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Fs - Surround Sound Preamps / Processors

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Item: Rotel RSP 1066 7.1 pre/pro in silver

Location: Sydney

Item Condition:Excellent 9/10

Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps

Price: $500?

Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD

Extra Info:

Audio Section

Surround modes: Dolby Pro Logic II, Dolby 3-, 5-, & 7-channel stereo, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES Discrete, DTS Neo:6, Music DSP

Analog inputs: 8 RCA line-level (2-channel), RCA (7-channel)

Digital inputs: 3 coaxial, 2 TosLink

Analog outputs: RCA L/R Front, Center 1,Center 2, L/R Rear, Center Back 1, Center Back 2, Sub 1, Sub 2, Zone 2 L/R, Tape, Video 1,2,3

Digital outputs: 1 coaxial, 1 TosLink

Other connectors: COM I/O, Zone 2 remote, External remote, Dual12V trigger, Dual IR out

Frequency response: 10Hz-95kHz, ±1dB, line level; 10Hz-20kHz, ±0.3dB, digital

Signal/noise: 95dB (stereo analog), 92dB (Dolby Digital, DTS), both IHF A-weighted

THD: <0.05%

IM distortion: <0.05%

Input sensitivity/impedance: 200mV/47k?, line level

Video Section

Inputs: 5 composite, 5 S-video, 2 component

Outputs: 4 composite, 4 S-video, 1 component

Frequency response: 3Hz-10MHz, ±3dB

Signal/noise: 45dB

Dimensions: 17.01" x 4.76" x 13.43" (WxHxD)

Weight: 16.7 lbs

Reviews: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/rotel...reamp-processor

http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/rotel/pream...30_1591crx.aspx

http://www.technofile.com/articles/rotel_rsp_1066.html

Item: NAD M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier (silver)

Location: Sydney

Item Condition:Excellent 9/10

Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps

Price: $2500

Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD

Extra Info: One look at the Masters Series M15 pre/pro and you'll know this is no ordinary NAD offering. Innovative circuit design, proprietary operating and decoding software and premium quality parts all work to exceed our greatest expectation and more importantly, your greatest expectation.

Indeed, from 5.1 to 7.1, Dolby Digital to DTS, the M15 is capable of anything required in music or cinema-realms and offers intuitive operation so that it is as pleasurable to use as it is to listen to.

The M15 will serve well as the "brains" of your surround sound system and work to push the boundaries of your listening room to infinite dimensions by using the latest DSP's combined with proprietary solid-state technologies and unmatched Build Artistry. The M15 offers the latest in digital video connections with two HDMI inputs making it a practical choice for high definition viewing. And to make the M15 easy to setup and operate, we designed the Masters Series HTRM (Home Theater Remote-Masters Series). Not only will the HTRM learn the command for any component, it is easy to use and navigate.

M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier features

THX Ultra 2 Certified

6 AV Inputs with Composite and S-Video

3 HD Component Video Inputs

4 Coax and 4 Optical Digital inputs

4 Analogue Stereo Inputs

Tape Monitor

7.1 Direct Analogue Input

Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic IIx (movies and music), DTS ES, DTS 96/24, Neo:6, THX EX, THX Cinema, THX Music, EARS, Enhanced Stereo, Stereo Bypass

Video upconversion; Composite and S-Video inputs available on Component Video output

HDMI connection - 2 inputs, 1 output

OSD available on Component Video output

OSD chip is completely bypassed when not selected

"Direct" Component Video output without OSD

Lip sync compensation - (option to 100mS)

Flexible Bass Management including individual crossover frequencies for Front, Centre, and Surround speakers

Digital domain tone controls with centre channel "dialogue" control

RS-232 interface for advanced custom installations

12V Triggers for advanced control options, 1 In and 3 Out

3.5mm IR Control jacks, 1 In and 2 Out

Second zone AV output with zone OSD available

Four dual differential 24 bit, 192 kHz DACs

Dynamic Headroom Scaling for optimum resolution and S/N ratio for all program and decoding combinations

Linear Power Supply with custom Toroidal transformer with proprietary shielding to eliminate EMF leakage

Switched AC Outlet

Detachable AC cord

8 Device HTR M Illuminated Learning Remote control with LCD display

ZR 2 Second Zone Remote

Reviews: http://nadelectronics.com/products/masters...heading-reviews

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplificati...85_1591crx.aspx

Item:Cary Cinema 11 Surround Processor

Location: Sydney

Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with retailer)

Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps

Price: $?

Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD

Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, I was told it has been used for 20-40 hours as a demo model i believe. Condition is still excellent and it will come with some warranty on it. I havent personally used it yet.

More than just an audio control center, the Cinema 11 features the latest version of CES 7.1 decoding, which derives 7.1 channel output from stereo, 5.1 and 6.1 channel sources. Unlike

other decoders, CES 7.1 is compatible with all input sources and requires no special encoding.

Because the improvement it provides is clearly audible, CES 7.1 decoding is widely regarded as

the finest available.

In addition to CES 7.1, the Cinema 11 is also equipped with Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro

Logic II, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, dts 96/24, dts NEO:6, and dts-ES decoding.

With 32-bit audio digital signal processing (DSP) engines, the Cinema 11 offers unparalleled

processing power. These DSP engines perform custom Cary Audio processing such as auto sound

setup system, CES 7.1 decoding, bass enhancement, dialog enhancement, bass management,

high-precision digital crossover, and room EQ. This processing is available at sample rates up to

192 kHz, with 24-bit resolution to retain top performance from all input sources and listening

modes. A DSP engine is dedicated to decoding multi-channel compressed audio sources.

10 channels 24-bit/96 kHz A/D converters can be used to convert stereo analog audio input and

7.1 analog audio input signals to digital signals, allowing the Cinema 11 to provide the benefits of

precise digital signal processing without sacrificing signal integrity. Alternatively, stereo analog

XLR or 7.1 bypass signals and 7.1 analog signals can bypass A/D conversion and internal

processing to remain in the analog domain straight to the output connectors.

The Cinema 11 offers:

• 8 inputs; one balanced and seven single ended with RCA connectors; including S/PDIF

coaxial, S/PDIF optical, and analog pairs

• 7.1 channel analog audio input connections

• Analog bypass option for stereo and 7.1 channel analog audio input connectors

• Auto switching between digital and analog audio input connectors

• 24-bit/192 kHz D/A converters for all Main Zone audio channels

• Automatic and manual calibration of speaker distances and output levels

• 32-bit DSP engines

• CES 7.1 decoding

• Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx and Dolby Pro Logic II decoding

• dts 96/24, dts-NEO:6 and dts-EX (discrete and matrix) decoding

• RS-232 connector for flash memory software upgrades and configuration tool downloads

• Optical digital audio output connector for Zone 2 (Toslink)

• 3 12 volt output connections with 1/8” mini plug connectors

• 2 IR input connections

• XLR microphone input connections

• 7.1 Balanced audio output connectors for Main Zone

http://caryaudio.com/pdfs/manuals/Cinema11.pdf

Reviews: http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/hom...new-preamp.html

http://www.cepro.com/article/cary_audios_c...ble_to_pass_up/

Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor

Location: Sydney

Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)

Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps

Price: $3500?

Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD

Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.

It decodes all the latest high definition codecs (Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA) and is Cary Audio’s flagship HT processor. This processor does no video processing, allowing all it’s smarts to concentrate solely on audio.

It outputs 7.1 channels and has both RCA & XLR inputs and outputs. Built in tuner, dual zone (with second remote). It can output RCA & XLR outputs simultaneously, which is handy for dual subs.

Specifications:

Decoding Ability

Dolby True HD

Dolby Digital Plus

DTS-HD Master Audio

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio

Dolby Digital

Dolby Pro Logic IIx for movies and music

Dolby Digital EX

DTS ES 6.1 Discrete

DTS NEO 96/24 for movies and music

Matrix Surround for 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1

Inputs

7 RCA analog stereo input pairs

1 XLR analog stereo input pair

1 XLR digital input

7 RCA coaxial digital inputs

7 TOSLINK digital inputs

2 HDMI inputs

Multi channel Analog Input

7.1 analog bypass input set for multi-channel playback

Outputs Main Front pair, Center Front, Surround Back pair or Center Surround, Surround pair, Subwoofer, can have 5, 6 or 7 speakers & subwoofer, RCA and XLR connections. 1 HDMI output. 2nd zone output: 1 digital output, 1 RCA analog stereo pair

Frequency Response 2 Hz - 96 kHz

Amplitude Linearity +/- 0.2 dB (20 Hz - 20 kHz)

Phase Linearity 3 degrees (20 Hz - 20 kHz)

Dynamic Range 115 dB (1 kHz)

Signal-to-Noise Ratio 115 dB (1 kHz)

Channel Separation >100 (1 kHz)

Total Harmonic Distortion 0.008% (1 kHz)

Rated Output Level 1.0 V RMS (8.0 volts maximum)

Power Input 120 or 240 Volts AC, 50-60 Hz

Power Consumption 25 watts

Weight 25 lbs

Dimensions 17.7" W x 4.5" H x 16.5" D

Detailed Features Auto setup with a microphone, RS-232 port on back panel for custom install system control, IR repeater input and output, 3 remote DC triggers, Bass and Treble controls with bass management circuit, Variable crossover from 40-140 Hz, in 10 Hz steps, dedicated remote control handset, second zone audio analog and digital outputs.

OEM link :- http://www.caryaudio.com/products/cinema/cinema11a.html

Reviews: http://hometheaterreview.com/cary-audio-de...essor-reviewed/

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You sure are the collector lone, Nice collection of pre's there. Good luck in the sale ;):)

You may very well be the beneficiary of these impending sales Al. ;)

Am I right Lonewolf, making room for an A1hda perhaps? B) Or have you got some grander plans? Spill....

Gee you really cleaning out the closets lately, good for you, and best of luck with it all mate.

Makes me think I should really move-on my un-used gear before the dust on them gets heritage listed.

p.s have you been able to sort out your power points?

Steve.

You may very well be the beneficiary of these impending sales Al. ;)

Am I right Lonewolf, making room for an A1hda perhaps? B) Or have you got some grander plans? Spill....

Gee you really cleaning out the closets lately, good for you, and best of luck with it all mate.

Makes me think I should really move-on my un-used gear before the dust on them gets heritage listed.

p.s have you been able to sort out your power points?

Steve.

I think you may be on to something there Steve, selling components before actually having used them is the sign of a man in a hurry!

Whatever the reason may be Lonewolf good luck with the sale, some high-end gear on offer thats for sure!

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You may very well be the beneficiary of these impending sales Al. ;)

Am I right Lonewolf, making room for an A1hda perhaps? B) Or have you got some grander plans? Spill....

Gee you really cleaning out the closets lately, good for you, and best of luck with it all mate.

Makes me think I should really move-on my un-used gear before the dust on them gets heritage listed.

p.s have you been able to sort out your power points?

Steve.

HAHA, yes well I think Al was just the push i needed. It made me realise even if i wanted to purchase anything else that I just couldnt fit it in my house. I have way too much decent equipment lying around. I still have 2 centers and 2 pairs of fronts which are all quite darn good speakers not being used and havent been used for a while. I have 3 video processors and am only using 1 at the moment (need to at least sell 1 of them if not 2).

I keep talking about a 2nd system i am going to put together blah blah but i never get around to it and frankly not much of a need for it either. I have a elektra theatron that hasnt been used for ages except as a back up power amp. I have 2 ME power amps that are used as back up power amps..... Dont even start me on the subwoofers!

Initially i was thinking of the A1hda but now I was just thinking regardless of what happens i need to sell some of my gear, at least someone will use them and get enjoyment from them. I value them all and realised its a waste to just hoard them if they will never get used again especially after how much i treasured them when i first got them myself. My Problem is I treasure them so much I hate to see them go. And perhaps because I dont have a mortgage yet, I dont value the idea of having cash rather than pretty equipment lying in boxes not being used. Saying that I also cant see them go for a price i feel is too low and hence sometimes I just end up keeping them with the idea of using them again one time in the future when Armageddon occurs and AV equipment are required...

The only thing is, I am getting second thoughts about selling off my Cary's as some people feel they are really good and are probably better than the Denon while others feel the complete opposite. So its a tough one especially since I havent listened to my Carys yet or to the Denon and likely wont be able to...well with my Cary's i will be able to once the new firmware is installed on them and i get them (unless i sell them). Bah its all too confusing!

P.S Sadly the power point issue has not been fixed yet, been so busy i keep forgetting to get it resolved. And I know I really have to if not for any other reason than the totally stupid amount of subs and power amps in the room ;). I guess I am still a bit daunted by how exactly to fix the power point issue. For people who dont know, I have a TONNE of equipment in my room and only 2 power sockets!

The only thing is, I am getting second thoughts about selling off my Cary's as some people feel they are really good and are probably better than the Denon while others feel the complete opposite. So its a tough one especially since I havent listened to my Carys yet or to the Denon and likely wont be able to...well with my Cary's i will be able to once the new firmware is installed on them and i get them (unless i sell them). Bah its all too confusing!

I wouldnt read the 11a review in WSR lonewolf ; it will play with your mind as it compares it to a denon as well -_-

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I wouldnt read the 11a review in WSR lonewolf ; it will play with your mind as it compares it to a denon as well -_-

Hmm very intriguing. Do you have a copy of it? I cant access it without subscribing. Does that mean i need to pay? I would be very interested in reading up on that review.

Hmm very intriguing. Do you have a copy of it? I cant access it without subscribing. Does that mean i need to pay? I would be very interested in reading up on that review.

It wouldnt feel right doing that after Blade was kind enough to give the tip mate . The webzine is great value [$15] in any case when compared to the bimonthly mag and is still on special . It doesnt gloss over the small issues as a lot of mags do and has a great archive as well ;)

http://widescreenreview.com/shop/

Can the Cary IIa accept uncompressed bitstreams at its input, decode it, and output it as LPCM? I need a "black box" bitstream decoder as my BR player doesn't decode to LPCM, and my processor can't accept uncompressed bitstreams (but it can accept LPCM).

Can the Cary IIa accept uncompressed bitstreams at its input, decode it, and output it as LPCM? I need a "black box" bitstream decoder as my BR player doesn't decode to LPCM, and my processor can't accept uncompressed bitstreams (but it can accept LPCM).

Can't see in your equipment list what player your using beejay,

Not aware of any processor doing that sort of thing beejay, but some players will internally decode. The player I am selling does...

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=91414

*Shameless plug* hope don't mind lone, otherwise can edit out :D

Other players around that do as well. Can confirm my player does indeed decode all available formats and output as lpcm :)

Ps as an aside there was a Sherwood device to marry upto their Newcastle pre. Not sure if still available. And might be a little too budget in any regard to fit in a quality system such as yours.

Can the Cary IIa accept uncompressed bitstreams at its input, decode it, and output it as LPCM? I need a "black box" bitstream decoder as my BR player doesn't decode to LPCM, and my processor can't accept uncompressed bitstreams (but it can accept LPCM).

I can only suggest workarounds beejay when the kaleidescape only bitstreams and the halcro isnt compatible . The only device that would possibly work [ and you would have to forego your vp which I cant see happening ] is a cary 11v which can strip strip lpcm and has a digilink proprietary port for the cary 11 which can take lpcm . If it can do that it also has 2 hdmi outputs which could feed your halcro . Or buy lonewolfs 11 ; I would make double sure this is possible though as the cary 11v manual doesnt mention the older 11 .

A very expensive workaround though ; was thinking if you had a meridian you could buy a 621 :)

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I can only suggest workarounds beejay when the kaleidescape only bitstreams and the halcro isnt compatible . The only device that would possibly work [ and you would have to forego your vp which I cant see happening ] is a cary 11v which can strip strip lpcm and has a digilink proprietary port for the cary 11 which can take lpcm . If it can do that it also has 2 hdmi outputs which could feed your halcro . Or buy lonewolfs 11 ; I would make double sure this is possible though as the cary 11v manual doesnt mention the older 11 .

A very expensive workaround though ; was thinking if you had a meridian you could buy a 621 :)

The Cary's are withdrawn from sale at the moment. The NAD M15 and the Rotel RSP 1066 are still available.

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Are the Cary's still withdrawn?

HAHA, yes well I think Al was just the push i needed. It made me realise even if i wanted to purchase anything else that I just couldnt fit it in my house. I have way too much decent equipment lying around. I still have 2 centers and 2 pairs of fronts which are all quite darn good speakers not being used and havent been used for a while. I have 3 video processors and am only using 1 at the moment (need to at least sell 1 of them if not 2).

I keep talking about a 2nd system i am going to put together blah blah but i never get around to it and frankly not much of a need for it either. I have a elektra theatron that hasnt been used for ages except as a back up power amp. I have 2 ME power amps that are used as back up power amps..... Dont even start me on the subwoofers!

Initially i was thinking of the A1hda but now I was just thinking regardless of what happens i need to sell some of my gear, at least someone will use them and get enjoyment from them. I value them all and realised its a waste to just hoard them if they will never get used again especially after how much i treasured them when i first got them myself. My Problem is I treasure them so much I hate to see them go. And perhaps because I dont have a mortgage yet, I dont value the idea of having cash rather than pretty equipment lying in boxes not being used. Saying that I also cant see them go for a price i feel is too low and hence sometimes I just end up keeping them with the idea of using them again one time in the future when Armageddon occurs and AV equipment are required...

The only thing is, I am getting second thoughts about selling off my Cary's as some people feel they are really good and are probably better than the Denon while others feel the complete opposite. So its a tough one especially since I havent listened to my Carys yet or to the Denon and likely wont be able to...well with my Cary's i will be able to once the new firmware is installed on them and i get them (unless i sell them). Bah its all too confusing!

P.S Sadly the power point issue has not been fixed yet, been so busy i keep forgetting to get it resolved. And I know I really have to if not for any other reason than the totally stupid amount of subs and power amps in the room ;). I guess I am still a bit daunted by how exactly to fix the power point issue. For people who dont know, I have a TONNE of equipment in my room and only 2 power sockets!

I got a sparky to run a dedicated circuit for my HT gear. Did not cost that much for peace of mind. :)

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The Cary Cinema 11a is being used by me now and so not being offered for sale. I havent really decided if i am going to use the Cary Cinema 11 yet in a 2nd system or not, its still in the box not being used at the moment :(.

Bradp : When you say it did not cost much, are we talking a couple of hundred or more? I really should get these issues fixed up as i think the situation is nowhere near ideal at the moment. I believe i am using up about... 52 power sockets (through a lot of power boards) all coming from 2 power sockets in the room...... The powerboards are decent power boards i am using with surge protection etc but still the idea that its all coming from 2 power sockets is really .....scary.

The Cary Cinema 11a is being used by me now and so not being offered for sale. I havent really decided if i am going to use the Cary Cinema 11 yet in a 2nd system or not, its still in the box not being used at the moment :(.

Bradp : When you say it did not cost much, are we talking a couple of hundred or more? I really should get these issues fixed up as i think the situation is nowhere near ideal at the moment. I believe i am using up about... 52 power sockets (through a lot of power boards) all coming from 2 power sockets in the room...... The powerboards are decent power boards i am using with surge protection etc but still the idea that its all coming from 2 power sockets is really .....scary.

Blardy hell, its a wonder the whole circuit doesn't trip every time you switch it on!!!

I had an extra circuit added for the HT room and spent $1800 doing it.

The Cary Cinema 11a is being used by me now and so not being offered for sale. I havent really decided if i am going to use the Cary Cinema 11 yet in a 2nd system or not, its still in the box not being used at the moment :(.

Bradp : When you say it did not cost much, are we talking a couple of hundred or more? I really should get these issues fixed up as i think the situation is nowhere near ideal at the moment. I believe i am using up about... 52 power sockets (through a lot of power boards) all coming from 2 power sockets in the room...... The powerboards are decent power boards i am using with surge protection etc but still the idea that its all coming from 2 power sockets is really .....scary.

Scary is one way to look at it but the other thing to question is are your components (especially power amps) are even getting enough power to work at their best, particularly if you are using surge protected power boards.

I found out first hand when I bought an 8 outlet Belkin Surge protector board and went from running all of my components off four plugs (2 power points) through the one surge protector I noticed a significant drop in power output of my receiver. The sound was thinner across the board. I ended up taking the receiver off the surge projector and running it directly off a dedicated power point socket and the power was restored.

It was either the fact I was drawing more power from the one power point or the surge protector limited the power input slightly, or both.

Scary is one way to look at it but the other thing to question is are your components (especially power amps) are even getting enough power to work at their best, particularly if you are using surge protected power boards.

I found out first hand when I bought an 8 outlet Belkin Surge protector board and went from running all of my components off four plugs (2 power points) through the one surge protector I noticed a significant drop in power output of my receiver. The sound was thinner across the board. I ended up taking the receiver off the surge projector and running it directly off a dedicated power point socket and the power was restored.

It was either the fact I was drawing more power from the one power point or the surge protector limited the power input slightly, or both.

Have you sold the NAD preamp? I'm trying to upgrade my older NAD receiver...PM if you want.

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Have you sold the NAD preamp? I'm trying to upgrade my older NAD receiver...PM if you want.

Hey Boffin,

The NAD Preamp is still available for sale, whereabouts are you?

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