Audiome Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 29/12/2018 at 11:13 PM, Hydrology said: Trying out a Gold Note PH-10 at home. So far loving it! Add in the external power supply and believe me u will be happier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerglide Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, KO2 said: now I’ve got an upgrade itch. Try some different carts first, you can always keep them if you do get the 10 Edited December 30, 2018 by Powerglide 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO2 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Powerglide said: Try some different carts first, you can always keep them if you do get the 10 Thank you, I’ve heard that using a different brand cart on a Rega deck that I will need to adjust the height of the arm, I want to try the Rega apheta 2 to see if it will work on the p3 arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 57 minutes ago, KO2 said: Thank you, I’ve heard that using a different brand cart on a Rega deck that I will need to adjust the height of the arm, I want to try the Rega apheta 2 to see if it will work on the p3 arm. Wise move! AIUI, Rega arms don't offer the ability to change VTA ... unless you buy a third-party shim set which goes under the base of the pillar. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerglide Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 @KO2 It's a must do, 9 out of 10 people on this site using a Rega deck won't be using a Rega cart, they're not that bad just not that good. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but all Rega carts are the same height - 14mm and their tables/arms are set to accommodate, I have an older planner 3 with the single mount pivot hole, adjustable VTA units are available, not sure on adjustable for the P3 but Rega do static spaces http://www.rega.co.uk/arm-height-adjustment-spacer.html just deduct 14mm from your new cart height to work out the correct spacer, super easy to install. The beauty of adjustable VTA is you can trust your ears over the maths, here is where I'll get slammed by the geometry professors, I believe the accuracy of a level tone arm has the least impact on SQ over all the other settings. Trust your ears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Powerglide said: The beauty of adjustable VTA is you can trust your ears over the maths, here is where I'll get slammed by the geometry professors, I believe the accuracy of a level tone arm has the least impact on SQ over all the other settings. Adjustable VTA is an absolute necessity AFAIAC. Even Linn - who are without doubt the chief proponent of "don't mess with it, lad - go to your dealer" - have adjustable VTA on their arms. However, I would say that a 'level tone arm' is not actually the optimum for some carts. My Grado Reference Reference preferred a slightly downwards tilt towards the pillar. But IMO, it has a significant impact on SQ. Quote Trust your ears Absof'inglutely! Andy Edited December 31, 2018 by andyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO2 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Powerglide said: @KO2 It's a must do, 9 out of 10 people on this site using a Rega deck won't be using a Rega cart, they're not that bad just not that good. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but all Rega carts are the same height - 14mm and their tables/arms are set to accommodate, I have an older planner 3 with the single mount pivot hole, adjustable VTA units are available, not sure on adjustable for the P3 but Rega do static spaces http://www.rega.co.uk/arm-height-adjustment-spacer.html just deduct 14mm from your new cart height to work out the correct spacer, super easy to install. The beauty of adjustable VTA is you can trust your ears over the maths, here is where I'll get slammed by the geometry professors, I believe the accuracy of a level tone arm has the least impact on SQ over all the other settings. Trust your ears Thank you, what will be the best mc cart for the p3’s? Since I already have the aria as my phono stage and I’ve read somewhere that the apheta 2 is the perfect match for the aria, the only concern I have, is the apheta a perfect match for the p3? I have been searching the web to see if anyone have upgraded their p3 to an apheta2 cart and could not find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McP Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 12 hours ago, andyr said: Adjustable VTA is an absolute necessity AFAIAC. Even Linn - who are without doubt the chief proponent of "don't mess with it, lad - go to your dealer" - have adjustable VTA on their arms. However, I would say that a 'level tone arm' is not actually the optimum for some carts. My Grado Reference Reference preferred a slightly downwards tilt towards the pillar. But IMO, it has a significant impact on SQ. Absof'inglutely! Andy VTAF Vertical Tracking Angle on the Fly https://www.vtaf.com/vtafdescription.html available for many tonearms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ian McP said: VTAF Vertical Tracking Angle on the Fly https://www.vtaf.com/vtafdescription.html available for many tonearms! Very cool, Ian. A must for Rega arm owners! The Graham 2.2 I had on my LP12 had VTA-on-the-fly (it was the main reason I bought that arm!). And a couple of years ago Duc upgraded my 12" 'Univector' with his VTA-on-the-fly kit. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mloutfie Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 This literally happen to me yesterday. Moved one of my cartridge to another arm. Had a squashed in imaging where I know it should have been much better. I started with level and lift slightly which was ok normally but since I moved from 10 inch to 12 inch tonearm I had to lift it much higher than normal to get the imaging I used to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ian McP said: VTAF Vertical Tracking Angle on the Fly https://www.vtaf.com/vtafdescription.html available for many tonearms! Something all decent Rega arms should have. Reminds me of the VTA adjustment on my SME. Pricing look competitive as well. Edited January 1, 2019 by Wimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerglide Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 These guys make some good stuff at a fraction of the cost. I believe this one suits the OP'ers arm http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/tonearms/new-rega-3-point-vta-adjuster/ I'm using their single mount on an RB600 with easy install and adjustment http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk/tonearms/vta-arm-adjuster/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mloutfie Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Blast from the past dynavector 17d2 MK2 with diamond cantilever. Haven't used this in a while cos it's a pain to setup. Sure it doesn't have the treble extension like a modern lyra does but it sure has amazing tone and midrange. Its the first time I've put in in my 12 inch jelco never realised how light this cartridge is. Have to put the weight quite close to the pivot base 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mloutfie said: Blast from the past dynavector 17d2 MK2 with diamond cantilever. Haven't used this in a while cos it's a pain to setup. Sure it doesn't have the treble extension like a modern lyra does but it sure has amazing tone and midrange. Its the first time I've put in in my 12 inch jelco never realised how light this cartridge is. Have to put the weight quite close to the pivot base But the c/weight close to the pivot base is the best place for it to be! (Minimum inertia) Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mloutfie Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, andyr said: But the c/weight close to the pivot base is the best place for it to be! (Minimum inertia) Andy Maybe it's meant to be then my other cartridge tends to be on the heavier side that's why I found it odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Y Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) On 13/01/2019 at 2:38 PM, andyr said: But the c/weight close to the pivot base is the best place for it to be! (Minimum inertia) Andy On 13/01/2019 at 2:49 PM, mloutfie said: Maybe it's meant to be then my other cartridge tends to be on the heavier side that's why I found it odd 'Inertia' (Moment of Inertia) will be lower closer to the pivot, as distance (of c'wt) will be less & Inertia is proportional to radial distance . However, in practice we know that what's actually important is the Resonant Freq of the tonearm + cartridge combo, so that at lowest useful audio freqs, the tonearm appears as a solid object, as far as the cartridge is concerned. Cheers, Owen Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/ Edited January 14, 2019 by Owen Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Owen Y said: Actually, 'Inertia' (Moment of Inertia) will be lower closer to the pivot, as distance (of c'wt) will be less & Inertia is proportional to radial distance . It's proportional to that distance squared, hence it's better to half twice the mass at half the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Y Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, aussievintage said: It's proportional to that distance squared, hence it's better to half twice the mass at half the distance. Indeed, but as said, it's irrelevant anyway as, at the lowest audio freqs that we are interested in, the tonearm & cartridge should appear as solid (infinite mass) to the stylus if properly set up. Cheers, Owen Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Y Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Some argue that, with greater c'wt distance, there is less variation in tracking force when a tonearm is tracking warped records (even when the c'wt is located optimally at stylus level). But we digress.... Cheers, Owen Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike A Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Too much talk and not enough cartridges, this has been on my TT for a couple of months: 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 15/01/2019 at 4:53 AM, Mike A said: Too much talk and not enough cartridges, this has been on my TT for a couple of months: I find it an odd looking cart, but it's how it sounds that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike A Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Yeah a bit odd, and quite big, and quite green, but it does sound very very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audiome Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Mike A said: Yeah a bit odd, and quite big, and quite green, but it does sound very very good! May I ask what loading impedance u had on this gem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike A Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 It is set at 100 ohms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just completed - 1962 Denon valve phono stage with matching SUT's built for Denon 103. Internals updated to a current Audio Note design using their caps among others. Running in now & sound spectacular. A rare & special piece bought back to life 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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