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There are so many Rudd Gillard fans on this page.Stop using coal and shut down industry so Australia will be clean and save the world and pay the highest electricity prices .

At the same time record COAL EXPORTS to China together with our lost industry. We might have to build a WALL to keep out China's Pollution.

Where is Trump when we need him...

 

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  On 11/02/2017 at 5:38 AM, Stump said:

There are so many Rudd Gillard fans on this page.Stop using coal and shut down industry so Australia will be clean and save the world and pay the highest electricity prices .

At the same time record COAL EXPORTS to China together with our lost industry. We might have to build a WALL to keep out China's Pollution.

Where is Trump when we need him...

 

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and yes send them all the gas we have as well so it bumps up the price of that as a cleaner source :D

 

yep the stupidity is astounding

 

shut down coal as its too dirty.

 

dont build any cleaner coal unit like germany is doing

 

and dont invest in any alternatives the likes of which germany is doing

 

is it really that hard to comprehend ? i wouldnt have thought ! 

 

so no bump up our energy price to the point investing in industry seems non sensical given one of the basic inputs ...energy is so much it makes it unviable. 

 

working for global multi nationals when they came visit they couldnt fathom the utilities pricing we have here ! 

 

and we have cheap coal ???? 

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I find it interesting that the "owners" of Stanwell have told the company to deliver them quite a few more million this years than in previous years.  Now I'm not a management type so I don't really understand how these things work but if a power generation company is told to "give more money" to their bosses then that can't help but end up increasing the price of power somehow, right?  I should point out here that the "owners" are the state government, so take of that what you will.

 

I also find the closure of Hazelwood to be very interesting.  I would say that the Victoria is the least likely state to be affected by this as Victoria regularly exports power to NSW, SA and Tasmania so reducing generation capacity in Victoria is much more likely to affect those other three states as the power will not be available to be exported.

 

Oh well, at least QLD still has a comfortable excess of generation capacity.  I wonder how long that will last.

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  On 11/02/2017 at 2:37 AM, proftournesol said:

Given that we have no nuclear industry to speak of apart from one small experimental reactor, we would effectively have to sort a home grown nuclear industry from scratch and its been estimated that it would take 20 years to do that build and commission a plant even without an hurdles. It would also be a significant user of water resources and so have an impact on local farming. Then of course there's the issue with waste and the fact that nuclear power is not cost competitive now and certainly won't be cost competitive with PV and battery storage by the time that it's completed. That means even more expensive power

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Nuclear power is not a secret and we could get one built nearly as fast as a Desal Plant when we were screaming about drought.

Hmmm, now where to put it?

Well how about that! that takes care of the water issue , fancy that they work well together.

Nuclear Power and Desal!!

 

 

Well wow what a coincidence, why not put it in Gippsland near the Desal which for some reason ended up in Gippsland?

Miracle? Nope!!

Another coincidence Hazelwood and Loy Yang are in Gippsland!!

Power tramsmission infrastructure are in place!!

 

The only thing though is if they rush it like the Desal, it won't work.

We'll get it delivered DOA!

 

It may not happen this decade but it will happen!:)

 

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Hazelwood reached it's natural lifespan in 2006. 11 years ago. Its being decommissioned now because Engie, the owners see the writing on the wall and it's too expensive to upgrade. The open pit fire damage is going to cost at least $500 million to rehabilitate and it's possible the Engie will just walk away and leave the taxpayer to foot the bill. The extreme antipathy from the COAL-ition to alternative energy means that there is no bipartisan continuity on energy policy. 

One nuclear plant won't meet Australia's needs we'd need 15, do you know how expensive they are and how expensive the power would be? Do you realise that the present plants can only operate at all because the taxpayer covers the huge decommissioning costs. It'll never happen.

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  On 11/02/2017 at 6:50 AM, Cafad said:

I find it interesting that the "owners" of Stanwell have told the company to deliver them quite a few more million this years than in previous years.  Now I'm not a management type so I don't really understand how these things work but if a power generation company is told to "give more money" to their bosses then that can't help but end up increasing the price of power somehow, right?  I should point out here that the "owners" are the state government, so take of that what you will.

 

I also find the closure of Hazelwood to be very interesting.  I would say that the Victoria is the least likely state to be affected by this as Victoria regularly exports power to NSW, SA and Tasmania so reducing generation capacity in Victoria is much more likely to affect those other three states as the power will not be available to be exported.

 

Oh well, at least QLD still has a comfortable excess of generation capacity.  I wonder how long that will last.

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I suppose we could ration the other states when we need it.

Unfortunately, when it's cracking high temps down here, yes funny isn't it?:sarc:

But all those A/Cs do put a hell of a drain on power as everyone gets home.

 

And if we haven't got anything that we can throttle up as the demand rises near instantly I wonder who they will ration it too?

 

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  On 11/02/2017 at 7:24 AM, proftournesol said:

Hazelwood reached it's natural lifespan in 2006. 11 years ago. Its being decommissioned now because Engie, the owners see the writing on the wall and it's too expensive to upgrade. The open pit fire damage is going to cost at least $500 million to rehabilitate and it's possible the Engie will just walk away and leave the taxpayer to foot the bill. The extreme antipathy from the COAL-ition to alternative energy means that there is no bipartisan continuity on energy policy. 

One nuclear plant won't meet Australia's needs we'd need 15, do you know how expensive they are and how expensive the power would be? Do you realise that the present plants can only operate at all because the taxpayer covers the huge decommissioning costs. It'll never happen.

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We have Nuclear fuel and lots of it, we export it to countries who charge less than we do for the power it produces.

No one for Australia won't be enough but would be for Melbourne. (Ya know tha Gippsland place)

How expensive?

Does it matter, they will work rain hail or shine and at night without a breath of air.

 

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  On 11/02/2017 at 5:27 AM, Whites said:

Another super hot day in Sydney. It's days like this that I am glad there has been "gold plating" of the network as there has been no power outages where I live. :)

 

 

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Good point, remember when you were a kid, blackouts every time there was a decent clap of thunder, haha.

 

No one ever acknowledges improvement.

 

Besides, I'm the greenest of the lot of you! I have no AC!

 

Anyone got a spare room tonight? Even the floor will be OK.

 

A lot of the anti-coal-nuclear-mob remind me of when clean two-stroke motor technology was emerging, right when everyone was calling them two smokers etc and we were all starting to get warm and fuzzy/guilty about the earth (which usually resulted in more consuming).

 

An Aussie mob came out with clean two stroke technology which went nowhere because it wasn't fashionable, it allowed motors to make more power with less fuel and emissions etc etc and they went broke so had to sell it off to some big mob who no doubt wanted it buried, haha, and still we blame everyone else for where we are. I think it was Hunwick-Hallam?? Don't quote me on that, it was pre-internet and nothing comes up on a Google, it was in the bike mags.

 

Last I heard, Renault are experimenting with spookily similar technology within two stroke diesel motors.

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I only have air con in my bedroom. I went up to the local shopping centre this afternoon to escape the heat in my house. Even the floorboards feel warm !

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  On 11/02/2017 at 7:32 AM, joz said:

 

We have Nuclear fuel and lots of it, we export it to countries who charge less than we do for the power it produces.

No one for Australia won't be enough but would be for Melbourne. (Ya know tha Gippsland place)

How expensive?

Does it matter, they will work rain hail or shine and at night without a breath of air.

 

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Well yes it does matter because we can achieve energy security for less money that will provide cheaper power

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  On 11/02/2017 at 8:03 AM, proftournesol said:

Well yes it does matter because we can achieve energy security for less money that will provide cheaper power

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Sorry Prof, if it is cheaper to produce it will only mean bigger profits for the original investors/shareholders. It will never be cheaper for the end user whilst ever there is privatised power. Nor should it be, this is the free market in action, supply and demand and all that.

 

There could no doubt be security for less money but the end user will never pay less. Look at the solar initiatives of the last 10 years forgawdsakes.

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I don't care where you build a nuclear power plant as long as it isnt in Point Cook like that little guy with the coke bottle glasses who introduced the gst and Bracks idea that he can't stop the  go ahead on Commonwealth Land!   They can build it next to that white elephant water refinery because nuclear power plants need lots of water!

 

 

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/canberra-can-force-reactor-on-state-bracks/2007/05/30/1180205338520.html

 

 

 

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Not just nuclear ones, all thermal power stations need lots of water.  Unless they use dry condensers, but there aren't too many of those.

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How about Canberra they got a nice big lake there.

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  On 11/02/2017 at 10:00 AM, rantan said:

 

So you like the idea but it's a case of NIMBY, right?:)

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To be honest, these air heads have just about tried to place everything there.

 

jeff Kennett thought it was a ripper of an idea to put a toxic waste disposal right in the middle of our vegetable food bowl in Werribee.  

Johnny Howard indicated a nuclear power station would suit Point Cook.

Daniel Andrews gave the go ahead to build a $280M high security correction facility in Werribee Sth.

Its like if you wanna build something the community needs but don't want in your  backyard let's dump it Point Cook!  After all it's got the highest number of roundabouts so building a high security correction facility makes sense yeah, it's impossible to get out of Point Cook in the mornings so why would you make it a high tech high security prison, if they escape they will be stuck in traffic just like the rest of us!   :D

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  On 11/02/2017 at 5:38 AM, Stump said:

There are so many Rudd Gillard fans on this page.Stop using coal and shut down industry so Australia will be clean and save the world and pay the highest electricity prices .

At the same time record COAL EXPORTS to China together with our lost industry. We might have to build a WALL to keep out China's Pollution.

Where is Trump when we need him...

 

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I see you are still frothing at the mouth about Rudd and Gillard. They are ancient history now and you've got jelly back Mal to fcuk things up, or will they ditch him and then the world full of dog fcukers will be saved by Cory

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  On 11/02/2017 at 10:22 AM, Addicted to music said:

 

To be honest, these air heads have just about tried to place everything there.

!After all it's got the highest number of roundabouts so building a high security correction facility makes sense yeah, it's impossible to get out of Point Cook in the mornings so why would you make it a high tech high security prison, if they escape they will be stuck in traffic just like the rest of us!   :D

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Gotta love roundabouts. Best invention ever

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  On 11/02/2017 at 8:47 AM, Addicted to music said:

I don't care where you build a nuclear power plant as long as it isnt in Point Cook like that little guy with the coke bottle glasses who introduced the gst and Bracks idea that he can't stop the  go ahead on Commonwealth Land!   They can build it next to that white elephant water refinery because nuclear power plants need lots of water!

 

 

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/canberra-can-force-reactor-on-state-bracks/2007/05/30/1180205338520.html

 

 

 

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The Desalination plant is a so called White Elephant now. The next time we endure a prolonged drought and the water catchments get as low as they did 5 years ago it will be seen as a great bit of forward planning.

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  On 11/02/2017 at 11:09 AM, Saxon Hall said:

The Desalination plant is a so called White Elephant now. The next time we endure a prolonged drought and the water catchments get as low as they did 5 years ago it will be seen as a great bit of forward planning.

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Yes agree that it has to be built, so a nuclear power plant would operate nicely next to it!   

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe it hasn't deliver a drop of refined sea water because when it was commission to do so it broke down.  And we are paying big time through our water rates.

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  On 11/02/2017 at 11:21 AM, Addicted to music said:

 

Yes agree that it has to be built, so a nuclear power plant would operate nicely next to it!   

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe it hasn't deliver a drop of refined sea water because when it was commission to do so it broke down.  And we are paying big time through our water rates.

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It has not needed to.

But when it does I will eagerly await the apology from Mudochs rag the Herald Sun that has been mocking it for years.

Anyway, back on topic

I doubt Nuclear Power will be generated in Australia in my lifetime.

With the advances in battery technology and  solar technology, why should we risk another 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima?

That is 3 major incidents since 1979.

3 too many IMO

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  On 11/02/2017 at 8:47 AM, Addicted to music said:

I don't care where you build a nuclear power plant as long as it isnt in Point Cook like that little guy with the coke bottle glasses who introduced the gst and Bracks idea that he can't stop the  go ahead on Commonwealth Land!   They can build it next to that white elephant water refinery because nuclear power plants need lots of water!

 

 

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/canberra-can-force-reactor-on-state-bracks/2007/05/30/1180205338520.html

 

 

 

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Don't worry, Point Cook is par of the largest growth corridors, it will all be residential between Melb and Geelong. 

 

 

  On 11/02/2017 at 11:09 AM, Saxon Hall said:

The Desalination plant is a so called White Elephant now. The next time we endure a prolonged drought and the water catchments get as low as they did 5 years ago it will be seen as a great bit of forward planning.

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If they can fix it, as I mentioned earlier it was delivered DOA and has never produced water. Also thank goodness for that, only Andrews could place a $30mill order when our dams are near capacity.

He likes tearing up $$

 

 

  On 11/02/2017 at 11:21 AM, Addicted to music said:

 

Yes agree that it has to be built, so a nuclear power plant would operate nicely next to it!   

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe it hasn't deliver a drop of refined sea water because when it was commission to do so it broke down.  And we are paying big time through our water rates.

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Correcto!

 

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