Doncentric Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 From memory I think the Price Japan website says they will not do voltage conversion. I assume it would breach their dealership agreement. Thus they will only sell 100 volt units. I have converted A-36, DC-37, C-3850 and E-470 all from Price Japan. And other models too. If you check the brochure for each model it lists the voltages "available". And that is what they are switchable to. As for feedback, no problems, straightforward to deal with. 6
alistairm Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Pretty much all Accuphase equipment is very simple to voltage convert. Anyone who says otherwise [edited] is either misinformed or has questionable motives. Same with some of the pricing claims on the DC37. We are not idiots... we have landed these items in Australia, and had them converted. Total cost including all duty, and paying a tech for the conversion is under $7k AUD for a DC-37.Quoting a $US17K ($AUD22.5K) price. Please. If true we could forget the warranty and afford to buy three units from Japan and still have a couple of grand left over.Either the wholesale rates to Australia need adjusting and the distributor should be complaining or the mark up isn't commercially rational or the prices quoted for local sale are inaccurate. I'm not sure which, but either way parallel importing of Accuphase isn't going to stop any time soon.I'm a huge supporter of local distribution. Indeed, my entire system, including cables, cartridge and all electronics was bought from Australian retail stores. Except the Accuphase gear. Unfortunately, the local distribution [edited] plainly has some issues, whether caused by head office or the local approach I do not know. But my own experience of being unable to obtain a price and being told to "make an offer" when trying to buy locally made it an easy decision to parallel import. As @@Steam said, more transparency about pricing would likely lead to more local sales. In the meantime, it's hard to argue against Price Japan. 11
Addicted to music Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 @@alistairm Congrats on the purchase, waiting for it to arrive kills me, let's say it's worst case sanario, that it can can't be done, what's stopping you like other posters here from using a cheap step down transformer.
alistairm Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 @@alistairm Congrats on the purchase, waiting for it to arrive kills me, let's say it's worst case sanario, that it can can't be done, what's stopping you like other posters here from using a cheap step down transformer. Nothing is mate, but in my experience (having had 3 different Accuphase products converted), they sound better once done. It's also neater of course, less risk of an accidental connection to the wrong voltage, better resale etc. But a simple step down from Tortech will do the job. Alistair 3
Addicted to music Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Nothing is mate, but in my experience (having had 3 different Accuphase products converted), they sound better once done. It's also neater of course, less risk of an accidental connection to the wrong voltage, better resale etc. But a simple step down from Tortech will do the job. Alistair You have had more experience than I have, I've never owned any Accuphase products before, but inspire by this thread with the DC37. Most of the gear I have purchased I make sure it's voltage covertable 100/240v. Even the stuff I work on is a matter of switching jumpers on the psu and they are direct from Japan. What gets up my nose is local distributors charging like in this case and some have the nerve that they won't convert the voltages even though owners are willing to pay for it. Feel sorry for legitimate international customers that own the product and are willing to pay for it who moved here with there gear and can't get the conversion done. If they made it more competitive and also willing to convert the voltages and work on products they didn't sell and support, it's a win win for them, after all it's the same brand. 1
PKay Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I agree, if they dropped the pricing and actually did a good job at promoting and marketing the product their sales should increase. 1
Steam Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I agree, if they dropped the pricing and actually did a good job at promoting and marketing the product their sales should increase. Why bother? The less kit you bring in the less problems you have for warranty etc. It's a great product that sells despite all the obstacles. So slap a high price on it, sit back and do mostly nothing. 1
MusicOne Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Class A Audio doesn't even display the prices of Accuphase equipment they sell: http://classaaudio.com.au/index.php?id_manufacturer=3&controller=manufacturer Why the need for secrecy? Edited March 18, 2016 by MusicOne 1
Steam Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Class A Audio doesn't even display the prices of Accuphase equipment they sell: http://classaaudio.com.au/index.php?id_manufacturer=3&controller=manufacturer Why the need for secrecy? None of the Oz dealers show price for Accuphase. It's presumably a restriction put in place by the distributor. Why? My guess is that they assume that you have to call or visit the dealer to get the price and they can then give you the hard sell - or the glowing champagne finish overwhelms your natural WTF reaction to the price. Of course to the people on this forum wanting to do their homework it's bloody irritating. But perhaps there are far more people that walk into a dealer, point at the most expensive thing and say I'll take it without a care for the price. Edited March 18, 2016 by Steam 2
Phantom Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 None of the Oz dealers show price for Accuphase. It's presumably a restriction put in place by the distributor. Why? My guess is that they assume that you have to call or visit the dealer to get the price and they can then give you the hard sell - or the glowing champagne finish overwhelms your natural WTF reaction to the price. Of course to the people on this forum wanting to do their homework it's bloody irritating. But perhaps there are far more people that walk into a dealer, point at the most expensive thing and say I'll take it without a care for the price. IMO, every website for any product should at least show RRP. You wouldn't expect a discounted price to be necessarily posted but people have a right to know the maximum price they will need to pay for any item or items. I am not aware of ever going into a genuine hi fi store and being given "the hard sell " though. That said, and as you correctly say, if people are researching prices and information they deserve to know the RRP but given the reputation of this lazy and unhelpful distributor it's probably not going to happen As a general rule though, people looking seriously at buying Accuphase gear, will know it ain't cheap, think $6K + for anything in the range. 3
Hergest Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Why bother? The less kit you bring in the less problems you have for warranty etc. It's a great product that sells despite all the obstacles. So slap a high price on it, sit back and do mostly nothing. I don't think that works when looked into. When I was looking for a top notch integrated 3 or 4 years ago Accuphase was on my list to audition. I couldn't find any local prices online first so I struck it off my list as I wasn't going to faff about going to a dealer or sorting out an audition only to find that the price was out of my league. I ended up with a Marantz PM11S2 instead. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has ignored Accuphase due to the difficulties of finding out how much it costs. The whole hidden pricing thing here is ridiculous and from my experience loses them business in the long run. 4
MusicOne Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 To do him justice, the distributor will readily provide a full listing of the RRPs of all Accuphase components upon request....and so he should. It surprises me a little that Accuphase hasn't looked around for someone else to replace the current distributor. I'm sure there'd be lots of distributors who could do a better job. 1
Hergest Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 It's interesting (and I'm sure incredibly frustrating) in that case that Alistair had to make an offer for the DAC he ended up getting from overseas. I've never heard of anything so ridiculous.
Class A Audio Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Deal All No Online Pricelist as a Manufacturer rule to all Accuphase Dealer International Wide. Also ,no Accuphase dealer in the world (inc Europe and US) would have such mark up as you thought ! If someone in Victoria and TAS is looking at purchase Accuphase please contact Class A Audio directly regarding pricing or demo, we will try hard to help you . 1
PKay Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Deal All No Online Pricelist as a Manufacturer rule to all Accuphase Dealer International Wide. Also ,no Accuphase dealer in the world (inc Europe and US) would have such mark up as you thought ! If someone in Victoria and TAS is looking at purchase Accuphase please contact Class A Audio directly regarding pricing or demo, we will try hard to help you . what about NSW?
MusicOne Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 what about NSW? I may be able to help there. If you're in Sydney, try Van at Absolute Hi Fi in Liverpool: http://www.absolutehifi.com.au/index.php Tell him John from Wollongong referred you.
betty boop Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 I may be able to help there. If you're in Sydney, try Van at Absolute Hi Fi in Liverpool: http://www.absolutehifi.com.au/index.php Tell him John from Wollongong referred you. they must give them away for free…. listed price for all accuphase is $0.00 wow !!! 2
matt200sr Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) what about NSW? Everyone gets shafted equally I will be shopping on Pricejapan.com for a DC37 later this year and will require the services of @Doncentric Edited March 19, 2016 by matt200sr 2
MusicOne Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 they must give them away for free…. listed price for all accuphase is $0.00 wow !!! Van is a nice guy, but I don't think he's into giving freebies on Accuphase.
PKay Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Van is a nice guy, but I don't think he's into giving freebies on Accuphase. I seriously doubt he will get to a reasonable markup compared to buying from Japan. Just wondering whether they have carved up state markets between the retailers (ie, Class A Vic/Tas) - I'm sure they're not doing this as it may be against the law. The Naim market was overpriced for a while and they actually changed distributors which led to a big price drop - since eroded somewhat with our peso. 3
matt200sr Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) Just wondering whether they have carved up state markets between the retailers (ie, Class A Vic/Tas) - I'm sure they're not doing this as it may be against the law. This is unofficially happening everywhere. It is also unofficially being poorly adhered to! Edited March 19, 2016 by matt200sr 1
MusicOne Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 This sort of closed shop approach is really outrageous. Why should dealers have their hands tied by manufactures/distributors? This is surely anti-competitive behaviour?
betty boop Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Van is a nice guy, but I don't think he's into giving freebies on Accuphase. oh I long time ago learnt there is nothing in life for free.... I am sure you would have to buy one for $0.00 as advertised before you he gives you one for free 1
Rob181 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 This sort of closed shop approach is really outrageous. Why should dealers have their hands tied by manufactures/distributors? This is surely anti-competitive behaviour? Apple have been doing this for years...exclusive retailers & they are not allowed to discount...anti competitive...no doubt...still gets the royal seal of approval form the ACCC & Govts of all persuasions... 2
Steam Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 You could just make an offer on this one http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Accuphase-C2110-/272167683748?hash=item3f5e7546a4:g:RXgAAOSwx-9WynrL
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