Guest rmpfyf Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Meanwhile, Pedja Rogic is now offering his USB>I2S+simultaneous solution in a box for all the PCM fans out there... https://www.audialonline.com/topics/usb-to-simultaneous-data-or-i2s-converter-series-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 32 minutes ago, rmpfyf said: Meanwhile, Pedja Rogic is now offering his USB>I2S+simultaneous solution in a box for all the PCM fans out there... https://www.audialonline.com/topics/usb-to-simultaneous-data-or-i2s-converter-series-2/ A little bit more pricey than the other chinese units!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, scumbag said: A little bit more pricey than the other chinese units!!!! Not being made in China may have something to do with this For those seeking PCM only this may be a better scalpel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, rmpfyf said: Not being made in China may have something to do with this For those seeking PCM only this may be a better scalpel. Better steel costs more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I have just been reading what mods can be done to the Singxer SU1. Kitune does a tuned edition or upgrade if you have bought your SIngxer from them. Sound Affairs does an external power supply kit with two price levels. Has anyone had any experience with any upgrades to their Singxers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, BAM said: I have just been reading what mods can be done to the Singxer SU1. Kitune does a tuned edition or upgrade if you have bought your SIngxer from them. Sound Affairs does an external power supply kit with two price levels. Has anyone had any experience with any upgrades to their Singxers? $930 AUD. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 The Sound Affairs prices are: Elementa external power supply . $450 US Elite external power supply. $750 US So yes, ouch. I have read that upgrading caps, regulators and transformer can give great results but it is a bit of a leap of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jventer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 46 minutes ago, BAM said: I have just been reading what mods can be done to the Singxer SU1. Kitune does a tuned edition or upgrade if you have bought your SIngxer from them. Sound Affairs does an external power supply kit with two price levels. Has anyone had any experience with any upgrades to their Singxers? It is a very long read, but the info is in there. Will try to find the exact details later today. http://www.usaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1172 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky500 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Thanks scumbag. Edited May 18, 2017 by rocky500 wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rocky500 said: Another video where they have a membrane of some sort in front to keep the room more lively. At the 8mins 48 seconds. I was going different materials. Any tips if someone else has tried? Did you mean to post in another thread by any chance? Edited May 18, 2017 by scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 And the video doesn't seem to do for 8. 48 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky500 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, scumbag said: Did you mean to post in another thread by any chance? Thanks scumbag. I went looking for my post and could not find it! Now in the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, rocky500 said: Thanks scumbag. I went looking for my post and could not find it! Now in the correct one. I tracked it down already. Should a been a detective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m_james Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I just wonder if this unit is an upgrade from the units already on offer if SPDIF is the only input your DAC has available. Considering there is said to be inferior quality with that input. Some other units plug straight into the DAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours ago, m_james said: I just wonder if this unit is an upgrade from the units already on offer if SPDIF is the only input your DAC has available. Considering there is said to be inferior quality with that input. Some other units plug straight into the DAC. This my take on this. Most music server manufacturers agree that USB is superior to spdif e.g. Antipodes Audio. Having said this USB is not perfect. Units like Singxer receives the imperfect USB and converts it to a more perfect Spdif. If my Antipodes music server had spdif out I could do a comparison. If your DAC only receives spdif you must have a server/ computer that does spdif out which in theory is inferior to a USB (unconverted) output. My next experiment is determining how good I2s is using a quality HDMI cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m_james Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, BAM said: This my take on this. Most music server manufacturers agree that USB is superior to spdif e.g. Antipodes Audio. Having said this USB is not perfect. Units like Singxer receives the imperfect USB and converts it to a more perfect Spdif. If my Antipodes music server had spdif out I could do a comparison. If your DAC only receives spdif you must have a server/ computer that does spdif out which in theory is inferior to a USB (unconverted) output. My next experiment is determining how good I2s is using a quality HDMI cable. Yes I understand the importance of spdif converters, I was just interested in comparing the Singxer to other converters. Probably need to do an audition to determine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 3 hours ago, m_james said: I just wonder if this unit is an upgrade from the units already on offer if SPDIF is the only input your DAC has available. Considering there is said to be inferior quality with that input. Some other units plug straight into the DAC. USB has in the past been generally regarded as inferior to the SPDIF input on DAC's in the past. There are exceptions to this rule such as Clay's Klien DAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest m_james Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, scumbag said: USB has in the past been generally regarded as inferior to the SPDIF input on DAC's in the past. There are exceptions to this rule such as Clay's Klien DAC. I was thinking of more of HDMI, BNC than USB in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Just now, m_james said: I was thinking of more of HDMI, BNC than USB in particular. Righto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, m_james said: Yes I understand the importance of spdif converters, I was just interested in comparing the Singxer to other converters. Probably need to do an audition to determine that. If you can get access to a loaner of the yellotec puc2 you really should have a listen. The xmos sounds great but the Puc2, in my experience brings an organic feel to my digital system. It's not going to grab your in the same way as an xmos based unit but the Puc2 allows you to listen fatigue free for hours. As always it's a matter of balance. In the system i am running at the moment with a devaliet there is already tonnes of detail so the xmos units that I've owned have tipped things too far into detail whereas the Puc2 restores balance. I've found using an ifi iusb great to feed the Puc2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jventer Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 9 hours ago, m_james said: Yes I understand the importance of spdif converters, I was just interested in comparing the Singxer to other converters. Probably need to do an audition to determine that. There are many of these comparisons by others on the net. Over at Computeraudiophile especially. I think @scumbag has given a good explanation. If you are looking at non usb: I did look at that in the past: J Kenny (Jkeny), Sonore and Bel Canto had products, in other words they are not current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jventer said: There are many of these comparisons by others on the net. Over at Computeraudiophile especially. I think @scumbag has given a good explanation. If you are looking at non usb: I did look at that in the past: J Kenny (Jkeny), Sonore and Bel Canto had products, in other words they are not current. And I'm not in any way trying to discount the opinions of many users or there that have found the xmos to be a revelation. But yes, things have moved on. There is a new guard and the xmos chip for many leaves the older solutions behind. Edited May 18, 2017 by scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, scumbag said: USB has in the past been generally regarded as inferior to the SPDIF input on DAC's in the past. There are exceptions to this rule such as Clay's Klien DAC. Unlikely. It's just timing, timing, timing. i.e. Jitter. Clays' Klein at last count uses an Amanero - not the last word in USB-source jitter. This isn't a criticism, more just a suggestion that there's better out there, and that what's in the Klein is somewhat ubiquitous. Edited May 19, 2017 by rmpfyf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assisi Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jventer said: There are many of these comparisons by others on the net. Over at Computeraudiophile especially. I think @scumbag has given a good explanation. If you are looking at non usb: I did look at that in the past: J Kenny (Jkeny), Sonore and Bel Canto had products, in other words they are not current. If anybody wants to read the definitive thread on converters on CA, this is the link. There are 600 posts but it is interesting reading if you have the time. I bought Berkeley based upon the results https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/15026-15-usbspdif-converters-shootout/. John Edited May 19, 2017 by Assisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Assisi said: If anybody wants to read the definitive thread on converters on CA, this is the link. There are 600 posts but it is interesting reading if you have the time. I bought Berkeley based upon the results https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/15026-15-usbspdif-converters-shootout/. John I usually start reading these threads then give up before the end. It doesn't help when members of the forum start flame wars with each other. Edited May 19, 2017 by scumbag things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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