evil c Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Anyone keen on the Roger Waters 45 4LP remaster ? Just put in a pre order with Acoustic Sounds. 3
tubularbells Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Could this album possibly be improved from the 2015 Analogue Productions version? 1
evil c Posted October 25, 2020 Author Posted October 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tubularbells said: Could this album possibly be improved from the 2015 Analogue Productions version? Well I intend to find out! One copy to play and another as an investment. Long wait unfortunately, with April next year likely release date - discounting delays.
Ooogh Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, evil c said: Anyone keen on the Roger Waters 45 4LP remaster ? Just put in a pre order with Acoustic Sounds. I don’t have a record player Evil. Are they going to do a 200g half speed CD? 2 2
tubularbells Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 @evil c To paraphrase a quote from Blade Runner "You've done a man's job sir" 1 1
evil c Posted October 25, 2020 Author Posted October 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Ooogh said: I don’t have a record player Evil. Are they going to do a 200g half speed CD? Be gone ye heretic peddler of blasphemy! 1 1
metal beat Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 More milking. I will wait for the 78rpm audiophool version. 4
tubularbells Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, metal beat said: More milking. I will wait for the 78rpm audiophool version. Well there still might be a tad more to lick off the master tape so lets send Evil into the void for the sake of the common man to report back .... 1
evil c Posted October 25, 2020 Author Posted October 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, metal beat said: More milking. I will wait for the 78rpm audiophool version. Moooo !!, always intrigued to hear a 45 version of ATD . 9 minutes ago, Tubularbells said: Well there still might be a tad more to lick off the master tape so lets send Evil into the void for the sake of the common man to report back .... Sure there will be a few other suckers!
metal beat Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Tubularbells said: Well there still might be a tad more to lick off the master tape so lets send Evil into the void for the sake of the common man to report back .... Yea, one of the most pretentious boring albums of muzak and sound effects, now spread over 4LP's. Can't wait YMMV Edited October 25, 2020 by metal beat 5
tubularbells Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, metal beat said: Yea, one of the most pretentious boring albums of muzak and sound effects, now spread over 4LP's. Can't wait YMMV Yep its horses for courses for sure as i'm certain most of the stuff I listen too would displease the majority of members here but alas I do love this album so will look forward to the opinions of others whether there's any improvements to be had or not. 2
frednork Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Also love this album (although not sure why unsolicited hate posts are warranted) but I never really understood the significance of the 2015 reissue as it is so different to the original in non important (seemingly to me) ways not typical of a remaster, more like a total remix, but wikipedia to the rescue, besides doing a 5.1 mix which apparently won an award or something, the real thing that made it worth doing for Roger was that he could include the samples from 2001 of HAL dying which were part of his original vision but permission was denied by Kubrick in an alleged *** for tat for PF not allowing him to use their music in Clockwork Orange. Once Kubrick died permission was given and I can imagine Roger doing it just to stick it up Kubrick!! Gotta love that prickly bastard Rog... 3
Guest Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 5 hours ago, frednork said: (although not sure why unsolicited hate posts are warranted) They're not. It's just metal beat, being, metal beat. 1 1
Tweaky Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 11 hours ago, metal beat said: Yea, one of the most pretentious boring albums of muzak and sound effects, now spread over 4LP's. Can't wait YMMV If you ever met the guys in Pink Floyd you'd probably come away with the impression that most of them were of a natural pretentious personality anyway, not in a nasty way, but they did have a ever present air of haughtiness about them, Walters & Gilmour being the main ones, Wright could show this trait as well to a lesser extent. I sort of put it down to a generational thing No surprise it also can be sensed in some of the music, IMHO that goes for Gilmours last solo effort as well, although how much that can be put down to Gilmours wife writing the lyrics it's hard to tell
frednork Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tweaky said: If you ever met the guys in Pink Floyd you'd probably come away with the impression that most of them were of a natural pretentious personality anyway, not in a nasty way, but they did have a ever present air of haughtiness about them, Walters & Gilmour being the main ones, Wright could show this trait as well to a lesser extent. I sort of put it down to a generational thing No surprise it also can be sensed in some of the music, IMHO that goes for Gilmours last solo effort as well, although how much that can be put down to Gilmours wife writing the lyrics it's hard to tell Interesting, I have heard reports ofpeople that have worked with Floyd and Waters saying it was a torturous experience. The other thing I saw on the wiki was the lineup for the album. Never realised Jeff Porcaro drummed on it. Personnel[edit] Roger Waters – vocals (all tracks except 1), bass guitar (tracks 2 and 13), synthesisers (tracks 2 and 4), acoustic guitar (tracks 11 and 14), twelve-string guitar (track 5) Patrick Leonard – keyboards (all tracks except 6 and 7), percussion programming (track 1), choir arrangement (tracks 2, 9-11 and 13), speech (track 4), acoustic piano (tracks 11 and 13), Hammond organ (track 5), synthesisers (tracks 5 and 13) Jeff Beck – guitar (tracks 1, 2, 5 (2015 reissue only), 10-14) Randy Jackson – bass guitar (tracks 2 and 9) Graham Broad – drums (all tracks except 1, 5, 11 and 13), percussion (tracks 6 and 7) Luis Conte – percussion (all tracks except 2, 5, 9, 11, 13 and 14) Geoff Whitehorn – guitar (tracks 2, 8, 10 and 14) Andy Fairweather Low – guitar (tracks 2, 6-9, 11 and 12), vocals (tracks 6 and 7) Tim Pierce – guitar (tracks 2, 5, 9 and 12) B.J. Cole – pedal steel guitar (tracks 3 and 4) Steve Lukather – guitar (tracks 3, 4 and Rick DiFonso – guitar (tracks 3 and 4) Bruce Gaitsch – guitar (tracks 3 and 4) Jimmy Johnson – bass (all tracks except 1, 2, 5, 9 and 11) Brian Macleod – snare (tracks 3 and 4), hi-hat (tracks 3 and 4) John Pierce – saxophone (track 13) Denny Fongheiser – drums (track 5) Steve Sidwell – cornet (tracks 6 and 7) John Patitucci – bass guitar (track 11) Guo Yi & the Peking Brothers – dulcimer, lute, zhen, oboe, bass (track 11) John "Rabbit" Bundrick – Hammond organ (track 12) Jeff Porcaro – drums (track 13) Marv Albert – commentary (track 4) Katie Kissoon – vocals (tracks 2, 8, 9, 12 and 14) Doreen Chanter – vocals (tracks 2, 8, 9, 12 and 14) N'Dea Davenport – vocals (track 2) Natalie Jackson – vocals (tracks 2 and 5) P.P. Arnold – vocals (tracks 3, 4 and 10) Lynn Fiddmont-Linsey – vocals (track 5) Jessica Leonard – vocals (track Jordan Leonard – vocals (track Don Henley – vocals (track 11) Jon Joyce – vocals (track 13) Stan Farber – vocals (track 13) (credited as Stan Laurel) Jim Haas – vocals (track 13) Rita Coolidge – vocals (track 14) Alf Razzell – speech (tracks 1 and 14) and on the gearslutz site someone has posted a comment from Pat Leonard the producer regarding the process of making the album shown below. From Mr. Leonard.. Hi Teddy, Amused to death huh? I like it too, but the making of that record had little to do with "how it was recorded" . The truth is, it was nearly every recording technique, signal path, monitors. And many consoles, tons of outboard gear (and none at all). it was mixed for 6 months with multiple rooms going. That record was about Mr R Waters vision and my job was to help him realize it, however we got there. So, all paths were taken. We did mix using a dead technology called "Q SOUND", and thats a big part of the overall affect of the record, but you have to sit in the center to hear it so it has it draw backs. Read between the lines grasshopper, the answer you seek is there. Amused to death was about shear stamina and perseverance, (it took two years) and I'm extremely proud to have done it. I think it's quite an amazing piece of work. But as i said, it had little to nothing to do with the studio. It was all done with highly critical ears, good taste, a good deal of imagination and creativity, and lots of time... lots of time. Sadly, records like that one won't be made anymore for multiple reasons. Mostly, how we currently define creativity. That's a big problem. Remember that ATD was pre Pro Tools. Or rather; Pro Tools was around in some early form, but certainly not yet considered a recording device worthy of putting ones heart to. (and the old grouch rears his head). We had to play the music, make the sonic choices and get it right in real time; as it couldn't be "fixed" later. So, if you couldn't alter the music once it was "on tape", what would be different? Be honest and enjoy the process. That translates. Sage guidance complete. Regards, 4
Tweaky Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 Roger can be extremely pedantic, which is the cause of most of the friction. Even in down time, if you'd ever see him play Snooker on a full sized table you'll noticed how focused and intense he is, totally absorbed in the task and intent to win.....he's bloody good as well, nearly Pro standard.
aussievintage Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, frednork said: We did mix using a dead technology called "Q SOUND", and thats a big part of the overall affect of the record That's one of the few "gimmicks" I have heard that was so evident. I actually really like the spread Q sound gave this album. (I think it's the only Q sound disc I have)
Tweaky Posted October 25, 2020 Posted October 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, aussievintage said: That's one of the few "gimmicks" I have heard that was so evident. I actually really like the spread Q sound gave this album. (I think it's the only Q sound disc I have) STING had a Q sound album out Soul Cages. I actually thought Q sound was pretty good, although the processing involved changing everything so it is phase with everything else took ages to do it's thing. Plus I think the whole thing ended up costing too much to do, which no record company likes spending money on unless absolutely necessary.
evil c Posted October 25, 2020 Author Posted October 25, 2020 54 minutes ago, aussievintage said: That's one of the few "gimmicks" I have heard that was so evident. I actually really like the spread Q sound gave this album. (I think it's the only Q sound disc I have) It certainly is the benchmark standard, for demonstrating the amazing aural properties of Q sound. The opening Bill Hubbard track with the dog barking outside to your immediate right, is my go to calibration tool for adjusting speakers placement! 39 minutes ago, Tweaky said: STING had a Q sound album out Soul Cages. I actually thought Q sound was pretty good, although the processing involved changing everything so it is phase with everything else took ages to do it's thing. Plus I think the whole thing ended up costing too much to do, which no record company likes spending money on unless absolutely necessary. Soul Cages is good, however inconsistent with the levels of Q sound used on certain tracks. And a lot less spectacular overall. I have a copy of Murray Attaway's - In Thrall that also employs it but at a similar standard to Soul Cages. 1
Hergest Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 I've always found it a struggle to bother putting on record 2 of my original album so can't imagine getting through 8 sides of it all. Sonic masterpiece for sure but I'm afraid I'm firmly in the camp that thinks Amused To Death is a load of old tosh. It's a shame as I love Roger's other work, both solo and with Floyd. I actually wonder how much better if at all the 45rpm album will be. I've got What God Wants on a 45rpm 12 inch single from when it was first issued and sonically it's brilliant but so is the 33rpm album version 1
aussievintage Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Hergest said: It's a shame as I love Roger's other work, both solo and with Floyd. That's interesting, as I don't find it all that different. To me it seems similar to other stuff, like Pros and cons of hitchhiking, for example. First time I played Amused to Death, there was no mistaking the Pink Floydishness still hanging in there also. 1
frednork Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, aussievintage said: First time I played Amused to Death, there was no mistaking the Pink Floydishness still hanging in there also. Well , Roger would claim he is "Pink" 1
frednork Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 19 hours ago, evil c said: Anyone keen on the Roger Waters 45 4LP remaster ? Just put in a pre order with Acoustic Sounds. Just how much is this fantastic black plastic investment opportunity?
evil c Posted October 26, 2020 Author Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, frednork said: Just how much is this fantastic black plastic investment opportunity? $125 U.S. ($175 Aust.) Plus freight. Much higher prices on eBay. Edited October 26, 2020 by evil c
jeromelang Posted October 26, 2020 Posted October 26, 2020 Q-sound is so fun! Especially nearfield listening... 1
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