Epson Tw 6100, 6100W, 8100, 9100, 9100W Owners Thread

[The_Snowman]

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wow that would be quite an arrangement ! tilt with projectors is not a good thing ! you will then need to use keystone correction to square up the picture . NOT GOOD !!!!!

I only said that the 30 degrees of tilt available would give me some leeway; the plan is to mount the projector arm dead center of the screen, at the rear of the room obviously, and at a height so the picture fills the screens WITHOUT having to use the tilt if possible.

Given that this projector has such a narrow range of movement, you would think that Epson would state the various measurements for optimal set up?

At any rate, in such a small room as I have, and a 120" screen with black borders, I doubt weather any keystone will be noticed, certainly won't affect any picture quality, thanks for your concerns, John

http://www.bambooav.com/keystone-correction-explained.html

[Crazy Mike]

  On 11/02/2013 at 2:34 AM, dj898 said:

Had mine ceiling mount spot on so there really was no need for image shift and I could spend the saving on other things. Sure not everyone is going to do ceiling mount but if you have control how and where to mount your 6000/6100 then don't see why one has to have 8000/9000 series at more cost.

Not exactly, there is more to it than lens shift. The top spec Epsons have way better blacks and contrast than the 6000/6100 series. Not to mention THX mode, wireless HDMI, and anamorphic modes to support an external A-Lens.

[betty boop]

  On 11/02/2013 at 7:12 AM, Vieira4 said:

Not exactly, there is more to it than lens shift. The top spec Epsons have way better blacks and contrast than the 6000/6100 series. Not to mention THX mode, wireless HDMI, and anamorphic modes to support an external A-Lens.

and 3.5 years warranty including the bulb. that in itself is worth the extra.

[michael39]

Here what your all saying....but the 6100W that i got was quite easy to put up and set (as long as you have the room for it). A little fiddly but to make it spot on was worth it and i'm very happy as a 1st projector newbie. Very rapt and loving it and all the good advice on here also.

Cheers Michael

[The_Snowman]

  On 11/02/2013 at 10:05 AM, Fitzy39 said:

Here what your all saying....but the 6100W that i got was quite easy to put up and set (as long as you have the room for it). A little fiddly but to make it spot on was worth it and i'm very happy as a 1st projector newbie. Very rapt and loving it and all the good advice on here also.

Cheers Michael

Great to hear Michael, can you please share with us the height of the projector from the floor, the size of the screen, how high the screen is mounted and the distance from projector to screen?

Thanks, John

[The_Snowman]

Another question; anyone using a PS3 as the main player for 3D movies?

I am able to play some discs but not others?

I have the Yamaha RX-3900 receiver, HDMI cables in & out

Currently searching internet for further information, as well as re-checking PS3 settings.

Thanks, John

[betty boop]

make sure the ps3 has latest update. but I dont think the yamaha 3900 can pass 3D sorry.

[Riv39]

Well not even a week and the wow factor lives on.....Al those colours are truly amazing as you said previously. The only negative thus far is SD is very soft, kind of reminds of my Pana 54" plasma...maybe there are some tweeks I can investigate......back to the beginning of this thread for another read I think.

Edit: well reread the entire thread and I can't find any adjustement settings other than THX and eco which are on by default. Any suggestions to improve SD?

Edited February 13, 2013 by Riv39

[mmu16]

yeah SD content does look weak on these new PJ's and large screens. A good video processor (either in the BR player or receiver) can upscale most SD material to 1080p. My Oppo does a fantastic job with DVD's and so does my Receiver Oppo is better though). Depending on your upgrade path choose the next item, be it source or receiver carefully - pay attention to the video processing and upscaling capability. You could also consider the Darby darblet unit, some of our members here have heaped praise on this little gadget.

[UKDeano]

Finally got to see the 9100 pj today. Whilst I was excited to view it's image, I was very disappointed by the experience due to the service in the store.

The salesperson explained that the image was not perfect as they swap the pjs around for customers to see (I thought the out do the box image of this machine was supposed to be virtually reference due to its THX setting etc).

When a disc was played of some crops Ian field etc, I was told that this pj is amazingly sharp, but blu ray does not do it justice. Another disc of some Sharp Aquos footage was played, which did look stunning, but could make any potential owner of this machine feel they are not going to experience a similar quality from their blu ray library.

When I asked about the reports of this pj being great at 3D I was told that 2D is better, and customers do not buy this pj for 3D. I was also not shown any 3D footage, despite asking to see some. Bizarrely I was handed a pair of the glasses to look at, being told they are RF.

I asked for a quote, to which I was asked if I wanted a screen to go with it. Despite saying no, I was asked a further two times if I needed a screen.

Needless to say, I spent no more than five minutes there, as any excitement I had was quickly extinguished with the overwhelming feeling of lack of confidence in this retailer.

[cwt]

  On 12/02/2013 at 12:12 PM, Riv39 said:

Edit: well reread the entire thread and I can't find any adjustement settings other than THX and eco which are on by default. Any suggestions to improve SD?

2 Things to try riv ;super resolution which is a fancy edge sharpening algorithm ; not too much but it can produce halos The cfi [frame interpolation] can help motion depending on if its film or video based Blurb from epson;

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Super Resolution

Makes DVDs and standard definition content come alive via its mixed colour separation techniques and imaging simulation. It delivers crisp, clear images with super high-quality resolution. It also sharpens blurry images that have been enlarged by a general upscaling process.

The darblet anecdotally works well with lcd's btw

[michael39]

  On 11/02/2013 at 11:27 AM, The_Snowman said:

Great to hear Michael, can you please share with us the height of the projector from the floor, the size of the screen, how high the screen is mounted and the distance from projector to screen?

Thanks, John

Sorry John. Haven't been on much of late....playing with my new toy too much.

My room is 5m (wide) by 7m( long) and i've got a 120" screen. The ceiling is 2.7m high and the bulkhead in the room is 3m(ceiling). Projector is about 4.3m back from the screen and drops down 500mm from the bulkhead ceiling.Height of projector from the floor is 2.35m. Screen is 750mm from the floor......

Regards Michael

[cr1key]

  On 11/02/2013 at 1:02 AM, cr1key said:

Unfortunately, there's a problem with my unit - a large cyan coloured "blob" top and slightly left of centre

Had the faulty PJ declared DOA and swapped with a new one. Matt and the guys at TCC very helpful as always. Gave the new one a test in-store to make sure it had no problems.

[betty boop]

Good result ! And good idea testing instore as well make sure new replacement is tickety boo

[Riv39]

  On 16/02/2013 at 10:16 AM, cwt said:

2 Things to try riv ;super resolution which is a fancy edge sharpening algorithm ; not too much but it can produce halos The cfi [frame interpolation] can help motion depending on if its film or video based Blurb from epson;

Yeah tried super res which is currently set at 3 and it helps a little but FTA SD from a Fetch TV PVR just looks really soft. Interesting that my the old TW2000 did a much better job at SD from the same source.

Also tried the cfi and yes it does improve things however I was getting what looked like missing frames (very jerky)...not sure what that was all about so I turned it off again. I was watching an episode of Get Smart on FTA SD at the time (testing purposes only).

Upscaled DVD from my Denon 2910 is superb BTW as is BluRay from my Sony S760.

[Crazy Mike]

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Good result ! And good idea testing instore as well make sure new replacement is tickety boo

Al do I detect a Red Dwarf reference there?

[Jliang70]

  On 18/02/2013 at 1:45 AM, Riv39 said:

Yeah tried super res which is currently set at 3 and it helps a little but FTA SD from a Fetch TV PVR just looks really soft. Interesting that my the old TW2000 did a much better job at SD from the same source.

Also tried the cfi and yes it does improve things however I was getting what looked like missing frames (very jerky)...not sure what that was all about so I turned it off again. I was watching an episode of Get Smart on FTA SD at the time (testing purposes only).

Upscaled DVD from my Denon 2910 is superb BTW as is BluRay from my Sony S760.

I think you can try some other solution been suggested by other forum member such as getting the Oppo 103 or Darbee. I have used Denon 2910 I think it may have a good video processor built in for DVD player of that generation but it is not as good as a dedicated video processor of the same generation like DVDO VP30. Processor like the older DVDO VP30/VP50 can still be quite good for a 50-55 inch TV as their lack of more advance scaling and mosquito noise reduction is not noticeable on a TV of that size and moving to a larger dispaly these deficiency become quite visible. My suggestion is to look in 2nd hand market for a DVDO DUO or Lumagen 3D mini. On the SD programs I get from Satellite C-band and Ku-band I do get superb result from Lumagen not HD level but better than a lot of programs on the local FTA HD channels.

[cwt]

  On 18/02/2013 at 1:45 AM, Riv39 said:

Yeah tried super res which is currently set at 3 and it helps a little but FTA SD from a Fetch TV PVR just looks really soft. Interesting that my the old TW2000 did a much better job at SD from the same source.

Also tried the cfi and yes it does improve things however I was getting what looked like missing frames (very jerky)...not sure what that was all about so I turned it off again. I was watching an episode of Get Smart on FTA SD atoused t the time (testing purposes only).

Yes cfi's extra interpolated frames has that effect for some ; leave it off too .. The new epsons switched over to a pixelworks chip for sd ; they used to have hqv reons in them As jliang says an oppo 103 is a solution and you can utilise its hdmi ins for other sources if you dont mind switching 2 components on . Recently sold my dvdo duo so cant help but you may find a dvdo edge

If interested in a darblet theres a new 2d only version for very little soon

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The Cobalt will be a lower-end version of the Darblet, providing enhancement to HDMI 1.3-compliant signals only. That means that 3D images will not be enhanced. On the upside, there's expected to be a lower price point which will translate out to a lot more appeal to the general public.

[Riv39]

Thanks fpr the suggestions guys....I'm not unhappy with my Denon upscaling for most of my DVD's and when it does under perform I use the Sony S760 which dose a great job anyway.

My real problem is FTA SD from the Fetch TV box and as I get the basic service for free I'm not inclined to remove it at this time so I may just have to put up with it.

[Jliang70]

  On 19/02/2013 at 1:59 AM, Riv39 said:

Thanks fpr the suggestions guys....I'm not unhappy with my Denon upscaling for most of my DVD's and when it does under perform I use the Sony S760 which dose a great job anyway.

My real problem is FTA SD from the Fetch TV box and as I get the basic service for free I'm not inclined to remove it at this time so I may just have to put up with it.

I did not say you have to remove Fetch TV just that you can add a video processor like DVDO, Darbee or Lumagen which may provide better video processing and improve SD viewing on your projector.

[xyzed]

I've had the TW9100 since November last year, and while I still like its PQ I have 2 big problems with it 1./ I am constantly having to adjust the lens shifts as it keeps 'falling' down the screen. 2./ The fan noise after 30+ minutes - even on eco.

The projector is mounted in a spacious and well ventilated box in the ceiling and having to get the ladder out weekly is a PITA. Every day the vertical shift moves by a few mm, so by the end of the week the image is 2+ cm down from the top of the screen.

To make matters worse adjusting vertical shift, also has the vertical moving around (and vice versa). So trying to stick your hand in the box with a anamorphic lens in front and adjusting is 15+ minutes wasted each week.

2./ The fan noise is ridiculusly loud after the first 30 or so minutes. I haven't measured it, but I'd easily say high 60's - 70 dB, and I only run it on eco. So quiet parts in movies are ruined by the PJ.

I'm not sure if anyone elses has these problem, or just the first batch, but I can no longer stand it. If no one else has the problem then I'll try under warranty.

[betty boop]

something sounds wrong re the fan noise. on eco the thing is literally not audible. if have in a "box" and especially as you say after 30min is it a case of the projector warming up wiht heat build up in the box ? its not a good idea I dont think to enclose pjs in a box. but your arrangement might not make this an issue, but worth checking temps in the box. re slippage that could also be related if the thing is heating up and cooling down you might get a bit of movement. but yeah if have any concerns could drop into a service centre and get it checked. no harm

[Owen]

Since the Fetch box handles HD channels it is almost certainly deinterlacing and upscaling SD to 1080, if thats done poorly, and it sounds like it is, adding a video processor to the chain will achieve very little as the Fetch box has irreparably degraded the video.

If the Fetch box is doing a bad job setting its output to 576i for SD so thats it is not deinterlacing of upscaling and letting the display deinterlace and upscale should provide much better results without the need for a video processor. Native 576i output is also required if you want to get decent performance out of a video processor. No good trying to fix the damaged 1080 output from the Fetch box, thats very much a band aid solution.

[xyzed]

Should mention it did this before it went in the ceiling too. I had it stacked temporarily on some furniture and I thought the moving was just due to the weight slowly adjusting on the very thick carpet while waiting for the box to be made - but no difference

[The_Snowman]

  On 17/02/2013 at 5:28 AM, Fitzy39 said:

Sorry John. Haven't been on much of late....playing with my new toy too much.

My room is 5m (wide) by 7m( long) and i've got a 120" screen. The ceiling is 2.7m high and the bulkhead in the room is 3m(ceiling). Projector is about 4.3m back from the screen and drops down 500mm from the bulkhead ceiling.Height of projector from the floor is 2.35m. Screen is 750mm from the floor......

Regards Michael

Michael,

Thanks for that, I was thinking that you had it shelf mounted is why I was asking for details.

So did you adjust the screen to line up with the projected picture (as there is NO lens shift) or did you have some angle adjustment on your ceiling mount?

Regards, John