Spearmint Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Damn forgpt japs use 110v bloody hell You think a simple 110v----> 220v switch will solve the problem on the back like so many other equipement have cheers laurie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Laurie It is probably only a jumper change inside... Not sure about the NTSC/Pal change though. I know Crown & Rotel use internal jumpers, although in the Crown there are no viewable markings as to what configuration is meant to be for each voltage, I guess this is so you have to get a service centre to configure them.
laurie Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Not sure about the NTSC/Pal change though. That's not a problem it will pass through both Assuming its not a single wound tranny voltage 0v----------*| *| *| *| *| 110v-------* *| *| *| *| 220v-------*| cheers laurie Hmmmm why * looks ok on original post!!
Spearmint Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Not sure about the NTSC/Pal change though. That's not a problem it will pass through both Assuming its not a single wound tranny voltage 0v----------*| *| *| *| *| 110v-------* *| *| *| *| 220v-------*| cheers laurie Hmmmm why * looks ok on original post!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With Crown they are configurable to... 100v 120v 220v 230v 240v There is a plastic plug that has 2x bridge wires into 9 possible locations to configure the voltage. And no markings to give any indication of what the configuration should be. Your centre tap configuration is probably correct, but I guess the question is how to configure it. Obviously not all manufactures are as bad as Crown for confusing the issue but I am just pointing out the fact that some of them do make it a little difficult.
RodN Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Glenncol the Denons are nice but they are NOT in the Halcro league. Wait for the Halcro's mate, they are audiophile quality. You would then probably look at a zoning system for the rest of the house.
Spero D. Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 You think a simple 110v----> 220v switch will solve the problem on the back like so many other equipement have. The Japanese models are 110Volt only going by pictures on the back of the unit. There is no Mulit-Voltage switch. You do *not* want to use a Power transformer on an item this big that needs a lot of power. Also a Power converter will not convert 50hz to 60hz. Ok just found something on a 4806. Sorry Glenn I meant the AVC-A11XV will be the equivalent of the AVR-4806. Which I would use only as a Pre. However I do not know if that unit has the Multi-Room capabilites that the AVC-A1XV has. Glenncol the Denons are nice but they are NOT in the Halcro league. Wait for the Halcro's mate, they are audiophile quality. In the amplifiing section I agree that the Halcro are the Creme De le Creme for amplifiers. However I take it that you mean using the Halcro as a Pre as opposed to using the Denon as a Pre since this is what Glenn is looking at? I take issue with this. If so have you listened to both units side by side in the same environment both as Preamps with the same speakers to make such a call that the Denon is not *Audiophile quality*? Spero D.
petermwilson Posted February 19, 2005 Posted February 19, 2005 Hi, When the 5805's predecessor the 5803 came out a couple of years ago almost every professional reviewer's final comments were "The first reciever that can be compared to High End separates". I'm not going to even try (because I'm not remotely qualified) to argue the separates or reciever question, but I will say that if you have a designated Media or HT room, the permutations offerred by any of the flagshp recievers may not be what you need to-day but they soon may be. Personally I think the 5805 is a blunder. The cost and inconvenience and mess of cabeling for multple zones would be a nightmare not to mention the WAF factor. The automated setup you would check with an SPL meter anyway so why bother. Even if it does have Faroudja DCDI scaling to 1080i from component is a red herring because it's HDCP compliant so you can scale a homemade dvd of your kids birthday party but forget about Spiderman, so whats the point. However, if you do have multple zones and you need a THX Ulta II certified unit, (to me the THX guarantees that it has 7 separate 170w amps) I would get 2 previously enjoyed 5800 or 5803's with the same juice. I have an upgraded 5800 and everything I have runs through it including a set of 5 4ohm speakers and since it has 2 full sets of analogs, mltidisc dvd-a and sacd players. I have 9 speakers connected and (although there arn't many) can really appreciate a DTS 6.1 Discrete dvd. To replace what this unit does with separates would be impracticle. To me its horses for courses it all depends on what you want to get done. Peter M.
Spero D. Posted February 20, 2005 Posted February 20, 2005 Peter I to had hoped that Denon would of released this unit with less channels of Amplifications and therefore a cheaper price. However it is what it is and at least the AVC-A11XV will come close to bridging that gap. The automated setup you would check with an SPL meter anyway so why bother. Peter this is totally incorrect as the the AVC-A1XV does more than just check your speaker levels. The Audyessy Multi Room EQ is one of the most impressive feature sets on this unit and well worth the price of admission on its own. It will also be featured on the cheaper AVC-A11XV when it is released in May. Audyssey MultEQ: A Comprehensive Approach to System Set-up, Calibration and Room Acoustic Correction Spero D.
petermwilson Posted February 20, 2005 Posted February 20, 2005 Hi Spero, There is really no doubt that this feature is impressive and if it's a priority with you so be it. I only said that with my setup in mind as the 5800/03 allows for .1ft distance per speaker and I have a rectangular room with wall to wall carpet and use a duvet for absorbtion behind a couch that seats four really good friends. If the new feature can do a better job than I can the old fashioned way then my ears will have to be the poorer for it. A HT with mlti tiered seating would certainly help it pay for itself. Peter M.
glenncol Posted February 20, 2005 Posted February 20, 2005 You think a simple 110v----> 220v switch will solve the problem on the back like so many other equipement have. The Japanese models are 110Volt only going by pictures on the back of the unit. There is no Mulit-Voltage switch. You do *not* want to use a Power transformer on an item this big that needs a lot of power. Also a Power converter will not convert 50hz to 60hz. Ok just found something on a 4806. Sorry Glenn I meant the AVC-A11XV will be the equivalent of the AVR-4806. Which I would use only as a Pre. However I do not know if that unit has the Multi-Room capabilites that the AVC-A1XV has. Glenncol the Denons are nice but they are NOT in the Halcro league. Wait for the Halcro's mate, they are audiophile quality. In the amplifiing section I agree that the Halcro are the Creme De le Creme for amplifiers. However I take it that you mean using the Halcro as a Pre as opposed to using the Denon as a Pre since this is what Glenn is looking at? I take issue with this. If so have you listened to both units side by side in the same environment both as Preamps with the same speakers to make such a call that the Denon is not *Audiophile quality*? Spero D. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was considering using the Denon as a Pre and the power of the Halcro
phosphor Posted March 1, 2005 Posted March 1, 2005 This is an interesting thread for a couple of reasons, so I thought I'd register so I could reply. But as a disclaimer I need to say upfront I work for a store that sells Denon. Yes, this is a really massive bit of work. It took two of us to lift it into place and more than a little while to set it up. I haven't even explored the possiblity of what this thing can fully do. Yes its damned expensive, but it is increcibly flexible. It isn't good value as the amplifier for your home theatre, but its designed to do a lot more than that. The most obvious use for this is at the heart of a high quality distribution system. Its perfect for integrators looking for a unit that provides a huge degree of flexibility for a multizone system., as well as being the brain of a high quality theatre. A lot of the feature set has been mentioned, Scaling, Digital video switching, etc... and yes, you could design a system using other components to provide the same feature set, but you wont have the same degree of transparency in operation that the Denon gives you. Its just works, and its simple as that. Ofcourse its a complex bit of gear, so its got a learning curve to use the advanced features, but this isn't a simple home theatre amp. In fact, in operation, it is so much easy to operate than so many other brands I shant mention it should be applauded just for that. Theres other products out there you could use as just a theatre amp, and yes, If I were building a theatre, then I would probably look at a pre power option. But this product is designed for so much more than that. Even set up just in theatre mode, it is incredibly good. Its dynamic and detailed, and it sounds great. At some point in this thread, someone asked where you can see one of these in a dealers demo room, and someone else mentioned that most dealers wont put them on display. This is true, its a very expensive peice of hardware to stock. and judging by the number of people on this forum that have talked about importing one from pricejapan or direct from o/s, its not hard to see why retailers are reluctant. Its dis-heartening to invest so much money in a flagship product for people to come in and demonstrate and then read how willing people are to parallel import one. I wont go on about the real price of importing an item such as this, or the inherent warranty issues, or how an australian dealer will do their best to give you a fair price on one, if your serious. I do go on about that all the time. But I digress, the point is that every state in australia has one to the best of my knowledge and if you want to demo one, a simple call to the importer will put you in touch with your local dealer. Regards
betty boop Posted March 1, 2005 Author Posted March 1, 2005 This is an interesting thread for a couple of reasons, so I thought I'd register so I could reply. But as a disclaimer I need to say upfront I work for a store that sells Denon.Yes, this is a really massive bit of work. It took two of us to lift it into place and more than a little while to set it up. I haven't even explored the possiblity of what this thing can fully do. Yes its damned expensive, but it is increcibly flexible. It isn't good value as the amplifier for your home theatre, but its designed to do a lot more than that. The most obvious use for this is at the heart of a high quality distribution system. Its perfect for integrators looking for a unit that provides a huge degree of flexibility for a multizone system., as well as being the brain of a high quality theatre. A lot of the feature set has been mentioned, Scaling, Digital video switching, etc... and yes, you could design a system using other components to provide the same feature set, but you wont have the same degree of transparency in operation that the Denon gives you. Its just works, and its simple as that. Ofcourse its a complex bit of gear, so its got a learning curve to use the advanced features, but this isn't a simple home theatre amp. In fact, in operation, it is so much easy to operate than so many other brands I shant mention it should be applauded just for that. Theres other products out there you could use as just a theatre amp, and yes, If I were building a theatre, then I would probably look at a pre power option. But this product is designed for so much more than that. Even set up just in theatre mode, it is incredibly good. Its dynamic and detailed, and it sounds great. At some point in this thread, someone asked where you can see one of these in a dealers demo room, and someone else mentioned that most dealers wont put them on display. This is true, its a very expensive peice of hardware to stock. and judging by the number of people on this forum that have talked about importing one from pricejapan or direct from o/s, its not hard to see why retailers are reluctant. Its dis-heartening to invest so much money in a flagship product for people to come in and demonstrate and then read how willing people are to parallel import one. I wont go on about the real price of importing an item such as this, or the inherent warranty issues, or how an australian dealer will do their best to give you a fair price on one, if your serious. I do go on about that all the time. But I digress, the point is that every state in australia has one to the best of my knowledge and if you want to demo one, a simple call to the importer will put you in touch with your local dealer. Regards <{POST_SNAPBACK}> good post phosphur. welcome to the forum. And thank you declaring upfront you do in fact work for a denon retailer. as far as who sells them I noticed an add in last weeks green guide saying cav in melbourne had just got the behemoth in. by the way I neither work for denon or cav or any audio seller/reseller ! just posting incase someone was looking somewhere to check it out.
petermwilson Posted March 1, 2005 Posted March 1, 2005 Hi Guy's, For those who don't know, it's quite possible that my wife and I migrate to Oz from Canada this year. Rick Johnson the VP sales for Professional produts in Canada was the tech in the service dept who upgraded my 5800 to 95% 5803 status and since he was interested in the video side of a HT came to my house to set it up. I called him yesterday re Oz and he said the transformwer route will work fine as long as you give it breathing room.. Add up all the values of your HT equipment and buy 1 or 2 transformers (they go to 5000 in 1000 increments, power not dollars), plug in your Monster Power filtering bar and then your equipment 1 at a time. I would imagine though that you can buy a unit geared to local power needs and b done with it. I still, however think this unit is a blunder. If you wnat more power buy an mltichannel Amp to add on or get 2 5803's. Anyway its just my opinion. Peter M.
Guest Posted March 2, 2005 Posted March 2, 2005 I noticed that the Yamaha RX-Z9 now retails for $6,999. As much as the Denon looks and seems awesome, I think Id rather have two Z9s!
betty boop Posted March 2, 2005 Author Posted March 2, 2005 I noticed that the Yamaha RX-Z9 now retails for $6,999. As much as the Denon looks and seems awesome, I think Id rather have two Z9s! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wow markh thats quite a price drop I'm sure only months ago the yam rrp was $9,999 - I remember reading a review / article on it. Thats the problem with this top shelf stuff when it drops in price it really drops!
ozcal Posted March 2, 2005 Posted March 2, 2005 I noticed that the Yamaha RX-Z9 now retails for $6,999. As much as the Denon looks and seems awesome, I think Id rather have two Z9s! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wow markh thats quite a price drop I'm sure only months ago the yam rrp was $9,999 - I remember reading a review / article on it. Thats the problem with this top shelf stuff when it drops in price it really drops! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am always very sceptical about the basic audio quality of these japanese behemoths.I worked for nearly 20 yrs in high end hi-fi retail and generally found that whilst the japanese gear compares well on price it is not a patch on well designed European and American equipment in terms od sound quality.I wonder how the Denon and the Yamaha would compare to a Rotel rsp1098 with 1095 poweramp ( YES I know Rotel is Tiwanese). Gordon
petermwilson Posted March 2, 2005 Posted March 2, 2005 Hi Gordon, Being skeptical about build quality, reliability, and overall performance is a healthy way to apparoach the purchase of anything A/V except for HTIB (Home Theatre in a Box) in which case you pretty much get what you pay for. Over the last 30 years I have had 4 audio processors. 2 from Bang & Olufsun which both had to be repaired. And an Onkyo 575 as well as a Denon 5800/03. I have only had the latter 2 for the last 6 and 4 years respectively. The Onkyo and the Denon rarely get turned off and I've never had an incling of a problem. I feel manufacturers regardless of country of origin are getting more reliable as a whole. Unless you have some published data to the contrary, I would say the rest is personal preference. Peter M.
ozcal Posted March 4, 2005 Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Gordon,Being skeptical about build quality, reliability, and overall performance is a healthy way to apparoach the purchase of anything A/V except for HTIB (Home Theatre in a Box) in which case you pretty much get what you pay for. Over the last 30 years I have had 4 audio processors. 2 from Bang & Olufsun which both had to be repaired. And an Onkyo 575 as well as a Denon 5800/03. I have only had the latter 2 for the last 6 and 4 years respectively. The Onkyo and the Denon rarely get turned off and I've never had an incling of a problem. I feel manufacturers regardless of country of origin are getting more reliable as a whole. Unless you have some published data to the contrary, I would say the rest is personal preference. Peter M. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Peter, I made no statement as regards reliability of any product but I agree with your commnets on that matter.As for sound quality the personal preference comment is one that I have heard many times over the years and of course as the customer is paying the money it is up to him /her to decide, however my experience has been that the majority of musically aware listners prefer the American/European route as being the more realistic ,more high fidelity way to go.Yamaha have in many ways been pioneers in the field of home theater and their effects processing has generally been at or near the top of the japanese lines however their basic amp design offers only average and definetly not high-end performance.Denon have also won many accolades for their dvd players , recievers and ht preamps but personal comparisons with equipment like Rotel ,Arcam ,Linn , Meridian etc have shown the Denon equipment to be highly competent but not front rank.My personal oppinons are reinforced by friends, colleauges ,reviewers and most importantly customers. So in the end I believe there is a little bit more to it than just personal preference. Gordon
petermwilson Posted March 4, 2005 Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Gordon, Absolutely, if you don't listen to you customers you go out of business. What most people have trouble wrapping their mind around is that sound quality starts with the software and goes backwords from there. I have over 300 combination dvd-a and sacd discs. These are excelent demo products by and large because (for someone familiar witha oiece odf music) this HIREZ software brings out the best and the worst from the components as you go up the chain. I just hope the people in Oz don't make the same mistake made by many here in North America. The tendency has been so spend the bulk of the budget on a display device leaving precious lilttle for sound and having to settle for mediocre quality speakers and processing. Peter M.
ritesh Posted March 4, 2005 Posted March 4, 2005 Hi Gordon,Being skeptical about build quality, reliability, and overall performance is a healthy way to apparoach the purchase of anything A/V except for HTIB (Home Theatre in a Box) in which case you pretty much get what you pay for. Over the last 30 years I have had 4 audio processors. 2 from Bang & Olufsun which both had to be repaired. And an Onkyo 575 as well as a Denon 5800/03. I have only had the latter 2 for the last 6 and 4 years respectively. The Onkyo and the Denon rarely get turned off and I've never had an incling of a problem. I feel manufacturers regardless of country of origin are getting more reliable as a whole. Unless you have some published data to the contrary, I would say the rest is personal preference. Peter M. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Peter, I made no statement as regards reliability of any product but I agree with your commnets on that matter.As for sound quality the personal preference comment is one that I have heard many times over the years and of course as the customer is paying the money it is up to him /her to decide, however my experience has been that the majority of musically aware listners prefer the American/European route as being the more realistic ,more high fidelity way to go.Yamaha have in many ways been pioneers in the field of home theater and their effects processing has generally been at or near the top of the japanese lines however their basic amp design offers only average and definetly not high-end performance.Denon have also won many accolades for their dvd players , recievers and ht preamps but personal comparisons with equipment like Rotel ,Arcam ,Linn , Meridian etc have shown the Denon equipment to be highly competent but not front rank.My personal oppinons are reinforced by friends, colleauges ,reviewers and most importantly customers. So in the end I believe there is a little bit more to it than just personal preference. Gordon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I didn't want to get into this, but what the heck.... Firstly, I'll be upfront I don't own things like Meridian etc.; so experience is purely from auditioning, and listening at friends' etc. I don't think I share this division of sound quality based on US vs Europe vs Japan etc. (ok may be only during subjective talking at low end AVRs but definately not at mid or high-end gear). There is no way I'd put Meridian in the same sentence as Yamaha or even Denon; they are USUALLY totally different price ranges ! Many of the vendors you have listed above, from the likes of Rotel, Arcam etc. usually have excellent pre-pro and seperate Amp. lines and they excel at that. If you do want to compare someone with these ones; I'd pick something like Integra not Yamaha. Further, I would never compare any AVR with a seperate Pre-Pro; when we are talking sound quality, as there is usually a night and day difference ! This particular AVR from Denon, is one rare beasts (for being totally out of the usual price-range from Denon), but still when we are talking AVRs we are talking mainly "features" aka HDMI switching, iLink, Upconvesions, Analog Video Bandwidth, Number of channels, Number of various inputs, etc. etc. and thus money IS going equally towards features than other attributes like SQ...... If we look at the DACs being used in various so called, European, Japanese or US companies, when you get down to it they all have same if not similar DACs (wolffsons, or cirrus, or burr-brown etc.). I am not saying DACs are everything, but it gives you an idea that some core attributes might even be shared across continents.... Main point being, let's compare similar beasts ...... So for this particular AVR from Denon, in terms of features, I can think of the Integra DPR 10.5; with similar feature-set (except less amp. channels)..... if we discuss SQ being the prime criteria, it is a different topic. Ritesh
betty boop Posted March 4, 2005 Author Posted March 4, 2005 when I posted this little snippet of info on the behemoth I had no idea it would have such interest ! Hopefully though we can keep it out of becoming a uk/europe/america vs japan/china bashing thread. I can only talk from the hifi perspective here and with the limited high end avr exposure I've had. Typically its been my experience that rotel pre/pwr setups for instance blow away a comparable priced avr for instance. Guess just too many compromises in squashing all that stuff in the two boxes into one and all the reasons why pre/pro's are so good. There is a cost arument though that can sometimes swing the argument the otherway especially when you start heading into the middle to high ground. For instance when you buy two boxes you paying for two boxes - the boxes themselves can be quite a proportion of the price given the amount of cometics applied to boxes these days. And then your paying for two sets of controls & other electronics etc would could be shared. There are many case I can think off - certainly in the hifi side of things where a good integrated amp eg. a $3,000-$4,000 musical fidelity or say a arcam or cyrus integrated amp will thrash a comparitive stereo pre amp/pwr amp $4,000 setup. Infact for a stereo pre-pwr setup I'd spend nothing less than $6,000-$8,000 any less and you end up with compromises. But this is on the stereo and hifi side I'd be interested what experiences people have had on the ht side of things. And I'm talking actuall owning / testing experiences here not speculation please. On the ht side of things as far as integrated avr vs pre-pro setup. One particular product that really stands out for me is this particular one. the primare sp21. http://www.sumikoaudio.net/primare/products/spa21.htm I auditioned this about a year or so ago. Primarily in wondering whether to replace mi hifi & ht setup wit hone unit which did both well. I was very impressed. Its bare bones - no fancy features. It is extremely good with music and pretty decent with ht too. It does not use the same dacs and electronics as the japanes units and its own primare developed processor. Cost in oz at the time was $6,000 with probably a realistic street price of $5000-$5,500. I did n't end up buying as unit was not as good as my stereo pre-amp/pwr amp setup for music - again probably too many compromises. But do wonder how something like this would compare with say a rotel pre-pwr setup of equivalent cost. But then again I think when we talking the behemoth at $12,999 or the yamaha z9 I think we talking in a different league hopefully. What are we comparing against here if we were talking pre/pro pwr setups from the brands listed. I honestly do not think we can even talk arcam in comparing here. Their prepro pwr setups start at $16,996 http://www.carltonaudiovisual.com.au/?q=node/view/219 and we could not be comparing to their $3000-$4000 avrs either her I imagine. And as ritesh said we can't talk meridian here either as we'd be talking well past this price range too. And as far as linn. Which particualr product here we talking about. And same too with the americans which ones we talking here. I think too the japanese have invented a niche segment here of beast AVRs. Think lets compare them here. the likes of the yamz9 or the denon behemoth or the integra 10.5 ritesh suggests. If were comparing with any other brands or products please lists some specifics so we know what were talking about.
glenncol Posted March 5, 2005 Posted March 5, 2005 Hi Gordon,Being skeptical about build quality, reliability, and overall performance is a healthy way to apparoach the purchase of anything A/V except for HTIB (Home Theatre in a Box) in which case you pretty much get what you pay for. Over the last 30 years I have had 4 audio processors. 2 from Bang & Olufsun which both had to be repaired. And an Onkyo 575 as well as a Denon 5800/03. I have only had the latter 2 for the last 6 and 4 years respectively. The Onkyo and the Denon rarely get turned off and I've never had an incling of a problem. I feel manufacturers regardless of country of origin are getting more reliable as a whole. Unless you have some published data to the contrary, I would say the rest is personal preference. Peter M. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Peter, I made no statement as regards reliability of any product but I agree with your commnets on that matter.As for sound quality the personal preference comment is one that I have heard many times over the years and of course as the customer is paying the money it is up to him /her to decide, however my experience has been that the majority of musically aware listners prefer the American/European route as being the more realistic ,more high fidelity way to go.Yamaha have in many ways been pioneers in the field of home theater and their effects processing has generally been at or near the top of the japanese lines however their basic amp design offers only average and definetly not high-end performance.Denon have also won many accolades for their dvd players , recievers and ht preamps but personal comparisons with equipment like Rotel ,Arcam ,Linn , Meridian etc have shown the Denon equipment to be highly competent but not front rank.My personal oppinons are reinforced by friends, colleauges ,reviewers and most importantly customers. So in the end I believe there is a little bit more to it than just personal preference. Gordon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Gordon I would agree 110% about the Yamaha audio side on thier receivers body if thats the right word and can be very bright from my experiences . I beg to differ on the processing side alth Yamaha may be pioneers in the field of processing i have found that thier standard sound fields ,DD and DTS to lack some information. Yeas they have 16,000 other sound fields built in but i dont know of one person that would use any of them. I also agree with your comments on the Denons as far as receivers go they would be my pick but its a little unfair to mention denon and Rotel in the same breath as Linn and Meridian and unless i have missed something Meridian dont make a receiver. As pointed out bu Al the Rotel pre\pro combo will give any Jap receiver a run for its money irrespective of price for SQ maybe not features
petermwilson Posted March 5, 2005 Posted March 5, 2005 Hi, If you look at the specs of the Denon 5805 it''sound processing it's pretty much like gluing a couple of 5803's to-gether for channels (but not entirely) and adding on some bells and whistles to deal with demands that may come down the pike in a couple of years. If you doubled up the Amp channels you'd have a hell of a powerful and clean 5.2 system at (argueably) 340w perch. From an SQ perspective you might want to check out professional reviewers comments on the 5803 when it came out. It was touted as the first AV that could compete with "HighEnd Separates" not mid or low HighEnd. All that really meant to me was that if the rest of the bells and whistles were important to what I was trying to accomplish in my HT, I wouldn't have to give up sound quality to get the other features. Little things like two full sets of analog inputs and being able to do speaker delay to 2 3/4cm or 1/12 ft. while running 9 speakers. Like many of you I've never been too impressed with multiple DSP modes like Rock Stadium and the like but I have to say a feature that really did impress me I found by accident. I was watching a film at my normal volumes in DTS mode one evening when my wife sais she was going to bed and would I turn it down. I had yet to try Dolby Headphone which was a feature included in the upgrade of my 5800 to about 95% 5803 status. When I plugged in the headphones I got two great supprises, first was a true 5.1 sense in my head which (believe it or not) made headphone listening much less tiring. The second was unbelievable I saw the faceplate on the Denon go DTS + Dolby H. Another feature in the upgrade I found by accident was when I played a cd through my Panny RP82 dvd player just to see what it sounded like and I saw the face of the Denon go PCM 88.2. When I checked the Panny's manual it stated that it had an upsampling feature to 88.2 from 44.1. It went on to say that you should check the capabilities of your reciever because even though many allow for 96 vey few did 88.2 The last little thing that is impressibly noticable is Pure Direct mode which when engaged while playing music turns off all video circuitry in the unit to prevent crosstalk. Those of you that are purists are probably not impressed. Thats fine, theres room for all of us. If i could afford to have a sparate music room and the money to populate it with Audiophile type equipment, I would go back to the beginning and get a record player, but now their $10,000.00 and it's extra for the arm and the needle. I told my dad not to throw that Dual out. Peter M.
OzHTfan Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 I totally missed the thread originally and accidently googled it while looking for info on the new A1XV DVD. I traded up to an A1XV amp from my Denon A1-SE for $6000. I wouldn't have committed to $12k in one hit mind you. This amp is one awesome piece of kit, coming from a pretty high end separates owner. It is frighteningly close to the capabilities of my Meridian based separate system. The new audessey DSP EQ system does wonders and comes very close to the Meridian Digital Room Correction system. I have used the Bi-amp mode for the from speakers to give me 240w, which is nice step up in power. The built in Ferouja digital switcher/scaler is a nice piece thing as well, as a stand alone it would be worth a fair sum. I'm giving this new Denon flagship two big thumbs up. Denon have continued to take integrated processing amps to new levels
Spearmint Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 I totally missed the thread originally and accidently googled it while looking for info on the new A1XV DVD. I traded up to an A1XV amp from my Denon A1-SE for $6000. I wouldn't have committed to $12k in one hit mind you. This amp is one awesome piece of kit, coming from a pretty high end separates owner. It is frighteningly close to the capabilities of my Meridian based separate system. The new audessey DSP EQ system does wonders and comes very close to the Meridian Digital Room Correction system. I have used the Bi-amp mode for the from speakers to give me 240w, which is nice step up in power. The built in Ferouja digital switcher/scaler is a nice piece thing as well, as a stand alone it would be worth a fair sum. I'm giving this new Denon flagship two big thumbs up. Denon have continued to take integrated processing amps to new levels <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow!!! Nice upgrade there OzHTfan
OzHTfan Posted April 4, 2005 Posted April 4, 2005 Wow!!!Nice upgrade there OzHTfan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, I think it will keep me happy HT sound-wise for some time to come
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