colinm1 Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 i think, you all should think yourself lucky to be able to see,audition,hear,and touch such lovely gear i live about 150k away from nowhere,and would give my left ball(right was damaged in a footy game and is only good for decoration) to see such items at my doorstep, and its great that people will give up their time to demo the t/t's for 1 and all i'll read it on a post at best enjoy!!
MrRogers Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 CJCC67 said: What about adding an SME 20 to the equation? Hey why not? If it was up to me it would be a thumbs up!
mikey d Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 I agree withy colinm1. I live in an audio wasteland & live with very modest hifi. The Caliburn is like a dragon or unicorn to me, a mythological creature or a magic talisman. I will only get to read about such things. But I do think that one day I may be able to run one of Vince's beautiful decks in my setup. I hope that the Melbourne Mob get to hear them both in the same room with the same front end & look forward to reading their thoughts. Not willing to give up any gonads though even though they've been firing blanks for a long time.
Dr Good Vibe Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Wait I hear the sound of typing, it's MrRogers to report. Good on him too for giving backup a second pair of ears. 2 Cheers.
Guest guru Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 jrhill said: The Willis Room that the MAC uses for the monthly meetings is a bit difficult acoustically for gear designed for domestic lounge rooms - the large size and up to maybe 100 people really requires PA speakers to good sound production, but PA speakers have little relevance to domestic HiFi situations so it's a bit of a catch22 situation, unfortunately. The rapid improvements in the area of DSPs will make this easier, but the continuing popularity of Vinyl and 2 channel Analogue systems has restricted their use so far, in the club, and elsewhere (IMO, here!). Another thing is that the Convenor hold the club position for just the 2 years and someone into "systems" can generally get a reasonable result (not always good, unfortunately, as noted above) but another person doing the job may have a rather different perspective where, for example, the music content is the priority, not the equiptment and as each meeting uses something different each time ...... We do try to get it right each time but inevitably, there are unsuccessful functions - sorry "guru" for your unfortunate experience - when was this? evening mr hill, my comment as to the vicious reputation might have been slightly tongue in cheek as i have never attended your hospitable meetings but only through conversations with colourful melbourne racing identities have i come to the assumption as to the nature of the discourses that take place. my apologies for any besmirching of the reputation of these fine victorian gentlemen. one day when i have something worthwhile to demonstrate ,i will be in touch to bend before their willow. otherwise, please introduce yourself to us in october and rest assured you would be most welcome. best regards,g.
Paul Spencer Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 I've heard the Willis room a couple of times in the past and it wasn't so bad that nothing could sound decent. The only speakers that struggled were some dipoles. I can understand the frustration in a demo where many things are beyond your control and those things kill the demo.
ngquan Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Why are there so many angry people lurking around the forum waiting for a chance to flame someone? I was at the demo of Ason. I left after 5min and i know what the once turntable is capable of. Please refrain yourself from making unconstructive criticism esp when you have not heard it.
samman Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 ngquan said: Why are there so many angry people lurking around the forum waiting for a chance to flame someone?I was at the demo of Ason. I left after 5min and i know what the once turntable is capable of. Please refrain yourself from making unconstructive criticism esp when you have not heard it. I was also present and concur with Vince, Mr Rogers and ngquan that the sound on the day was sub standard...nothing to do with the Once Analog because mine delivers a level of performance far and away above what was presented that day... Regards Sam
Warren M. Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 jrhill said: The Willis Room that the MAC uses for the monthly meetings is a bit difficult acoustically for gear designed for domestic lounge rooms - the large size and up to maybe 100 people really requires PA speakers to good sound production, but PA speakers have little relevance to domestic HiFi situations so it's a bit of a catch22 situation, unfortunately. The rapid improvements in the area of DSPs will make this easier, but the continuing popularity of Vinyl and 2 channel Analogue systems has restricted their use so far, in the club, and elsewhere (IMO, here!). Another thing is that the Convenor hold the club position for just the 2 years and someone into "systems" can generally get a reasonable result (not always good, unfortunately, as noted above) but another person doing the job may have a rather different perspective where, for example, the music content is the priority, not the equiptment and as each meeting uses something different each time ...... We do try to get it right each time but inevitably, there are unsuccessful functions - sorry "guru" for your unfortunate experience - when was this? Hi from Sydney. If you can organise Continuum to audition a Caliburn for you, simply ask them to provide a suitable reference system for a medium sized auditorium. I am sure they have a system which they use for hi-fi shows and other large-scale demos. Chances are they will ask to do so anyway - you don't demonstrate your $200,000 turntable on sub-standard amplifiers and speakers, or leave it to luck that the support system will be OK on the day. Regards Warren
Guest guru Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 warrenmmmmm said: Hi from Sydney.If you can organise Continuum to audition a Caliburn for you, simply ask them to provide a suitable reference system for a medium sized auditorium. I am sure they have a system which they use for hi-fi shows and other large-scale demos. Chances are they will ask to do so anyway - you don't demonstrate your $200,000 turntable on sub-standard amplifiers and speakers, or leave it to luck that the support system will be OK on the day. Regards Warren continuum use their own electronics and tidal speakers for shows and as this is vince's demo opportunity, i don't think they are going to jump at the chance to share centre stage. if vince is going to get someone to loan him a caliburn for the day it would involve 2 very experienced people 4 hours to disassemble and reset the tt, 3 or 4 people to move it safely in it's transport crate and a whole lot of love for your fellow man. like i said, good luck.
MrRogers Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 guru said: continuum use their own electronics and tidal speakers for shows and as this is vince's demo opportunity, i don't think they are going to jump at the chance to share centre stage. if vince is going to get someone to loan him a caliburn for the day it would involve 2 very experienced people 4 hours to disassemble and reset the tt, 3 or 4 people to move it safely in it's transport crate and a whole lot of love for your fellow man. like i said, good luck. That needn't be the case. A Once Analog can be made available at a place and time suitable to anyone willing and able to demonstrate a Caliburn.
Once Analog Posted June 2, 2011 Author Posted June 2, 2011 MrRogers said: That needn't be the case. A Once Analog can be made available at a place and time suitable to anyone willing and able to demonstrate a Caliburn. Hi, The Caliburn plinth design goes against everything I have learnt about plinth design,(based on my personal experiments) dia cast alumminium plinth construstion, a no, no! Timber plinth is the best for musical reproduction! Vince
Guest guru Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 MrRogers said: That needn't be the case. A Once Analog can be made available at a place and time suitable to anyone willing and able to demonstrate a Caliburn. i don't understand. if someone has purchased a caliburn, what's the benefit of listening to vince's tt. jeez dummy, you could have saved $140k. that's likely. i don't know why you would worry about the continuum, vince's competition is other $7000 tt's like clearaudio's and vpi's. someone prepared to spend 30k isn't going to spend 7k and give the rest to his wife for a facelift saying "it's okay honey, you get that big nose of your's fixed, i saved money by buying vince's tt instead."
heman_ Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 I don't see the point in demoing the once Analogue against the Caliburn. I mean it's not really much of a statement, the outcome seems to be predetermined. Wouldnt it only highlight the well known diminishing returns in hi-fi? Surely comparing it against some of the competition, ie. Against a Kuzma Stabi reference would Make a much bigger statement as to the quality of the once analogue turntable.
Guest guru Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Once Analog said: Hi,The Caliburn plinth design goes against everything I have learnt about plinth design,(based on my personal experiments) dia cast alumminium plinth construstion, a no, no! Timber plinth is the best for musical reproduction! Vince can't agree for 2 reasons. 1 the construction of the caliburn plinth simplified down to a die cast aluminium plinth construction shows you have never opened one up otherwise you just wouldn't say that. 2 my new tt is constructed of ductile aircraft aluminium.
MrRogers Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 guru said: i don't understand. if someone has purchased a caliburn, what's the benefit of listening to vince's tt. For the same reason we visit this forum, buy hifi equipment and spend lots of money. It's all and only about the sound, right? or maybe not?
Guest guru Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 heman_ said: I don't see the point in demoing the once Analogue against the Caliburn. I mean it's not really much of a statement, the outcome seems to be predetermined. Wouldnt it only highlight the well known diminishing returns in hi-fi? Surely comparing it against some of the competition, ie. Against a Kuzma Stabi reference would Make a much bigger statement as to the quality of the once analogue turntable. for those such products, the caliburn really is worth the money if you can afford it. it really sounds that good and that unique.
Once Analog Posted June 2, 2011 Author Posted June 2, 2011 guru said: for those such products, the caliburn really is worth the money if you can afford it. it really sounds that good and that unique. I VERY MUCH look forward to the experience - seeing and hearing! Will advise in a future SNA post. Regards, Vince
Once Analog Posted June 2, 2011 Author Posted June 2, 2011 guru said: can't agree for 2 reasons.1 the construction of the caliburn plinth simplified down to a die cast aluminium plinth construction shows you have never opened one up otherwise you just wouldn't say that. 2 my new tt is constructed of ductile aircraft aluminium. Hi Guru, I thankyou for the post, interesting comments, my humble turntable building experience has only been based on 40 plus years - please attend the Mebourne Audio Club demonstration, your opinion WILL change. My Best, Vince
dcathro Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Once Analog said: I Guru,I agree, FIRST demonstration at that club, using their own amplification/sperakers, VERY POOR result, and this is named an "Audiophil Club", JOKE - never again will I be caught with my trousers down, their equipment was JOKE! Regards, Vince When was this? The Melbourne Audio Club does not own any equipment! If you did not provide the equipment, then it must have been supplied by the co-ordinator, or by a member of the club. The club is comprised of over a hundred members, each of who has different interests, and different ideas of what constitutes quality in audio. Most members are very reticent in bringing their equipment to club meetings. Provided equipment is unlikely to be ultra hi-end. If you want to ensure the success of an audio event, you need to ensure that you plan and implement all aspects of it, and not leave anything to the good intentions of someone else. As James has mentioned, the Willis room is not great, however, there have been a few memorable evenings there, so it is possible. Look forward to your demonstration Cheers David
jaspert Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Once Analog said: Hi Jaspert,I'm not ungrateful, it's always a pleasure to meet and converse with fellow enthusiasts, (as it always is). However, on the day, we were all there to listen to music and the sound was crap! I don't why it sounded so bad, speakers? amplifier? cables? I do know it was not my turntable! But, I couldn't listen to it and I love listening to vinyl. M/A/C demonstration system comprise: ME 850 amplifier, ME 25 preamplifier, Spendor speakers, Goertz speaker cable, Syrinx PU3 (Cardas rewired), Ortofon 2M Black (M/M cartridge), Cardas G Master interconnects. Phono stage still to be decided. Hope to see you there, Best, Vince I will try to be there. Just out of curiosity, which inadequate speakers was used at the ASON demo? And which Spendor are you planning on using at Mac? I have heard good sound at MAC in the past, an Altec multicell horn based speakers and big Lewis Muratori multiway floor standers driven by massive amps from Lucas' Black Art audio. Some demo using floor standers with small woofers tended to struggle in the big space.
ENIGMA Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Once Analog said: Hi,The Caliburn plinth design goes against everything I have learnt about plinth design,(based on my personal experiments) dia cast alumminium plinth construstion, a no, no! Timber plinth is the best for musical reproduction! Vince I love your attitude Vince and question your motives in creating this thread! Perhaps i should also bring a slate TT along and see how that compares to your block of wood & Caliburn's lump of aluminum if that is how you wish to compare things. I'm not the person to compare just to bag the other's designs so it won't be happening. If people are genuinly interested in finding our the differences for the right reasons and enjoy the moment, then that is better in my view. Why does it have to be a mine is bigger than yours contest? I have seen in the caliburn, yes it in some ways goes against tradition and yes it also makes sense. Many people have commented on how great your TTs are, don't undermine yourself by trashing what's not yours. Also, i think people are missing the point here. There is very good reason to apprecate the difference between Vince's TT & a Caliburn, it is not about money or whether you are getting ripped of for spending so much more. Try and enjoy the moment and walk home knowing you've enjoyed some wonderful equipment and moments in our hobby. Some might consider the Caliburn as a Ferrari, but there will be may that will say Vinc's TT is their Ferrari. I don't know why there has to be this nonsense at times.
cheekyboy Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Vince, I started reading your comments both here and in another recent thread and thought your posts were uncharacteristically measured and informative with no sign of lecturing us out here in SNA land, but then the real Vince turned up and we now have bitterness and controversy again.........I thought it was too good to be true and it is so reminiscent of the belt driven versus the rest of the world thread, which unfortunately just ended up full of vitriol and angst. Others are suggesting here too that you don't need to go as far as the Caliburn for a shoot out and I agree, it would be more interesting to me to see the Once Analog up against a good Technics direct drive sitting in a slate plinth for example, or even my old Garrard in a hardwood Jarrah plinth, or what about Duc's big Commonwealth with that lovely Reed arm sitting on it, that I've had the pleasure of hearing so many times? Anyhow Vince, despite your attitude I'm certainly interested enough to make the effort and attend the MAC demo and have my first listen to the Once Analog turntable. I must say though, I have met several of the MAC members and I disagree very strongly with the appraisal of them. I found them to be nothing but gentlemen and audio enthusiasts with a wide range of experience and knowledge and only too willing to share that experience and knowledge with others. Cheers, Keith Edited June 2, 2011 by cheekyboy
Dr Good Vibe Posted June 2, 2011 Posted June 2, 2011 Once Analog said: Hi,The Caliburn plinth design goes against everything I have learnt about plinth design,(based on my personal experiments) dia cast alumminium plinth construstion, a no, no! Timber plinth is the best for musical reproduction! Vince Gee I think Mark would be laughing by about now, if only you did know you might even have a still better product Vince. Warwick might be putting in his unit? I would have to question Continuum having the time for this what have they to gain for the effort? I suppose the number people who spent large amounts of time and money didn't know what they were doing wood would have been much cheaper. Arrr the Holden HR Mk2 now there's a sports car.
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