33 minutes ago, Sentient said:

 

I've observed a bit of a trend over the last 5 years in hifi circles,, that trend is, if it's an active implementation, it has to be digitally based.  We get more flexibility, eq, etc etc.

 

But, an analog based active implementation, still offers real and tangible improvements, IME and IMO.  Hifi enthusiasts who love their analog sources can still embrace the active approach, without digitizing the signal to do it.

 

 

I used analogue active XOs for 20 years or so with my Maggies - and they worked just fine (Rod Elliott's P09 ... except modified to deliver 18dB / 12dB slopes).  So my TT signal stayed all analogue ... and there was a D2A conversion on my CDP.

 

However, when I moved into a new house, I added a pair of sealed subs - these were positioned about 1.2m further away from my ears than the Maggies ... so I needed to be able to delay the Maggies, to time-align them with the subs.  This required me to change from using analogue active XOs to digital active XOs (miniDSP).  I don't regard this as a backward step.  

 

On 13/09/2022 at 8:55 AM, andyr said:

However, when I moved into a new house, I added a pair of sealed subs - these were positioned about 1.2m further away from my ears than the Maggies ... so I needed to be able to delay the Maggies, to time-align them with the subs.  This required me to change from using analogue active XOs to digital active XOs (miniDSP).  I don't regard this as a backward step.  

I can acknowledge the added flexibility of running a digital crossover. 

 

Going active doesnt mean that everyone *must* adopt the digital crossover approach.    One can build a great sounding all analogue based active hifi system.   And those who are invested in vinyl, shouldnt shy away from an active system built around an analog active crossover. IMO   

 

I will play with a digital crossover sooner or later, because curiosity will get the better of me.   But I will always have systems with analogue front ends.

36 minutes ago, Sentient said:

Going active doesn't mean that everyone *must* adopt the digital crossover approach.    One can build a great sounding all analogue based active hifi system.   And those who are invested in vinyl, shouldnt shy away from an active system built around an analog active crossover. IMO

 

True, dat!  

 

36 minutes ago, Sentient said:

I will play with a digital crossover sooner or later, because curiosity will get the better of me.   But I will always have systems with analogue front ends.

 

As do I - vinyl is my "sit down and listen" experience.

 

On 13/09/2022 at 8:55 AM, andyr said:

However, when I moved into a new house, I added a pair of sealed subs - these were positioned about 1.2m further away from my ears than the Maggies ... so I needed to be able to delay the Maggies, to time-align them with the subs.  This required me to change from using analogue active XOs to digital active XOs (miniDSP).  I don't regard this as a backward step.  

Properly integrated stereo subs, is usually a step forward. 😇

 

Back in the day, I had a Marchand electronic crossover which had delays. I just looked them up, and Marchand are now offering a 4 way crossover, with delays, 24db slopes.  RRP is exxy, but looks sweeeet.

 

I never tried it, but I'm told people used to time align by introducing longer cables lengths. 🤪 

1 hour ago, Sentient said:

Properly integrated stereo subs, is usually a step forward. 😇

 

Yes, but it shows that going over to the "digital dark side" is not necessarily a retrograde step.

 

1 hour ago, Sentient said:

 

I never tried it, but I'm told people used to time align by introducing longer cables lengths. 🤪 

 

 

I suggest you should look at the speed of electricity travelling along copper wires to work out how long they would need to be, to get even 1ms delay!  

 

13 minutes ago, andyr said:

Yes, but it shows that going over to the "digital dark side" is not necessarily a retrograde step.

I dont believe I used those words, anywhere in this thread.

 

13 minutes ago, andyr said:

I suggest you should look at the speed of electricity travelling along copper wires to work out how long they would need to be, to get even 1ms delay!  

lol,,,, i'm not advocating it, note the emoji used. 🤣🤣🤣

Edited September 23, 20223 yr by Sentient

Speakers moved into the bedroom.  Sounding nice. 😍

 

My bedroom system has an old Kenwood integrated, which has a preout/main in loop.   So I run it out to the swamp, and bring the HF back in.

 

Am using a Rotel multichannel amp for the bass and mid drivers.

 

 

ok, so, the active speaker project that ended up in the home theatre, is about to go through another round of development.

 

As a reminder, here they are, in place.

 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Sentient

I'm planning to add more bass drivers.

 

And they could look like this......

 

 

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Sentient

or this.....

 

I definitely prefer the 'look' of the monster tower.   Although mildly concerned about bass wave cancellation.

 

The latter image will probably blend better, but the aesthetics arent really doing it for me.

 

🤪😎

Plan to implement 4 way active.

with the bass pairs wired in series (or parallel).

Edited February 27, 20233 yr by Sentient

this arrangement coukd also work....

 

hmmm. 🤔

1 hour ago, Sentient said:

I'm planning to add more bass drivers.

 

And they could look like this......

 

 

Was that the Mrs packing her bag……..😀

5 minutes ago, frankn said:

Was that the Mrs packing her bag……..😀

lol, i put the suitcase in there for scale. 🤣

 

havent had to answer to one of those for many years. 😎

kinda leaning towards this, but with an additional box on the right. 🤔

Ok, I got the other box out.

 

Quite like the tower on the right.

 

@Sentientwhat will live between the speaker towers?  I remember my sister once had seahorses and they appeared to react to certain types of music as they would swim up and down vertically in the tank and all other types of music they wouldn’t react. 

1 hour ago, frankn said:

@Sentientwhat will live between the speaker towers?  I remember my sister once had seahorses and they appeared to react to certain types of music as they would swim up and down vertically in the tank and all other types of music they wouldn’t react. 

 

🙂

 

Hey, they're currently standing in a temporary build location.   That empty tank is due to be given away,,, it has developed leaks, and I am not interested in re-sealing it.

 

These towers will end up in my home theatre, if they sound another notch up, on what I did previously?

Edited March 3, 20233 yr by Sentient

4 hours ago, Sentient said:

Ok, I got the other box out.

 

Quite like the tower on the right.

 

Your speaker setup reminds me of B&W Matrix 800.