Guest Muon Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) On 29/10/2012 at 4:03 AM, Whatmore said: And that, I'm afraid is an increasingly prevalent attitude here and one reason why for the first time, I am considering spending my hi-fi forum time elsewhere Good luck finding a forum that it doesn't happen on, at one time or another I was going to do the same another time here, things settle down and It's back to business as usual Edit: Oh! sorry, there will be some, but those ones will restrict the freedom of what you can say regarding experience. Edited October 29, 2012 by datafone
Juicester Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 4:05 AM, blakey72 said: I was joking Whatmore maybe - but I don't think he was...
Jason Sangwin Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 3:59 AM, datafone said: Yeah, we know everything about everything, just like types like you believed 100 years ago. Your like a broken record, or is that Flac file. I haven't said that we know everyhing about everything. Sorry to be a pain but if I have an opinion I will gladly share the reference to the works that helped me form that opinion. Right now the reaction I am getting from you is predictable - it is not because I know everything , it is because The Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm explains this. Due to this positive result I feel I can say that in the past 100 years we have learned something about ourselves
peacewise Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Reading the thread sparked me to wonder what quantities of each colour paint were used in the mona lisa.
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) On 29/10/2012 at 4:08 AM, Juicester said: maybe - but I don't think he was... Haha no I don't think so either. Might be time to turn the channel over and + Edited October 29, 2012 by blakey72
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 4:18 AM, peacewise said: Reading the thread sparked me to wonder what quantities of each colour paint were used in the mona lisa. 2020 litres on the Big Brother house.........
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted October 29, 2012 Volunteer Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 4:05 AM, blakey72 said: I was joking Whatmore Really?? Let's see. You started this thread in this style: On 02/05/2012 at 9:30 AM, blakey72 said: My ears must be shitted then. I went through 4 different amps on my Subsonics before I liked the sound. And my DacMagic seems to make a difference from the 340c DAC. I'm buying cheap **** from now on..... Selling all my gear and off to DSE. God lives and his name is Simon Wright. He's proved me and all my mates over the past 20 years of hifi that we are all wrong. On 02/05/2012 at 10:04 AM, blakey72 said: It's frustrating because he owns the website so people believe the puss that comes out of his mouth. Sorry, I just have much more respect for you guys and wanted to know your opinion. It then went quiet for almost six months until, guess what, he suspended you on whirlpool again. Suddenly we all have to know about it all over again On 23/10/2012 at 6:07 AM, blakey72 said: Simon says............ they all sound the same. No my NAD definitely sounds different to my old Cambridge which sounds different to my Rotel. On 23/10/2012 at 8:46 AM, blakey72 said: I had to I had to. He sent me to the naughty room for two weeks for letting everyone know he's a tool. Anyway, the crowd is much nicer and mature here. Can't compare my Rotel and NAD fairly really as the NAD is a single power amp and the Rotels are bridged stereo power amps. However, I have been here for the past hour or so swapping banana plugs between my Yamaha AX-750 and my NAD C320BEE while cleaning the ears with earbuds and I can here it. Yamaha sounds more similar to Rotel than NAD. My son can here it, the next door neighbor can hear it. No prompts just a change of plugs and a quick description of what they heard. So, early in the thread I asked what your aim was in starting this. On 02/05/2012 at 12:08 PM, Whatmore said: Seems to me there are two possible reasons for this thread 1) someone on a forum that I don't read has said something or done something to annoy you. You've come here to validate your opinion that he's a shmuck. 2) you've come here and asked a Hifi related question on a Hifi forum because you are interested in other peoples opinions - even if they differ from your own. Have I missed anything? Your reply: On 03/05/2012 at 12:26 AM, blakey72 said: It's number 2 Whatmore. I started to doubt my own knowledge and wanted the opinions of some of you guys whom I consider to have greater knowledge than I. So it's really nothing to do with being annoyed. Maybe it's just me, but it looks like reason (1) was probably more accurate. So perhaps if I measure the scientific accurateness of your words you are strictly correct that you were joking about enjoying a good ***fight. But the feeling I get, my unreliable, unmeasurable gut instinct, tells me you didn't start or re-inflamed this thread in order to further your knowledge of our hobby. I've said it before, please take your stoush elsewhere 1
Gee Emm Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 3:21 AM, ehtcom said: Hi Datafone. I plan to set up a ABX blind test comparing the cheapo Russian PIO to the Duelund Alexandra Copper in Oil at the Bathurst GTG 2013. There will be a free Amp up for grabs if anyone can pick "X" ten out of ten. I've spoken to JerryT and he's okay with it (Bathurst GTG home owner). Might even get Rawl, Stevenvalve, Mario to come along, his new best mates Picture hereif you're game Cheers, Earle. Someone who IS prepared to put his money where his mouth is. All we need now is, someone who is prepared to offer money that they CAN detect the difference. Seems fair, dontcha reckon? Graham
Guest Muon Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 Go for it, Graham I have better ways to spend my time :lol:
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 4:38 AM, Whatmore said: I've said it before, please take your stoush elsewhere Since when did you become the SNA police??? I wanted to get opinions of what he said not to start a shitfight. He followed me over here and carried it on so watch where you put the blame pal. And you know what he suspended me for, alerting people to the fact that he can't take anyone telling him he's wrong. posting on multiple threads. Big know it all, huge head, huge ego. I had a very good reputation until that DH decided he knew everything about audio and rubbished everything I said. Then HE SAID on a thread that every amplifier sounds the same at normal listening volumes unless it's broken. I thought that was bollocks and asked what thought I'd start a debate on here. And are you saying you've never dug up a post from the past. I dug it up because I just bought two new amps and compared. And numbnuts binned me so I decided to come over here where I thought people were a little more FRIENDLY. Seems that's not turning out to be the case though. Never had a problem on WP with anyone.
joz Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 2:21 AM, Cafad said: Careful there Jason. First quoting yourself, second quoting yourself in a double post, next up is talking in the third person and after that we have to call the men with the snug white coats and send you off for a nice, quiet relaxing holiday. Yea, next he'll say all the padding in his room is for first reflection and bass absorbtion 1
Juicester Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 5:29 AM, joz said: Yea, next he'll say all the padding in his room is for first reflection and bass absorbtion yes the white walls do look suspiciously padded....
adprom Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 3:23 AM, blakey72 said: And what questions may they be?? Yes Animal Science was my first degree then I went on to do postgrad studies. http://www.uq.edu.au...plan=ELECTX2001 I see a lot of math based subjects but not a whole lot of science subjects. Why are you looking at a university and course stream I didn't even participate in? Although it is clear you don't know what Engineers do and just how much scientific rigour and process there is. You can't do Engineering without having a detailed understanding of scientific method. I still have no idea what point you are trying to make anyway. This thread is still your dummy spit after having your beliefs questioned and yet no logical supported statements have been made.
ehtcom Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 3:29 AM, NIKO said: Hello Earle What about the $1000.00 dollar bet we all talked about, donated to any charity of their choice if people can pick the different between power cables . yassou Hi yassou. With the amp, I'll offer it up for the first to pick ten out of ten, then if none can, I'll whack it on eBay and the money will go to a charity of my choice. (Beyond blue or Royal Children's Hospital). I'm keen to put the capacitor myth to bed Cheers, Earle. 3
Jason Sangwin Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 5:29 AM, joz said: Yea, next he'll say all the padding in his room is for first reflection and bass absorbtion Nicely done
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 6:08 AM, adprom said: Why are you looking at a university and course stream I didn't even participate in? Although it is clear you don't know what Engineers do and just how much scientific rigour and process there is. You can't do Engineering without having a detailed understanding of scientific method. I still have no idea what point you are trying to make anyway. This thread is still your dummy spit after having your beliefs questioned and yet no logical supported statements have been made. Yeah I agree there are scientific methods shared in engineering however engineers aren't scientists. Otherwise why would there be dual degrees of engineering/science. I knew heaps of engineers at uni, they knew about the scientific method however they never went anywhere near as deeply into it as we did.
Guest myrantz Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 6:44 AM, blakey72 said: Yeah I agree there are scientific methods shared in engineering however engineers aren't scientists. Otherwise why would there be dual degrees of engineering/science. I knew heaps of engineers at uni, they knew about the scientific method however they never went anywhere near as deeply into it as we did. +1... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist#Scientists_versus_engineers Quote Engineers and scientists are often confused in the minds of the general public, with the former being closer to applied science. While scientists explore nature in order to discover general principles, engineers apply established principles drawn from science in order to create new inventions and improve upon the old ones.[11][12] In short, scientists study things whereas engineers design things. Horses mouth: http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/engineering-is-not-science Depending on certain issues: Scientists > engineers... :ph34r:
Gee Emm Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 6:16 AM, ehtcom said: Hi yassou. With the amp, I'll offer it up for the first to pick ten out of ten, then if none can, I'll whack it on eBay and the money will go to a charity of my choice. (Beyond blue or Royal Children's Hospital). I'm keen to put the capacitor myth to bed Cheers, Earle. Very Generous Earle I really hope you get some takers (serious moment) What if... Participants have to contribute $10 to play per round, to go towards your favourite charity... I'm in I know I won't be able to do it, but it's all in the name of science & the money is going where it is needed. Graham
vic Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 28/10/2012 at 2:41 PM, kajak12 said: If your ever in perth i can demo for you just what isolation cones under my amp/dac and transport can do blind if you like (i will have spare batteries for hearing aids if needed) Kajak12, does use a valve based dac and valve amp and power supply ,both highly modified.Amp is a one of a kind. He doesn't use an Avr or have the speakers Simon mentioned Fwiw .
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) On 29/10/2012 at 6:16 AM, ehtcom said: Hi yassou. With the amp, I'll offer it up for the first to pick ten out of ten, then if none can, I'll whack it on eBay and the money will go to a charity of my choice. (Beyond blue or Royal Children's Hospital). I'm keen to put the capacitor myth to bed Cheers, Earle. That would be very interesting indeed. Worth the 4 hour drive for sure. I think I know someone else here that might be keen too. How about $10 minimum Edited October 29, 2012 by blakey72
Simon Wright Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 (With apologies to Whatmore) On 29/10/2012 at 5:06 AM, blakey72 said: Since when did you become the SNA police??? I wanted to get opinions of what he said not to start a shitfight. He followed me over here and carried it on so watch where you put the blame pal. I'm only here because you insulted and misquoted me in a public forum. On 29/10/2012 at 5:06 AM, blakey72 said: And you know what he suspended me for, alerting people to the fact that he can't take anyone telling him he's wrong. posting on multiple threads. Big know it all, huge head, huge ego. I had a very good reputation until that DH decided he knew everything about audio and rubbished everything I said. You have never been moderated because of your opinion. You were suspended because you spammed a personal attack into dozens of threads, violating the forum rules and any sense of decency. You then pleaded with our moderators to have the suspension lifted, admitting that you "can be a d***head sometimes" and that you are "really a nice guy under all the nastiness". Then when you didn't get your way, you then proceeded to hurl a string of vile abuse at me and members of the moderation team, at which point one of our moderators chose to make that suspension permanent. You have your attitude to blame, not your opinions. On 29/10/2012 at 5:06 AM, blakey72 said: And numbnuts binned me so I decided to come over here where I thought people were a little more FRIENDLY. Seems that's not turning out to be the case though. On the contrary, I've found that most people on this forum are really friendly.
blakey72 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 7:20 AM, mr-happy-pants said: Very Generous Earle I really hope you get some takers (serious moment) Graham It is very Generous indeed. I'm sure Earle will get quite a few takers.
rantan Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 7:54 AM, Simon Wright said: (With apologies to Whatmore) On the contrary, I've found that most people on this forum are really friendly. Hi Simon. I want to state for the record that I have no problem with you being part of this forum. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. [ Written with apologies to Voltaire for my slight omissions from the original statement ] I also have no problem with Blakey or Jason or Adprom even though I am sometimes bemused by their contentions as I am by yours. Unsurprisingly my view is different on the approach to audio and like many members here I am an audio centrist . I have been in this hobby for more than a generation and that does not make me or my view any more valid, but ultimately this hobby is about enjoyment of music but it is also interesting how we use differing approaches to achieve the same goal. I find that the over application of science is just as counter productive as a naive belief in voodoo solutions. I accept that science has a role in the pursuit of this hobby, I have never denied this and I am utterly aware of all the scams, snake oil and puffery that is disseminated by many in the audio industry, but many enthusiasts are also sufficiently intelligent to decipher hyperbole from fact. Hopefully we can all make our opinions known, even forcefully, while maintaining an ability to accept opinions by others that we may not readily understand. I am certainly happy to do so. My reason for posting this ramble of thoughts is that I have an old fashioned belief that this is a community that is overwhelmingly good and positive and supportive of a diversity of opinion and I hope that continues into the long term. Thanks for putting up with this and once again, welcome, even if we are very different 1
adprom Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 On 29/10/2012 at 8:58 AM, rantan said: I find that the over application of science is just as counter productive as a naive belief in voodoo solutions. Next time an audio device is designed, or any appliance for that matter lets take the the application of science out of it, i.e. engineering and see how we go.... I don't see how you can have an over application of science, or "over engineering" something given that the device exists only due to Engineering. I wonder how many with what you call 'audio-centrist' views actually design amplifiers. I am not talking about doing the soldering and grabbing a few transistors - but logically designing one. The idea of an over application of science, or over engineering as you are essentially saying is just odd.... By nature, that the device exists through engineering only and nothing else, it can't be over-engineered in the sense you are referring to. It exists only due to scientific principles. 3
rantan Posted October 29, 2012 Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) I largely agree with your post Adprom. Perhaps my statement about "over application" was incorrect. I actually meant to infer that a good approach to audio is based on many things ,especially science and engineering, but not exclusively due to these factors. My own amplifier is superbly engineered and no doubt employs good scientific principles, but it also sounds great IMHO and far better than the various amps that preceded it. Can I prove this.........to myself ,yes, to others,who knows?. Does that matter?.......not really This is where science and emotions collide, and I cannot help but think that some of the designers may have been audio centrists who cared about the subjective result. Thankfully for me I am still standing, albeit with a big smile on my face Edited October 29, 2012 by rantan
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