Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 16, 2012 Volunteer Share Posted February 16, 2012 I am a big fan of Roger Sander's products - I own one of his magtech amps. I am also a big fan of his clear, no nonsense approach. There is a very interesting interview with him here Warning, it's long and probably iconoclastic in parts but I think it's a very worthwhile read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 17, 2012 Author Volunteer Share Posted February 17, 2012 No one waded through it yet? Fair enough, I'll post a snippet that I think is very interesting. It is necessary to use electronic/active crossovers to achieve the best from any speaker system. I continue to be amazed by all the speakers on the market with passive crossovers that claim to be "reference" quality or SOTA systems. The truth is that electronic/active crossovers and multiamplifier systems are superior to any passive crossover system. All speakers will be improved with the proper use of electronic/active crossovers. So any speaker that uses passive crossovers simply cannot be considered the finest available. I am unwilling to compromise and so do not use passive crossovers in any of my current speakers.There are many diverse types of electronic/active crossovers with many different features. Also, both analog and digital electronic crossovers now are available. I consider digital crossovers to be one of the greatest advances in modern audio. They offer features that I have wanted crossovers to have for years, but which were unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catostylus Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Thanks for posting that. I'll have to wait till I get home to give it a full read and make further comment. Roger's stuff has been an interest of mine for some little time now. FWIW, I agree fully with his views on passive crossovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aechmea Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I am a big fan of Roger Sander's products - I own one of his magtech amps.I am also a big fan of his clear, no nonsense approach. There is a very interesting interview with him here Warning, it's long and probably iconoclastic in parts but I think it's a very worthwhile read Ditto. I found that I agreed with almost everything that he had to say, including the sections on objective testing and subjective listening, clipping, integration, digital Xovers, planar speakers ... well all of it really. Interested readers should read his 'white' papers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 17, 2012 Author Volunteer Share Posted February 17, 2012 I need to listen to his electrostats now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catostylus Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I need to listen to his electrostats now! Oh, and you'd be Robinson Crusoe, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizt Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I need to listen to his electrostats now! If you tee up and audition let me know as I'd like to tag along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 17, 2012 Author Volunteer Share Posted February 17, 2012 If you tee up and audition let me know as I'd like to tag along. As far as I know there is no-one in Melbourne with them. Mcleans in Sydney carries them, so it'll be a bit tricky to tee up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drizt Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 As far as I know there is no-one in Melbourne with them.Mcleans in Sydney carries them, so it'll be a bit tricky to tee up Bugger....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brumby Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Bill McClean isn't actually in Sydney. His shop is in Gosford, about halfway between Sydney and Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzr Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I've heard them & they are good. Only listened to 2 songs but yep, they'd do, especially as you get one of his amps with the speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.Sydney Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I am a big fan of Roger Sander's products - I own one of his magtech amps.I am also a big fan of his clear, no nonsense approach. There is a very interesting interview with him here Warning, it's long and probably iconoclastic in parts but I think it's a very worthwhile read I only flicked through the interview section (I'll read it over the weekend) It lead me to his site and there was a new pre amp http://www.sanderssoundsystems.com/products/preamplifier. And then found; World Premiere! Roger Sanders Preamplifier "Resolving micro detail from a music and painting it beyond the outer edges." Review By Ron Nagle. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0212/roger_sanders_preamplifier.htm And by coincidence I was driving down the coast yesterday so popped in to say hi at Mcleans. And I was welcomed into the listening room where the pre amp was playing ! Howz that for coincidence ! B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agisthos Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I always thought that Sanders amplifier design theory stood out from the pack. Im not sure whether it would be better or worse, but certainly different and I would love to try one in my own system. What amps did you go through before settling on the magtech Whatmore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aechmea Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I always thought that Sanders amplifier design theory stood out from the pack. Im not sure whether it would be better or worse, but certainly different and I would love to try one in my own system. What amps did you go through before settling on the magtech Whatmore? I'm not Whatmore but ... I went through ME75 (120W) x 1 Musical Fidelity A5cr (250W) x 1 Parasound Halo A21 (250W) x 2 for bi-amping Sanders Magtech (500W) x 2 for bi-amping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.Sydney Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I always thought that Sanders amplifier design theory stood out from the pack. Im not sure whether it would be better or worse, but certainly different and I would love to try one in my own system. What amps did you go through before settling on the magtech Whatmore? I sampled a PLINIUS (but not with other familiar gear in the chain) Quad 909 with some of my current gear Parasound Halo A21 synergy in the chain I'd regard as equally important. I'm using mine as a straight stereo amp. Ohh, I'm not Whatmore either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 23, 2012 Author Volunteer Share Posted February 23, 2012 I always thought that Sanders amplifier design theory stood out from the pack. Im not sure whether it would be better or worse, but certainly different and I would love to try one in my own system. What amps did you go through before settling on the magtech Whatmore? I tried: Sonus Faber Musica McIntosh MA2275 Weston Tranquility Wyred for Sound integrated (500w) Simaudio Moon i3-3 ASR Emitter 1 (not in my system, but I heard it driving my speakers when I auditioned them at Pure Music Group, superb amp) And I heard a couple of other after I'd bought the magtech (Leben, Weston 300B) I was after a very transparent amp. The Magtech at 500w is probably more powerful than I need for my speakers (97dB Zingalis) but I wanted an amp that I could be confident would drive any speaker well. I'm quite confident that no matter what upgrades I may make in the rest of my system, the amp will be a stayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brumby Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Does Mr Sanders no longer make a line only pre amp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agisthos Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Im suprised so many people in Australia have an 'internet direct' sold USA amp. Usually this is difficult to do but the Magtech has a universal power supply for 110/230v correct? No need for a seperate 230v model. The white paper shows Sanders doing something very unique on the power supply. Its a true 500w muscle amp, but is so stable it has no output protection stage, and runs cool to touch. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aechmea Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Snip the Magtech has a universal power supply for 110/230v correct? No need for a seperate 230v model. Snip There is a switch on the back for 240V. The amps can be bought retail in Australia if you don't want to do the internet purchase trick. Mcleans at East Gosford import and retail them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 18, 2012 Author Volunteer Share Posted March 18, 2012 Does Mr Sanders no longer make a line only pre amp? It seems he's incorporated his phono pre into the same box and kept the price the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brumby Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I just came across a 19 page thread - in another forum - on all things Sanders - speakers and amps http://www.whatsbest...s-electrostatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O.Sydney Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 it ends where roverT (whatmore) picks up on this thread his new pre uses an opto coupler for volume, I haven't heard of other pre' with multiple inputs that use this method of attenuating volume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted November 18, 2013 Author Volunteer Share Posted November 18, 2013 More from Roger Sanders here. Outspoken as usual... http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/11/interview-with-roger-sanders.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+monoandstereo%2FHOym+%28MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks Whatmore. I guess you could call him outspoken. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 More from Roger Sanders here. Outspoken as usual... http://www.monoandstereo.com/2013/11/interview-with-roger-sanders.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+monoandstereo%2FHOym+%28MONO+AND+STEREO+Ultra+High-End+Audio+Magazine%29 My favourite quote: "No, I am not an audiophile. I am a concert musician, scientist, and engineer." ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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