Richard Tremain Posted July 5, 2023 Posted July 5, 2023 On 04/07/2023 at 10:09 AM, Skeptical said: How about staying on topic? Expand For him this is definately economic. Perhaps now you have a clear path we will see your contribution.
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) On 01/07/2023 at 11:04 PM, evil c said: On a more serious note, we had a decent 6kW solar system installed several years ago- and we pay from $60 to $120 per month after pitiful FIT. Expect it to jump up shortly but been an OK investment- these zero bills mystify me how it's possible, without being on one of the very high FITs and very large capacity panels. Expand Hi Clive, Get a decent battery. More investment I know. It means that you are not giving your power away due the the pitiful FIT compensation as you say. Its your power not the company's. With a 6kw solar you would probably be able on a good sun day to generate enough to run the house in the day and fill a decent battery at the same time. The battery will provide power to the house at night. Big savings. When my battery is full it runs the house until 2/3 am in the morning depending on the how long the audio goes at night. Plus a battery will provide reduced power availability in the case of power failures. Keep the fridge running for example and some lights and a PC. Not you amps though. John Edited July 13, 2023 by Assisi 2
evil c Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 5:10 AM, Assisi said: Hi Clive, Get a decent battery. More investment I know. It means that you are not giving your power away due the the pitiful FIT compensation as you say. Its your power not the company's. With a 6kw solar you would probably be able on a good sun day to generate enough to run the house in the day and fill a decent battery at the same time. Not you amps though. John Expand It's tempting John, Just to spite the b@st@rds cleaning up with our pesky overflow of power ! Sizeable investment, and a long term one at that before recouping the outlay back in savings! Seen a few alarming stories of power companies pilfering your battery power while you sleep!, Dodgy contracts, where they basically own you and your system in the small print! 2
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 6:38 AM, evil c said: It's tempting John, Just to spite the b@st@rds cleaning up with our pesky overflow of power ! Sizeable investment, and a long term one at that before recouping the outlay back in savings! Seen a few alarming stories of power companies pilfering your battery power while you sleep!, Dodgy contracts, where they basically own you and your system in the small print! Expand With everything that I have done such as solar, battery, house regenerator, heat pump and reverse cycle there is the impact of the capital investment. I have never bothered to calculate the recouping of the investment. I know that there is a benefit based upon the amount of my monthly bill. I do use a bit more power than most. By far the best investment has been the battery. I do not know about power pilfering by the suppliers. I can monitor the activity of my battery. Any outflow of power from your battery must be by consent between you and the utility. My understanding is that there may be a possible and I mean maybe a financial benefit with consent arrangements I also understand that people who enter in to the consent arrangements often stop after awhile because the benefit is not real. The thing with battery is do not go for a battery that your solar cannot fill except on rare occasions. Waste of money. There are many people including me where I live where the batteries are not filling because of a continuous cloud cover. Where you live you have had more sun recently. John
lebowski Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 6:38 AM, evil c said: It's tempting John, Just to spite the b@st@rds cleaning up with our pesky overflow of power ! Sizeable investment, and a long term one at that before recouping the outlay back in savings! Seen a few alarming stories of power companies pilfering your battery power while you sleep!, Dodgy contracts, where they basically own you and your system in the small print! Expand Just don’t sign up for a VPP contract at this point. I think in a few years time when more households have batteries the concept will be viable. Agree, have to weigh up outlay and savings, I think for most households batteries don’t make financial sense but this is changing quickly. If you can adjust your power useage to make the most of your solar during the day (Dishwasher and Clothes Dryer, use cheap Bunnings timers for things like Bar Fridges to switch off at night) and happy to switch electricity retailers on a regular basis to get the best deal and Feed In Tariff (we’re on our 5th retailer in 3 years) I think if you have Solar and you are still paying $1,500 plus per year for electricity I would seriously consider a Battery. If your Annual electricity bill is less than $1000 a year it’s hard to justify the outlay at this point. Things are changing rapidly though. 1
Jakeyb77_Redux Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) I heard it’s got so tuff that @evil c has had to go from burning stacks of $100 bills to stacks of $50’s in the fireplace! Edited July 13, 2023 by Jakeyb77_Redux 1 1
evil c Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 8:58 AM, Jakeyb77_Redux said: I heard it’s got so tuff that @evil c has had to go from burning stacks of $100 bills to stacks of $50’s in the fireplace! Expand Contraire my dear misinformed friend, it has got so tough that Mrs Evil has had to buy less trinkets! 2
Jakeyb77_Redux Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 9:53 AM, evil c said: Contraire my dear misinformed friend, it has got so tough that Mrs Evil has had to buy less trinkets! Expand She still got your “trinkets” in a display case on the mantle? 1
evil c Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:25 AM, Jakeyb77_Redux said: She still got your “trinkets” in a display case on the mantle? Expand No l believe they're actually yours, weren't being used anyway !, 1
Addicted to music Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 Im not a fan of Lithium in huge concentrations in the one place especially at the point where I live. I know there are fanbois out there that will call me out Rubbish and Im full of it when it comes to EVs and electricity storage. There are enough instances including that new storage infrastructure in Geelong using Tesla infrastructure that caught fire as it was installed and it hasn't had a chance to be running properly on the grid. LG has had a major recall where their product had to replaced due to manufacturing issues that's discovered after a number of events. Ive seen systems out there that's designed here in Aust where the product is punctured, physically compromised but still operate, the cells that were damaged were designed to be bypassed in the asset and kept going! if you're going to invest in a battery especially with the current tech that involves Lithium look at these new designs that has these safety features to save your life in an event, or look at how you are going to implement a fire control system if an event on the premises occurs. A lot of installations talk about cost savings and in the even of power failures but no one or any of these product inform on safety in the event of a failure occurring. In EU, they have designed a dump truck, where they drag a burning EV in it and then fill it with water, so it becomes submerge in a mobile swimming pool. Some parts in US if 1st responders go out to a burning EV, if there is no lost of life or damage to other infrastructure they just let it burn out, hence you see just the shell of the vehicle with no chance of reigniting. 1
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 7:53 AM, lebowski said: I think if you have Solar and you are still paying $1,500 plus per year for electricity I would seriously consider a Battery. If your Annual electricity bill is less than $1000 a year it’s hard to justify the outlay at this point. Things are changing rapidly though. Expand I am unable to work out what my actual power bill over time is. It is less than $1,000 annually and I use a lot of power. Living in a rural area with a supply that goes through the forest means power failures from time to time. Plus, an idiot wrote of his car and took a transformer pole right outside my house recently. The power failures translate into credits. I have credits now. Failures mean that the battery can be a benefit as I have lights. My June invoice is $117 with virtually no Sun and March with Sun $14. Plus, in summer/Autumn I run a 1.4kW bore for many hours on many days. Both comparison months with no credits. I rest my case for the battery. It is wonderful. John
Jakeyb77_Redux Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:31 AM, evil c said: No l believe they're actually yours, weren't being used anyway !, Expand Very true!
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) On 13/07/2023 at 10:33 AM, Addicted to music said: Im not a fan of Lithium in huge concentrations in the one place especially at the point where I live. I know there are fanbois out there that will call me out Rubbish and Im full of it when it comes to EVs and electricity storage. There are enough instances including that new storage infrastructure in Geelong using Tesla infrastructure that caught fire as it was installed and it hasn't had a chance to be running properly on the grid. LG has had a major recall where their product had to replaced due to manufacturing issues that's discovered after a number of events. Ive seen systems out there that's designed here in Aust where the product is punctured, physically compromised but still operate, the cells that were damaged were designed to be bypassed in the asset and kept going! if you're going to invest in a battery especially with the current tech that involves Lithium look at these new designs that has these safety features to save your life in an event, or look at how you are going to implement a fire control system if an event on the premises occurs. A lot of installations talk about cost savings and in the even of power failures but no one or any of these product inform on safety in the event of a failure occurring. In EU, they have designed a dump truck, where they drag a burning EV in it and then fill it with water, so it becomes submerge in a mobile swimming pool. Some parts in US if 1st responders go out to a burning EV, if there is no lost of life or damage to other infrastructure they just let it burn out, hence you see just the shell of the vehicle with no chance of reigniting. Expand What are the alternatives? What is the failure rate per installation? When the first petrol drive cars went on the road in a horse and buggy society somebody had to walk in with a lantern for safety. Now we have EVs that are virtually silent. There are requests to have them make sound for safety. Ps I should have also mentioned Peter that as you would be aware a bus was engulfed in flame the other night on the West Gate. It appears that the fire in a diesel powered vehicle started in the engine compartment. Things happen John Edited July 13, 2023 by Assisi More words
betty boop Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:50 AM, Assisi said: There are requests to have them make sound for safety. Expand not requests.. there is mandatory requirements in most parts of world eu/us/uk and such ... we just lag as always .. mine comes with a sound maker under the car so it makes a slight tram/jetsons like sound under 20 km/hr..byt 30 km/hr wind noise is enough folks hear car coming along so noise vanishes..
betty boop Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 7:53 AM, lebowski said: I think if you have Solar and you are still paying $1,500 plus per year for electricity I would seriously consider a Battery. If your Annual electricity bill is less than $1000 a year it’s hard to justify the outlay at this point. Things are changing rapidly though. Expand if have an ev it makes for a good battery takes the trickle over.. rather than let the B@stards have it 1
Addicted to music Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:55 AM, betty boop said: not requests.. there is mandatory requirements in most parts of world eu/us/uk and such ... we just lag as always .. mine comes with a sound maker under the car so it makes a slight tram/jetsons like sound under 20 km/hr..byt 30 km/hr wind noise is enough folks hear car coming along so noise vanishes.. Expand There is no requirements in China either, their EV market is around the 30%. The EV doesn't bother me but the electric motor bikes and scooter that get on the footpath does, you can't hear them they are dead silent, if you get up and stat walking make sure you check 360 that no-one is coming at you! in China they ride bikes and drive cars like they walk! Quote from my daughter 1
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:55 AM, betty boop said: not requests.. there is mandatory requirements in most parts of world eu/us/uk and such Expand On 13/07/2023 at 10:55 AM, betty boop said: Expand Bit pedantic or too exact in the context of my point about things change? John 1
Addicted to music Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:50 AM, Assisi said: What are the alternatives? What is the failure rate per installation? When the first petrol drive cars went on the road in a horse and buggy society somebody had to walk in with a lantern for safety. Now we have EVs that are virtually silent. There are requests to have them make sound for safety. John Expand I would not install them anywhere near the house where you sleep! if so implement something like a smoke alarm to ensure you are alerted when you are asleep. Most rentals must have smoke detectors, the latest code is that a smoke detector is in every bedroom and not outside in the hall way.
betty boop Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 11:02 AM, Addicted to music said: There is no requirements in China either, their EV market is around the 30%. The EV doesn't bother me but the electric motor bikes and scooter that get on the footpath does, you can't hear them they are dead silent, if you get up and stat walking make sure you check 360 that no-one is coming at you! in China they ride bikes and drive cars like they walk! Quote from my daughter Expand the silent killer mine sounds like the no96 to st kilda just needs the "ding ding" horn On 13/07/2023 at 11:03 AM, Assisi said: Bit pedantic or too exact in the context of my point about things change? John Expand definitely got your point of how things change 1
betty boop Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 11:06 AM, Addicted to music said: I would not install them anywhere near the house where you sleep! if so implement something like a smoke alarm to ensure you are alerted when you are asleep. Most rentals must have smoke detectors, the latest code is that a smoke detector is in every bedroom and not outside in the hall way. Expand my ev is parked in the garage.. though if worried could also park it outside and still charge off solar... the charge lead is IP rated and will reach .. i think it would prefer the shade and still take the rays to charge 2
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 11:06 AM, betty boop said: definitely got your point of how things change Expand I got your point about words. Thanks John 1
lebowski Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 10:38 AM, Assisi said: My June invoice is $117 with virtually no Sun and March with Sun $14. Plus, in summer/Autumn I run a 1.4kW bore for many hours on many days. Both comparison months with no credits. I rest my case for the battery. It is wonderful. John Expand Have been in credit this year until June where our invoice is $78. No battery, however we have 10KW system and try to use our high power consuming between 10am - 4pm. This is with 10.2c FIT, 88c supply, and 24c p/kw. Mid winter and overcast it is still making 1Kw plus from 10am to 4pm. Spring/ Summer the system generates $5 - $6 per day. Our annual electricity bill is $300 - $400 and we use a lot of electricity with 2 teenagers at home, dishwasher on everyday, dryer every day through Autumn/Winter, 2 Fridges and a Freezer plus a few TV’s and a heap of HIFI. Would love to add a battery so I’m free of the Electricity companies and for the occasional blackout back up but at this point the numbers don’t stack up.
Assisi Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 11:06 AM, Addicted to music said: I would not install them anywhere near the house where you sleep! Expand I sleep upstairs. My battery is immediately below where I sleep. The house is double stone walls 30cm thick. Who knows what will happen overnight? Do you have a comment on failure numbers? John
Addicted to music Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 11:08 AM, betty boop said: my ev is parked in the garage.. though if worried could also park it outside and still charge off solar... the charge lead is IP rated and will reach .. i think it would prefer the shade and still take the rays to charge Expand I would not park an EV charging in the garage, yes it's just me! Why am I so pedantic on Lithium? when we moved house to where we are currently, my son used the wrong charger to a Lithium battery that none of us knew, I would have thought he was smarter than that, it was only a month of moving in and his bedroom exploded setting the smoke detectors off! We were at Bunnings when I got. call from the Fire Brigade to say my daughter who as 12 at the time called it in and they have units on the way. when I got there they used a solid extinguisher and it went everywhere the area. We spent all night cleaning up!
betty boop Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 ps to answer the question of this thread on how hard is the economy biting.. i reckon it has tanked big time.. harvey norman .. the yellow canary of doom recently said that retail was collapsing 25% .. suspect EOFY sales helped a bit to stave that off we certainly did our bit ! will be looking to push more into super where i can this year .. was a tidy return for year gone(feels like being free money) .. so got to feed that fire.. not that can access any of that for a while.. but its good to see it piling up even if cant touch it 2
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