IMDave Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, franin said: Just the base model alone after the conversion rate and taxes could put it close to $10kAU Dont get me wrong. I certainly am not "complaining " about the price. Madshi has been contributing to the community for over a decade, so he's entitled to charge what he feels is reasonable. I'm sure it costs a packet to produce. I'm just sad that I don't have that sort of money to spend on what is one of my many hobbies.
franin Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 Dont get me wrong. I certainly am not "complaining " about the price. Madshi has been contributing to the community for over a decade, so he's entitled to charge what he feels is reasonable. I'm sure it costs a packet to produce. I'm just sad that I don't have that sort of money to spend on what is one of my many hobbies.Dave don’t worry mate I’m in the same boat after my last purchase. I would love to see a MADVR but I will have to sit on the bench for this one. Unless there able to make the base model $5kAU then I “might” be able get some funds together but close to $10k my mrs will make me sleep in the car. 1
cwt Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 If Madshi could delete a few functions[ like scaling and the 3d lut cms ] for the projector to handle it may be a bit more palatable pricewise ? That's whats everyone really wants - great HDR bit mapping - otherwise its too similar function wise to a lumagen - but likely superior.. On the other hand it wouldn't have been optimal for my 2 display system anyway with only 1 hdmi input/output that goes after the pre pro .. The tariff situation would not have helped either . This news put the JVC's frame by frame bitmapping update in a good light - for certain N series that is .. 1
franin Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 If Madshi could delete a few functions[ like scaling and the 3d lut cms ] for the projector to handle it may be a bit more palatable pricewise ? That's whats everyone really wants - great HDR bit mapping - otherwise its too similar function wise to a lumagen - but likely superior.. On the other hand it wouldn't have been optimal for my 2 display system anyway with only 1 hdmi input/output that goes after the pre pro .. The tariff situation would not have helped either . This news put the JVC's frame by frame bitmapping update in a good light - for certain N series that is .. I agree 100% what JVC is doing for its customers is awesome. I’m hoping Panasonic could add that function to its players as well.
cwt Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 1 minute ago, franin said: I agree 100% what JVC is doing for its customers is awesome. I’m hoping Panasonic could add that function to its players as well. That would certainly make me give up my ubd 900 Frank
franin Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 That would certainly make me give up my ubd 900 Frank [emoji4] Since they work closely with JVC this might give them an idea to add it in. Let’s hope they add it in mate give you a good excuse to upgrade 1
Davo1972 Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 I was keen on the Envy, but the retail prices announced are insane, completely, and utterly insane! I could spend the delta in money for what they're asking on things which would make a much, much, much bigger improvement for my home theatre than what the Envy would give. Considering I'll get frame by frame DTM on my DLA-N7 for nothing with a simple firmware upgrade, a US$6-10K investment on an Envy is absolute madness for me (and yes I know it'll give me more than that, but free vs US$10k is a pretty big margin) . I could build an absolute BONKERS, BONKERS, BONKERS gaming PC for those prices!!!!! If I want MadVR for my home theatre I'll be building a HTPC at a many, many, many thousands of dollars saving compared to what the Envy costs, inconvenience of setup and maintenance be damned. Seriously I think Madshi and MadVR LLC has misread the market on their release (and I say this as someone who generally has no problem spending big dollars on nice things, see avatar pic). I think I'll be building a HTPC with MadVR for my home theatre now to show him the price he is asking for the Envy is absolutely stupid.
poppybob Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 Dave don’t worry mate I’m in the same boat after my last purchase. I would love to see a MADVR but I will have to sit on the bench for this one. Unless there able to make the base model $5kAU then I “might” be able get some funds together but close to $10k my mrs will make me sleep in the car.I’m hearing ya. Ha ha. 1
IMDave Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 As Madshi has said in the AVS thread, making a DIY HTPC will always be cheaper. But remember the Envy was created to fill a gap for those that didn't want to build and more importantly learn how to use a HTPC. I don't think you can compare DIY to a proprietary consumer product, especially considering: "Not to forget all kinds of license fees (e.g. for HDCP), costs for warranty repairs, support costs, CE certification, costs for legal stuff, accounting, designers etc etc etc. It's frightening how many types of costs add up to what starts as a seemingly modest amount of hardware parts." 2
franin Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 With this Madvr excitement going on I’m curious to see it in action. Ive noticed some people build their own pc. Now I’m a Noob when it comes to all this but are the Pc fitted with 4k players ? I went to go and ask the local PC shop and asked them about HTPC and Madvr in which I got a blank stare. So where does one start ? Is their anybody in WA who know how to build the correct PC ?Thanks
vong Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 2 hours ago, franin said: With this Madvr excitement going on I’m curious to see it in action. Ive noticed some people build their own pc. Now I’m a Noob when it comes to all this but are the Pc fitted with 4k players ? I went to go and ask the local PC shop and asked them about HTPC and Madvr in which I got a blank stare. So where does one start ? Is their anybody in WA who know how to build the correct PC ? Thanks Wouldn't a mid-high end 'gaming' pc be the go, use whatever case you want? I built a HTPC years ago with a i5 4690, GTX 1060 and 16GB ram in a silverstone GD-07 then installed MPC-BE and Madvr.
franin Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 Wouldn't a mid-high end 'gaming' pc be the go, use whatever case you want? I built a HTPC years ago with a i5 4690, GTX 1060 and 16GB ram in a silverstone GD-07 then installed MPC-BE and Madvr.Hi there as my previous post I’m unsure in what to do but thanks anyway
Neg99 Posted September 15, 2019 Posted September 15, 2019 Hi there as my previous post I’m unsure in what to do but thanks anyway Best guide is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2364113-guide-building-4k-htpc-madvr.htmlEverything you need. Obviously being a US site the buying recommendations, pricing etc will all be wrong but use that as a guide and then source the parts. Not sure about WA but places like PC Case Gear, Umart, MSY are your friend but you’ll need to put things together yourself (plenty of good guides online on that and it’s good fun).Also bear in mind there’s a fair bit of complexity that comes with a HTPC. I gave up on them after several years and now run a dedicated server (that’s quite stable) and things like Apple TVs and NVidia shields around the house. My wife and kids just have 0 tolerance for tinkering and problems. Most of the issues come from the software side of the fence, Windows just isn’t built for this purpose and you will have issues.That said, if you’re patient enough, have a backup plan and want the best result (and don’t want to spend what looks like 10k for an Envy) then it’s your best bet.
franin Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 Best guide is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2364113-guide-building-4k-htpc-madvr.htmlEverything you need. Obviously being a US site the buying recommendations, pricing etc will all be wrong but use that as a guide and then source the parts. Not sure about WA but places like PC Case Gear, Umart, MSY are your friend but you’ll need to put things together yourself (plenty of good guides online on that and it’s good fun).Also bear in mind there’s a fair bit of complexity that comes with a HTPC. I gave up on them after several years and now run a dedicated server (that’s quite stable) and things like Apple TVs and NVidia shields around the house. My wife and kids just have 0 tolerance for tinkering and problems. Most of the issues come from the software side of the fence, Windows just isn’t built for this purpose and you will have issues.That said, if you’re patient enough, have a backup plan and want the best result (and don’t want to spend what looks like 10k for an Envy) then it’s your best bet.Thank you for your reply. Will look into it but I will wait to see what madvr will come at in Aus before I take the plunge.
davewantsmoore Posted September 16, 2019 Posted September 16, 2019 It's easy to underestimate how $$$$ a product like this (low volumes) would be to create.
poppybob Posted October 3, 2019 Posted October 3, 2019 With this Madvr excitement going on I’m curious to see it in action. Ive noticed some people build their own pc. Now I’m a Noob when it comes to all this but are the Pc fitted with 4k players ? I went to go and ask the local PC shop and asked them about HTPC and Madvr in which I got a blank stare. So where does one start ? Is their anybody in WA who know how to build the correct PC ?Thanks Do know a guy who built one for me years ago, however he is hard to track down and so busy doing installs. Having said that I’m interested and if gets an order for 2 might sway him. He built one for me 10or 12 years ago and about 5K then. Not sure what prices would be now and I remember it being very temperamental and not being overly savvy with PC myself found it overwhelming.
roh008 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 When focussing On 16/09/2019 at 11:33 AM, franin said: Thank you for your reply. Will look into it but I will wait to see what madvr will come at in Aus before I take the plunge. MadVR is mainly GPU dependant so a decen 2060 should be sufficient to do what you need it to do. The biggest question is if you are upscaling low def content to 4K that is where you need a large amount of GPU power. so 720 -> 4K is actually quite a big step up. Regarding the Envy pricing, sadly I believe they missed the mark and reading on the AVSForum you'll see similar comments. I've done a build for around $1500 + install however, you could get this and be done https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/492717 I'm hoping the Epson 9400 drops a little in price then I'll be building my HTPC.
Mobe1969 Posted January 6, 2020 Posted January 6, 2020 BTW, regards setting up a MADVR HTPC, can you do it and run it as just a hdmi processor for MadVR? Eg you are only using it as you would a Madvr eny for HDMI in out processing?
Satanica Posted January 7, 2020 Posted January 7, 2020 23 hours ago, Mobe1969 said: BTW, regards setting up a MADVR HTPC, can you do it and run it as just a hdmi processor for MadVR? Eg you are only using it as you would a Madvr eny for HDMI in out processing? Hmmm, I don't think so.
Mobe1969 Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 Anyone else wondering why there isn't some sort of intermediate device? Eg something simpler, requiring a lot less processing power and $$ that can do auto tone mapping like the Panasonic UB820 etc? I'd be happy enough with an ATM device to handle PS4, AppleTV etc if the tone mapping was as good as Panasonics.. 1
wooferocau Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 From Nigel ( ArrowAV) ISE2020 Old Today, 10:48 AM ARROW-AV We're Nuts About AV Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 4,597 Mentioned: 267 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 4204 Post(s) Liked: 6850 Greeting to all from ISE 2020! So I just finished an in depth demonstration of the MadVR Envy at ISE 2020, and yes this is indeed situated within the Alcons Pro-Ribbon booth In short, the MadVR Envy is absolutely incredible. The demo was utterly mind-blowing. And this is despite the fact that the room was not perfectly blacked out (it's a trade show after all). A massive congratulations and thank you to both @lovingdvd and @madshi for all their hard work and Mathias' creative genius in developing and bringing these products to market. The improvements that MadVR Envy makes with respect to the video performance is way, way above and beyond 'just' dynamic tone-mapping with respect to HDR. The difference in video performance is not slight or subtle. It's literally as if everything is better. Furthermore, the resultant image that is produced looks practically 3D and the vanillla baseline in comparison extremely 2D. The image looks more real. The colors are better. The luminance dynamic range is very considerably increased. And this is merely the tip of the iceberg. I have to admit that I was somewhat dubious regarding how effective the claimed artificial intelligence bright highlight and shadow detail recovery and optimisation would actuall be in reality. Furthermore, when I heard that the maximum setting is labelled 'Insane' I took this to be hyperbole... but it's not. Seriously, it really IS completely INSANE! I don't know how @madshi has done it but I am convinced that voodoo is involved! One particular video clip in this regard was as shocking as being hit in the face with a baseball bat. It was a shot of clouds in the sky on a bright day, wherein with the vanilla a lot of the image is blown out to white, and seriously we are talking about 1/4 of the screen here; and yet the MadVR Envy fixed the image 100% to perfection. There were literally gasps from everyone in the room, myself included. @lovingdvd and @madshi congratulations again. You have one hell of a product here. And I hope that I am not going to upset the apple cart by saying this, but I consider it to be important. There has been very understandably a lot of comparison versus the Lumagen PRO and questioning regards which is better. Well I am going to answer that question for you. It's the MadVR Envy, pure and simple. And it's not even close. Seriously, as compared with the Lumagen PRO it's on a totally different level. Which I have to say I was somewhat expecting given the difference in raw processing power for starters, let alone @madshi genius programming and algorithms etc. Don't get me wrong. The MadVR Envy does not make Lumagen PRO any less or worse of a product that it is; wherein it really is a fantastic product. It's simply that the MadVR Envy is way, way, better. Personally, I consider the pricing to be absolutely worth it and suffice to say I ordered one immediately on the spot. I very much look forward to spending some considerable handson time with the MadVR Envy ASAP. Hands down winner of BEST NEW PRODUCT at ISE 2020!!! Very, very, well done!!! 4
IMDave Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 So the question is @wooferocau, when does yours arrive ? After that glowing report from Nigel, I'm sure you can't resist comparing it to Madvr.
Mobe1969 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Geez that is a glowing review. I wonder how much it is going to cost here? I'm guessing even more than a Lumagen Pro. Sounds very impressive though. And if setup is simple enough, I'm probably going to be interested... I am not going to be an early adopter though. I want to here full reviews, forums etc.
IMDave Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, Mobe1969 said: Geez that is a glowing review. I wonder how much it is going to cost here? I'm guessing even more than a Lumagen Pro. Sounds very impressive though. And if setup is simple enough, I'm probably going to be interested... I am not going to be an early adopter though. I want to here full reviews, forums etc. Considering the Base model is $US5500 ( Pro model $US10000), as Franin said on page one of this thread, it's likely the Base model will be close to $A10k by the time its landed. But we will see.
Mobe1969 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, IMDave said: Considering the Base model is $US5500 ( Pro model $US10000), as Franin said on page one of this thread, it's likely the Base model will be close to $A10k by the time its landed. But we will see. Yeah, sadly... Their website doesn't really give any details between the two.
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