The Hottest 100 won't be held on Australia Day next year

[ThirdDrawerDown]

To keep the grand commonwealth of Australians holding firm in the interests of mateship, or (because we are told that mateship is a purely Australian thing and in the interests of including in this discussion the overseas participants on this forum) we also point to the French, "Liberté, égalité, fraternité"; and with those thoughts in mind, I have a suggestion and a correction.

 

Suggestion: if you haven't listened to the Hottest 100 in the past ten years, this is not the thread for you to post in.

 

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Whatever **** you sprout, it wasn't Invasion day. If the Koori like to think that, they have it wrong. I think Whites that crap on themselves are far more mean spirited and piss weak. Worse **** has occurred in this country than Arthur Phillip arriving. If you're not proud of your country then you're not Australian. You're just a relative of someone who immigrated here.

Fixed: spelling, plurals, grammar, punctuation.

 

Proudly Australian.

 

 

[cafe67]

6 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

I think that Briggs and Dan Sultan earn far too much money to get 'welfare cheques'.

Free medical, free legal aid, free education, cheap house loans, cheap car loans 

[Satanica]

1 minute ago, proftournesol said:

Are you suggesting that we can't be critical of our own history and remain Australian? 

 

Can we be critical about how Arthur Phillip treated convicts settlers and remain Australian?

You can be critical of THE BRITISH whenever you feel like. 

[proftournesol]

7 minutes ago, Satanica said:

How is this on topic? How does it relate to JJJ Hotest 100 on Australia Day? 

The topic related to the Hottest 100 being held on Australia Day

A.B. Original is an Australian band

Their self-titled album was released in 2017 and the song 'January 26th' is not only about Australia day,  but also reflects a popular sentiment that is reflected in the overwhelming vote to change the date of the Hottest 100

This song will feature heavily in the voting for the Hottest 100 in 2017

[proftournesol]

6 minutes ago, cafe67 said:

Free medical, free legal aid, free education, cheap house loans, cheap car loans 

They are musicians, I'm sure they deserve far more money than they earn but surely being a musician doesn't entitle you to all of this?

[proftournesol]

7 minutes ago, Satanica said:

You can be critical of THE BRITISH whenever you feel like. 

Arthur Phillip was British

[Satanica]

2 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

Arthur Phillip was British

And we are not. 

[Two Flies]

1 hour ago, Wimbo said:

What ever **** you sprout, it wasn't Invasion day. If the Koori's like to think that, they have it wrong. I think Whites that crap on themselves are far more mean spirited and piss weak. Worse **** has occured in this country then Arthur Phillip arriving. If your not proud of your country then your not Australian. Your just a relative of someone who immigrated here.

Why wasn't it an invasion ? How have Aboriginal people got it wrong? Which whites are crapping on themselves? What worse things have happened since Arthur Philip arrived (what! worse than the systematic destruction of Aboriginal culture and mass killing of Aboriginal people) ? So what I'm just a relative of someone who immigrated here what's your point?

 

  The tag proud Australian means nothing more to me than a jingoistic dog whistle, I do my best not to be a proud anything myself esteem is not based on being a proud person, I'm very grateful to be born Australian, I feel very fortunate to be born in Australia, I love the Australian way of life and would put my life on the line in the defence of Australia but I've little to no need of being proud of anything.

Edited December 2, 2017 by MC240

[Wimbo]

2 minutes ago, MC240 said:

The tag proud Australian means nothing more to me than a jingoistic dog whistle, I do my best not to be a proud anything myself esteem is not based on being a proud person, I'm very grateful to be born Australian, I feel very fortunate to be born in Australia, I love the Australian way of life and would put my life on the line in the defence of Australia but I've little to no need of being proud of anything.

You answered it mate.

[Two Flies]

Just now, Wimbo said:

You answered it mate.

I anit your mate

 

[proftournesol]

5 minutes ago, Satanica said:

And we are not. 

So we can be critical of the British except we can't refer to their uninvited arrival of illegal non-citizens as an invasion?

[Wimbo]

21 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

Are you suggesting that we can't be critical of our own history and remain Australian? 

Are you suggesting that first peoples aren't Australian and are relatives of someone who immigrated here?

Can we be critical about how Arthur Phillip treated convicts settlers and remain Australian?

The second question I do not understand and the other two have nothing to do with what I said. You should join the Greens.

[Two Flies]

@Wimbo

Why wasn't it an invasion ? How have Aboriginal people got it wrong? Which whites are crapping on themselves? What worse things have happened since Arthur Philip arrived (what! worse than the systematic destruction of Aboriginal culture and mass killing of Aboriginal people) ? So what I'm just a relative of someone who immigrated here what's your point?

[Wimbo]

5 minutes ago, MC240 said:

I anit your mate

 

Your right their fella.

[Wimbo]

2 minutes ago, MC240 said:

@Wimbo

Why wasn't it an invasion ? How have Aboriginal people got it wrong? Which whites are crapping on themselves? What worse things have happened since Arthur Philip arrived (what! worse than the systematic destruction of Aboriginal culture and mass killing of Aboriginal people) ? So what I'm just a relative of someone who immigrated here what's your point?

Fella, if you don't understand, that's your prob.

[proftournesol]

7 minutes ago, Wimbo said:

The second question I do not understand and the other two have nothing to do with what I said. You should join the Greens.

White people criticise Australian history and forfeit their right to be Australian, what does that do when first peoples criticise Australian history?

I'm a card-carrying member of the Greens, as are many of my neighbours up here in country Victoria.

Australian history is what it is, good and bad. We can't change it but we can understand it so that we can accept it for what it is

[Satanica]

9 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

So we can be critical of the British except we can't refer to their uninvited arrival of illegal non-citizens as an invasion?

No, that's not what I meant. Be critical of THE BRITISH all you want. 

[Wimbo]

1 minute ago, proftournesol said:

White people criticise Australian history and forfeit their right to be Australian, what does that do to first peoples?

I'm a card-carrying member of the Greens, as are many of my neighbours up here in country Victoria

I live in a Liberal seat and support One Nation. My Grandmother on my mothers side was half Koori and lived west of Crookwell. So poor theres not much info on her. She married an Irishman from Crookwell. And I'm a Proud Australian.

[proftournesol]

Just now, Satanica said:

No, that's not what I meant. Be critical of THE BRITISH all you want. 

So you have no problems with January 26th as Invasion Day because it was a BRITISH invasion?

[proftournesol]

9 minutes ago, Wimbo said:

I live in a Liberal seat and support One Nation. My Grandmother on my mothers side was half Koori and lived west of Crookwell. So poor theres not much info on her. She married an Irishman from Crookwell. And I'm a Proud Australian.

I live in a seat that is independent, we ousted the witch of Wangaratta so I'm proud of my neighbours

My father was an immigrant and I'm 5th generation Australian on my mother's side, although technically none of us was Australian until 1901, and arguably not truly Australian until the Statute of Westminster was adopted in 1943. We certainly weren't Australian in 1788

I'd suggest that there's not much info on your grandmother mostly because she was half Koori, not just because she was poor

I'm proud to be a citizen here but accept that our country has black moments in its history just like any other and it's dangerous to pick and choose what you want to believe about our foundation story.

I do hope that I'm not a patriot though.

[Two Flies]

11 minutes ago, Wimbo said:

Fella, if you don't understand, that's your prob.

Oh come on surely you can do better than that havago ! 

 

Why wasn't it an invasion ? How have Aboriginal people got it wrong? Which whites are crapping on themselves? What worse things have happened since Arthur Philip arrived (what! worse than the systematic destruction of Aboriginal culture and mass killing of Aboriginal people) ? So what I'm just a relative of someone who immigrated here what's your point?

 

[Satanica]

16 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

So you have no problems with January 26th as Invasion Day because it was a BRITISH invasion?

It causes me no problems.

[proftournesol]

When we arrived to live here in the northeast, I was going to pay my respects to the elders of the land that we stole. I can't, there are no local first peoples left in this valley, and being first peoples, there isn't even much recorded about them (apart from massacres)

[proftournesol]

8 minutes ago, Satanica said:

It causes me no problems.

So let's move Australia Day to a day that we can all unite in celebrating. The British who invaded Australia were products of their time. The British anti-slavery movement was beginning but slavery wouldn't be abolished in Britain until 1833. Non-whites were regarded as sub-human or property, and the invasion of 'terra nullius' was understood in that context. It doesn't make it right though, and certainly nothing to celebrate when we have so many things we can all unite in celebrating. We can all thank the gay sailors that were responsible for the Australian Government enacting the Statute of Westminster for instance

[Two Flies]

1 minute ago, proftournesol said:

When we arrived to live here in the northeast, I was going to pay my respects to the elders of the land that we stole. I can't, there are no local first peoples left in this valley, and being first peoples, there isn't even much recorded about them (apart from massacres)

One of the old timers (white) told me about an Aboriginal massacre just up the road from Tallangatta he even offered to show me where it happened.