the speakers a properly coupled to the floor. 2
Grimmie Posted November 15, 2015 Posted November 15, 2015 I liked this purely for the header, and I think that the discs probably wood (p.i.) negate.
Bill125812 Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 My experience is that there is benefit, even if using the floor protecting discs. Firstly, the adjustable nature of spikes allows you to ensure a solid bass for the speakers regardless of how imperfect the floor is. Secondly, the spikes will ensure that the speakers a properly coupled to the floor. +1 I have tried many speakers with and without spikes on my tiles floor To my ears they always sound better with spikes.
Cloth Ears Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 Yes, pun intended. I understand why we spike speakers on carpet, but is there any advantage on hard floors? Does using disks under the spikes negate any benefit? SWMBO can dust underneath them! A positive in anyone's language. Also, spikes are effective in stopping the whole speaker/stand thing from moving about. Generally, a speaker stand on solid floor will not move that much (if at all), but on rubber feet it will move a certain amount, on plastic feet, it may not 'rock' but it may move microscopically across the floor at each movement of the speaker cone(s). Spike connection will lessen either of these effects. On the other coin, as soon as you have direct connection between speaker and the ground/floor, then your speaker can pick-up and amplify vibrations from the ground/floor. Obvious things like jumping on a wooden floor near your turntable are (well) obvious - but listening to the low level bass from the traffic on the street outside your house are not. So, Dr CE recommends a combination of both, if possible. Rubber (this being a functional term, in no way related to the latex produced by trees - unless you want it to be) to isolate your speaker from the nearest item (eg. stand or plinth) and then connection via spike the rest of the way to the floor.
buddyev Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) I've tried my viennas flat on the timber floor - boomy; on hard rubber discs - a bit of sway and loss of focus; and on spikes on 5ct pieces - most rigid. Spikes are definitely the way to go for me. A bit of blutak between spike and coin is even better. Before you all start in with the heckling at my stupidity with the blutak. a tiny Blob means you can move the speakers without the coin falling off the spike and gouging the floor. Edited November 18, 2015 by buddyev
betty boop Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 spikes on hard floor please use 5c pieces if need be...but spikes !
buddyev Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Looks I better give it a shotthere was a thread last year on this very topic which rapidly descended into name calling and SNAs customary brutality. This thread has been a bit polite and disappointing. 1
Bill125812 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 there was a thread last year on this very topic which rapidly descended into name calling and SNAs customary brutality. This thread has been a bit polite and disappointing. It's all fu**cing bull*****. Now I'm feeling a little better. 2
caddisgeek Posted November 18, 2015 Author Posted November 18, 2015 Nice breeds nice buddyev, I'm a nice guy, my threads are nice
Saxon Hall Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Well there you go. Someone has finally found a use for those pesky 5 cent coins Goodonya Russ
buddyev Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Well there you go. Someone has finally found a use for those pesky 5 cent coins Goodonya Russ actually I just upgraded to 10 ct coins. Much better imaging.I have 8 used 5ct coins going spare - you can have them for what I paid for them if you like - $6. Includes blutak. Edited November 18, 2015 by buddyev 2
buddyev Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Nice breeds nice buddyev, I'm a nice guy, my threads are niceto quote a well known member - Narf. 1
caddisgeek Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 actually I just upgraded to 10 ct coins. Much better imaging. I have 8 used 5ct coins going spare - you can have them for what I paid for them if you like - $6. Includes blutak. As $2 coins are heavier and more expensive would they sound significantly better?
betty boop Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 As $2 coins are heavier and more expensive would they sound significantly better? less is more.... 1c or 2c if can... higher pressure since reduced surface area
blybo Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Spikes directly onto Ikea Bamboo chopping boards on my floating floor. Have been thinking about some of these for aesthetics more than anything http://herbiesaudiolab.net/spkrfeet.htm
buddyev Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 less is more.... 1c or 2c if can... higher pressure since reduced surface area Yes but they're copper - and the embossing on those old coins was about 0.0026 of a millimetre higher than the newer 5 & 20 ct coins thus reducing the surface contact with the floor. They're less stable.
andyr Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I've tried my viennas flat on the timber floor - boomy; on hard rubber discs - a bit of sway and loss of focus; and on spikes on 5ct pieces - most rigid. Spikes are definitely the way to go for me. Sounds like (p.i. !! ) you and @@djb need to come round when my system is finally playing music to see whether I get any SQ improvement from adding spikes to my Maggie stands. I have the spikes but currently the stands are resting on the carpet ... and underneath the underlay is 25mm of compressed fibre-cement sheet as the floor. Andy
djb Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Any excuse for a drink within walking distance = @@buddyev
caddisgeek Posted November 20, 2015 Author Posted November 20, 2015 So I found the metal floor protectors that came with the stands, they have little rubber grommets underneath grommets on or off?
SteveC Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 well why are they there then? Probably to prevent nice floors being marked. Slightly contra to the flow here but I actually found vibrapods under my Orpheus Apollos sounded better than spikes. This is tiles on concrete. If you look at the iso acoustics stands used for pro monitors they work on decoupling. Part of that is because they sit on desks but there is also an argument to allow the speaker to move I reckon don't overthink it. Try with or without spikes and see what you like. You might be happy with some felt pads.
caddisgeek Posted November 20, 2015 Author Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Probably to prevent nice floors being marked. but if I take off the rubber pads and the nice floors are marked by the floor protection discs they no longer serve their purpose Edited November 20, 2015 by caddisgeek
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