Dead people who are nearly alive.

[Luc]

@Addicted to music 

These guys were the original GOT's . You were dragged out to your execution lashed to a sled with out wheels dragged behind a horse and you were upside down. Then you were given the chance to speak your final words and if they didn't like your final words they had drummers set up under your platform to drown out the words.

 

After you were finished, you were strung up and hung but not until you died(it wasn't till much later on that they used a drop to break your neck like a modern hanging), just until you were blue and swollen in the face and your tongue was swelling out through your mouth, then you were cut down and the smiling executioner cut off your genitals while you looked on and then made an incision in your stomach just below your belly button and while you writhed and tried to scream through your swollen tongue, he used a hook to draw out your intestines and then...he set them alight and burnt them while you watched, then you were butchered into four pieces; a quick slash and saw through a shoulder past the neck and then a quick slash through the midriff above the hip and then if you were lucky you had your head taken off at this point and then it was basically a messy chop job as they(the executioner had a helper for this task) quartered you and your bits and pieces were then put on display on various spikes around London and then buried in an unmarked grave with no religious rights.

 

This went on for days at a time as vengeance was wrought upon the regicides and the stench of the burning entrails was awful going by contemporary accounts.

 

Tough times if you chose incorrectly your political allies.

Interesting fact#   Downing St in London where the PM resides and other cabinet ministers is named after the chief of intelligence for Charles and his desire to enact vengeance on the men who signed the death warrant for his father Charles the First and the main man who was a turncoat and chased down his former friends and commanding officers and political masters and tricked/murdered/bribed/blackmailed these men throughout Europe and the Americas and bought them back to England to be tortured and butchered in this way. It is a fascinating period of history

[Saxon Hall]

@Addicted to music

These guys were the original GOT's . You were dragged out to your execution lashed to a sled with out wheels dragged behind a horse and you were upside down. Then you were given the chance to speak your final words and if they didn't like your final words they had drummers set up under your platform to drown out the words.

 

After you were finished, you were strung up and hung but not until you died(it wasn't till much later on that they used a drop to break your neck like a modern hanging), just until you were blue and swollen in the face and your tongue was swelling out through your mouth, then you were cut down and the smiling executioner cut off your genitals while you looked on and then made an incision in your stomach just below your belly button and while you writhed and tried to scream through your swollen tongue, he used a hook to draw out your intestines and then...he set them alight and burnt them while you watched, then you were butchered into four pieces; a quick slash and saw through a shoulder past the neck and then a quick slash through the midriff above the hip and then if you were lucky you had your head taken off at this point and then it was basically a messy chop job as they(the executioner had a helper for this task) quartered you and your bits and pieces were then put on display on various spikes around London and then buried in an unmarked grave with no religious rights.

 

This went on for days at a time as vengeance was wrought upon the regicides and the stench of the burning entrails was awful going by contemporary accounts.

 

Tough times if you chose incorrectly your political allies.

Interesting fact#   Downing St in London where the PM resides and other cabinet ministers is named after the chief of intelligence for Charles and his desire to enact vengeance on the men who signed the death warrant for his father Charles the First and the main man who was a turncoat and chased down his former friends and commanding officers and political masters and tricked/murdered/bribed/blackmailed these men throughout Europe and the Americas and bought them back to England to be tortured and butchered in this way. It is a fascinating period of history

It always amuses me when I hear people talking about the culture and gentility of the English.

There was an excellent programme a few years back called the History of Britain on the ABC.

After watching that you realised how barbaric and bloodthirsty they actually were.

Poor old William Wallace copped the full treatment at the hands of "The Hammer of the Scots"

On a different note a friend of mine often told me a story about his dear old dad inventing the nick name "Pig Iron Bob" .

He claims his dad had turned up at some town hall to heckle old Ming and this was soon after he authorised the sale of Iron to Japan.While old Ming was giving a thundering oration, he yelled out "They should call you "Pig Iron Bob". Anyway my friend developed a dislike for old Ming through his old man's ravings and he always swore he should be dug up and put on trial. I said what about if he was cremated, no problem he said, put his urn in"The Dock"

[Luc]

They certainly have culture and the gentility you speak of is more of a Victorian/Edwardian assumption than any thing else. It's our culture too as we were just a branch, an anabranch if you will of english history for the our first 150 years of the colonies and then Federation.

 

Nothing abnormal about those executions come torture at all and of course not confined just to England as it was then but throughout Europe: It's what you did, simple as that, it's only a step or two removed from state sanctioned executions of todays world.

[Ancientflatulence]

A little song for Eva's minder .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGw0IXFnSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Ancientflatulence]

They certainly have culture and the gentility you speak of is more of a Victorian/Edwardian assumption than any thing else. It's our culture too as we were just a branch, an anabranch if you will of english history for the our first 150 years of the colonies and then Federation.

 

Nothing abnormal about those executions come torture at all and of course not confined just to England as it was then but throughout Europe: It's what you did, simple as that, it's only a step or two removed from state sanctioned executions of todays world.

 

And of course ......... nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition !!!!

[PonyTail]

 

Dead people who are nearly alive.

 

Not a great topic for me, as my Dad is Alive and nearly Dead, a few days max.

 

Please think of others before posting topics such as this, It is hard enough for those in my situation and humor/satire does not help.

 

Ron.

 

Fixed typo.

Edited June 22, 2015 by PonyTail

[Luc]

@@PonyTail

 

                   Sorry for your situation, I can empathise as I just lost my mother three weeks ago after a long slow creeping death but I'm certainly not popping up a link like this thinking that a group of stories of mummification are in some way hurtful to people. It's a topical story and an interesting one that's all.

[djb]

@@Luc you read Pepys account of the round head general who sat on the commission to execute charles1 own dismemberment?

He was a Decemberist - no that's a band

Had a date in the name

You'll find it

I haven't opened the link either

[Luc]

@@djb

 

Just read a book a little while back about the great hunt for the regicides and the General you mention would of been in it, there were a lot of Generals executed.

[djb]

His disembowelment was going too slowly so he stood up and punched the executioner

Crowd laughed executioner hurried up

That was of course after the 1/2 hanging to almost but not quite strangle

Shouldn't you be out on a little yellow digger destroying natural habitat?

[Luc]

@djb  It's orange and I'm batching so no rush to do anything at the moment. Cappuccino time here and I'm engrossed in a bio of Charles Edward Stuart so i may not get out of this room today.

 

Yes it's a poor work ethic and it reflects badly on me I know but ...

[djb]

"The Littlele Yelloe Digger" was my geeks favourite picture book aged 3

We wore it out.

"The Fifth Monarchists or Fifth Monarchy Men were active from 1649 to 1660 during the Interregnum, following the English Civil Wars of the 17th century.[1] They took their name from a prophecy in the Book of Daniel that four ancient monarchies (Babylonian, Persian, Macedonian, and Roman) would precede the kingdom of Christ. They also referred to the year 1666 and its relationship to the biblical Number of the Beast indicating the end of earthly rule by carnal human beings. They were one of a number of nonconformist dissenting groups that emerged around this time."

[Guest]

Wow good link.

I'd seen a few of those before but lots of new ones there.

It's equally amazing how some were "prepared" by humans while others were preserved by nature.

[Luc]

@@djb

 

Yes , Fifth monarchists and Covenanters were not liked at all were they. The Covenanters are still a weird mob.

[ABG]

I've visited the Cripta Capuccini in Rome and the Catacombe dei Capuccini in Palermo (where the remains of Rosalia Lombardo can be found).  The crypt in Rome is fascinating and I highly recommend visiting if you're in Rome.  You need a much stronger stomach to visit the catacombs in Palermo as there's entire families and lots of young children.  In Rome, you'll only find the remains of the Capuccin monks.  Visiting the catacombs in Palermo is still an interesting experience, especially seeing how people dressed and the accouterments they used in day to day life.  A very confronting walk back into the past.

[Luc]

I've visited the Cripta Capuccini in Rome and the Catacombe dei Capuccini in Palermo (where the remains of Rosalia Lombardo can be found).  The crypt in Rome is fascinating and I highly recommend visiting if you're in Rome.  You need a much stronger stomach to visit the catacombs in Palermo as there's entire families and lots of young children.  In Rome, you'll only find the remains of the Capuccin monks.  Visiting the catacombs in Palermo is still an interesting experience, especially seeing how people dressed and the accouterments they used in day to day life.  A very confronting walk back into the past.

 

Just watched a show about the exact places you mention Andrew and confronting only if you have some kind of fear of bones and death, whatever the age may have been of the bones at death.

The fairly recent discovery in a cave in north west Scotland of tens upon tens of skeletons that date to the age before Bronze(can't remember) and the gruesome(if you view it that way) realisation that these bones were children and they'd had their skulls opened up like tin cans. The reason can only be guessed at and that most of the femurs were missing. Fascinating.

[ABG]

It's confronting in the same way as the ancient catacombs in Rome.  It's not so much a fear of death or bones (of which there are none in the catacombs in Rome).  It's the stark reality of how many children died.  Very, very different from today and as the parent of two, I'm glad that is the case.

[Kaynin]

...Very, very different from today...

 

 

It depends upon which part of the world you live, of course...

[Luc]

@Kaynin  Very true.

[Ancientflatulence]

@@Luc you read Pepys account of the round head general who sat on the commission to execute charles1 own dismemberment?

 

Accounts of Pepys bladder stone operation are horrifying enough let alone other dismemberments ........ they must have bred them tough back then ........

[Luc]

Accounts of Pepys bladder stone operation are horrifying enough let alone other dismemberments ........ they must have bred them tough back then ........

 

 

He had them mounted and displayed them on his mantelpiece. Interesting man wasn't he. Absolute balls of steel to have had that operation when he did and how he did.

 

We are indeed all wimps by comparison

[RankStranger]

The catacombs under Paris are an experience. From memory, in the late 1800s the city cemetaries were all overflowing so badly that they dug them all up and stacked them in the limestone quarries that were dug below the city.

 

Piles and piles of bones stacked around the walls of these tunnels under the city, thousands upon thousands of them, sometimes stacked in patterns and displays.

 

I didn't find it spooky - I'm not imaginative enough to be superstitious - but it was extremely fascinating and oddly even a little bit emotional at times.

[PonyTail]

@@PonyTail

 

                   Sorry for your situation, I can empathise as I just lost my mother three weeks ago after a long slow creeping death but I'm certainly not popping up a link like this thinking that a group of stories of mummification are in some way hurtful to people. It's a topical story and an interesting one that's all.

Hi Luc, I hope that you did not feel I was having a go at you as I was aware of your loss, which meant you missed out on your planned trip to Melbourne for the 30th of May GTG.

 

This topic is a fun one, it's just the timing for me, I was a bit over sensitive when I first replied.

 

Here is why:

 

Well, Today was not an easy one for my family, I spent it with my 88yo father from about 11:00Hrs, and then with my 90yo mother, my younger sister and her nearly 18yo son. My brother, who is two years younger than me could not be with us as he is in the ABI unit of Caufield hospital after suffering a hypoxic brain injury at the end of March this year.

 

My Father passed away at 13:12Hrs today, and we stayed with him until the funeral people picked him up at arround 18:45Hrs.

 

Please continue with the thread, the pics were fun to look at, much less distressing than seeing my father.

 

Ron.

[evil c]

Sorry to hear Ron, you have my utmost sympathy. 

Life is certainly a fleeting one it seems at times - just found out an old friend of my brother & I passed away a few months back.

The sad part is he came down from NSW to Melb. to say goodbye to all his old friends and unfortunately he couldn't get hold of either of us so feel cheated & sad not to have had the chance  one last time - often wondered how he was going, too young at 52. 

[ABG]

Sorry to hear your news Ron.  My condolences to you and your family.

 

It depends upon which part of the world you live, of course...

 

Absolutely.  Like many others, I take what we have here for granted.  Definitely not the case for most of the world's population.