Buffle Posted May 9, 2019 Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) Edit: not a thread that’s likely to be productive or conducive to a thriving scene. Edited May 9, 2019 by Buffle
andyr Posted May 9, 2019 Posted May 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: Yes. The people we like to feel superior to with our super duper hi rez digital and uber power cords and esoteric tubes. You know, the fools with no taste who just listen to low quality Spotify streams on their iPhones. They just listen to music C'mon, Trevor ... those who "just listen to low quality Spotify streams on their iPhones" are still listening to music - it's just that they have NFI that their music can sound better! Those of us who have experienced increased levels of musical enjoyment because we have spent our hard-earned on better-sounding components, realise this. But then, of course, we are on the merry-go-round! Andy 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted May 9, 2019 Volunteer Posted May 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, andyr said: it's just that they have NFI that their music can sound better! Perhaps they do... perhaps they don’t care or have other priorities. 3
davewantsmoore Posted May 9, 2019 Posted May 9, 2019 17 hours ago, Tony ray said: Does any one listen to the music? I suppose that's what some people do with their speakers.... seems strange though. /s 1 1
Guest scumbag Posted May 9, 2019 Posted May 9, 2019 Why is this waste of time thread not in the "great audio debate" section where all the other waste of time threads are meant to go?
davewantsmoore Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, scumbag said: Why is this waste of time thread not in the "great audio debate" section where all the other waste of time threads are meant to go? Because: Quote what are some of the weird things you've been advised or read that will somehow make your music sound better?
davewantsmoore Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 11:54 AM, colinm1 said: I was told once that if you smoked a joint before listening to the hi if it would be , a very cheap upgrade,compared to the improvement I wish.
Guest scumbag Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: Because: Well I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Dave, look at the name of the title. It is another thread started to create a heated debate on this Forum. It has no place in the "General HIFI discussion". It should be in the Great HIFI Debate. Or better still, it should not have been started at all as it contributes nothing towards this Forum in general. It is threads like this that are taking this place down a hole that I and a lot of people are not interested in going.
Guest scumbag Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, scumbag said: Well I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Dave, look at the name of the title. It is another thread started to create a heated debate on this Forum. It has no place in the "General HIFI discussion". It should be in the Great HIFI Debate. Or better still, it should not have been started at all as it contributes nothing towards this Forum in general. It is threads like this that are taking this place down a hole that I and a lot of people are not interested in going. Though, on the other hand it does give me an opportunity to identify people to add to my ignored-user list so I guess that's a positive. Edited May 10, 2019 by scumbag
davewantsmoore Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, scumbag said: It has no place in the "General HIFI discussion". It should be in the Great HIFI Debate So report the post and see how you go. To be blunt, I find your post more concerning and off topic, than the categorisation of the thread.... but it takes all types I guess.
davewantsmoore Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, scumbag said: Though, on the other hand it does give me an opportunity to identify people to add to my ignored-user list so I guess that's a positive. There you go! Live and let live.
audiofeline Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 23 hours ago, PauliD said: I was looking at the isoacoustic feet for my speakers as I have seen the demo video on the stands for bookshelves. I found my way to a video on youtube for some Townsend Audio speaker isolation platform for floorstanders. When the video started talking about the evils of the inherent/natural vibrations of the earth being detrimental to sound it just went full marketing BS. Does that mean I need a anti earth vibration seat that is insync with the speaker isolation platforms to really hear 'true' and 'uncoloured' sound as the 'musician intended'? Don't get me wrong I think speaker isolation works as I have wood floors with a largish cavity underneath. The less energy going into the floor the better. But I did a it the bunnings DIY way I heard a demo of speaker feet at the hifi show (can't remember the brand). The speakers were demo'd without the feet, then with the feet. There was a dramatic improvement. But as far as I'm aware, the only natural vibration of the earth to be worried about is when you experience an earthquake, and I don't think that the sound quality from my speakers would be a priority at that moment. I'm curious about your Bunnings solution, I've been thinking of some paving slabs on top of our softwood floorboards. Is that what you did, and was it worth it?
Irek Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 The isoacoustics works well in my system, great upgrade. Keep in mind that they have hifi (more expensive) options and professional options (more wallet friendly).
cyclingsteve Posted May 10, 2019 Author Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, audiofeline said: I heard a demo of speaker feet at the hifi show (can't remember the brand). The speakers were demo'd without the feet, then with the feet. There was a dramatic improvement. But as far as I'm aware, the only natural vibration of the earth to be worried about is when you experience an earthquake, and I don't think that the sound quality from my speakers would be a priority at that moment. I'm curious about your Bunnings solution, I've been thinking of some paving slabs on top of our softwood floorboards. Is that what you did, and was it worth it? Another post had links to the Bunnings site for some vibration dampeners. The price was great so im going to give that a go as well. My TT is just sitting on the wooden unit so some dampening material should be good. Dont forget to put some felt o the bottom of the paving slabs so you dont scratch your floorboards!
Guest Muon N' Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) I found Bamboo boards on top of the Whites anti-vibration blocks better than paving slabs, the spiked speaker or speaker stands on the Bamboo boards, the Whites blocks are significant in this but the Bamboo boards take things a bit further in the right direction when added to the mix (Same for under the turntable.) If the speakers/stands are not spiked just use the Whites blocks. Edited May 10, 2019 by Muon N'
PauliD Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 @audiofeline I have used the vibration dampeners like cyclingsteve mentioned under a 40x40cm paver (~10kg) I got from bunnings place in a triangle (3 small pieces) to put my sub on. I also put 3 pads in a opposite facing triangle between the paver and sub. Using a seismic app (seismograph, its free) on my iPhone this really cut down the energy going into my floor and tightened up the bass a lot, but I did lose a little volume which was easily fixed with a tad more on the gain. With my floorstanders I did go with a weight on top like you mentioned. I thought the Kef Q900 could do with a bit more weight/downward force so I got some marble cut to size to sit on top, about ~15kg each. This really helped in resisting movement back and forth as well as side to side, again test with the app and a physical nudge. I know thats not bunnings but $100 each which I think looks good and protects the top of the speakers. As for the bottom of the speakers I experimented with spikes into furniture coasters with and without added marble tops. Then no spikes but the spike brackets on 10mm thick vibration pads and marble. Lastly some thick and heavy glass panels from some old side tables with 3mm thick small squares on each corner on the floor and then the spikes on top of that. This last combination with the marble tops sounds the best. I was really surprised at clarity gained in the mid to high frequency. I can PM you a pic if your really interested, let me know. Even the 3mm thick anti vibration pads work in removing energy going into the floor and measured with the app. BTW I am still on the look out for GAIA III in the classifieds. I was too slow on some that appeared recently. I definitely can hear the improvement in some added weight and ani-vibration on my floors. Good luck! 1
cyclingsteve Posted May 10, 2019 Author Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Muon N' said: I found Bamboo boards on top of the Whites anti-vibration blocks better than paving slabs, the spiked speaker or speaker stands on the Bamboo boards, the Whites blocks are significant in this but the Bamboo boards take things a bit further in the right direction when added to the mix (Same for under the turntable.) If the speakers/stands are not spiked just use the Whites blocks. @Muon N' did you get the bamboo boards from Bunnings as well ? Cheers
Astrosound Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 I thought this thread is just for humor, but now it seems it is not. Maybe some photos of such improvements put recently in would help discussion. Cheers
Guest Muon N' Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 18 hours ago, cyclingsteve said: @Muon N' did you get the bamboo boards from Bunnings as well ? Cheers I did, but they no longer have them, they were clearance stock at the time. But Ikea have better ones (thicker) and are only 20 bucks each, they also make for damn good cutting boards also :) The ones under my speakers are about 12.3 cm thick, the Ikea one are about 35mm think....I also have a 50mm think one that resided under my TT while I still had one, that was from Cheap as Chips when they had an on-line store, but no longer. I have used the Ikea ones in combination with the anti-vibration blocks in friends systems giving good results also. I did have a 1m x 1m sheet of the anti-vibration stuff when Bunnings were clearing them, I use a piece of that under the 5mm block that my table resided on. Difficult to see the blocks under the boards in my system because of the carpet, but they are there.
audiofeline Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the "Bunnings" replies, I recall the thread that was mentioned. I've tried the Whites anti-vibration blocks. A substantial improvement on the speakers sitting on the floorboards. I was able to improve on that by removing the vibration pads and using spikes. It does appear that putting a substantial base is worthwhile, I will keep it on my list of thing to do. And it appears that this tweak sits in the "truth" box, and not the "snake oil" box! Edited May 10, 2019 by audiofeline
Guest Muon N' Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 I have a cement slab (carpeted, the result was similar using the anti-vibration blocks with the Bamboo. I did originally have cement pavers, but I prefer the Bamboo + blocks combo' I had spikes in each situation, same with those two mate's, went from spiked speakers on 1: sandstone pavers, and 2 on concrete pavers, both preferred the outcome with the Bamboo + blocks. Maybe individual taste/speakers will dictate preferences Personally I did at first thought I had less bass, but it was just that it was much more articulate and less boomy.
PauliD Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) I think added photos may increase the humour level for some Edited May 10, 2019 by PauliD 2
Luc Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, PauliD said: I think added photos may increase the humour level for some We all live within strictures and have to conform to them. For peace at home... Your wee fig is looking good and is there a window to the left as we look at it? If so give the thing a 180 degree twist and some osmocote indoor. A bit of slow release and a twist of sunlights direction will do wonders as will 10 minutes outside under rain if you get some. So so much better than any tapwater. Can't comment on the speakers. 1
Pops110 Posted May 10, 2019 Posted May 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Luc said: We all live within strictures and have to conform to them. For peace at home... Your wee fig is looking good and is there a window to the left as we look at it? If so give the thing a 180 degree twist and some osmocote indoor. A bit of slow release and a twist of sunlights direction will do wonders as will 10 minutes outside under rain if you get some. So so much better than any tapwater. Can't comment on the speakers. Hey @Luc can you advise what my wee plant needs. I know my room sounds a lot better and looks a lot better since the missus put plants everywhere.
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