Guest guru Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 only the silver fuses from hifi tuning, exceptionally good and worthwhile at about $40 each in a good system. shame i have to use 6 of them. regards,g.
mikey d Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 They're the ones I'm looking at. I've got 5 in one integrated amp alone. Haven't looked at my other kit yet. A mate swore it made a big difference in his Benchmark DAC.
ayou2 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 No personal experience, but two guys who I know are no mugs & whose ears I trust reckon they are worthwhile.
Willco Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Yep, I ve used the Gold and now the newest ones are even better in all my components--give Bernd at Hi Fi Tuning a mail he'll look after you . Willco
fatgen Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 mikey d said: Anyone have experience with these? Never used Fancy cryo, but SuperCryo (Japaneses brand). Yes fuse is easiest(and cheapest) to take a try and see the difference, then move to interconnect, and speaker cables. I am using SuperCryo (copper but not silver base) balanced interconnect from DAC to Preamp, and pre to poweramp(main system), and used as jumper (bookshelf to tweeter in my second system).
Nigel Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I've had experience with being ripped off. I bet anyone 50c that if i swapped a cryo'd fuse for a plain one, you wouldn't be able to tell which one was which. Take it or leave it.......
Guest guru Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Nigel said: I've had experience with being ripped off. I bet anyone 50c that if i swapped a cryo'd fuse for a plain one, you wouldn't be able to tell which one was which. Take it or leave it....... what size and rating do you need and i'll see if i've got one or i'll get one. funny though that you feel ripped off and yet you have never tried one in a component, still 50c is better in my pocket than in your kids piggybank.
Nigel Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I tried some cryo'd valves once. Silly me - no difference, but thinking about it.. how would its properties have changed ? Same for the fuse, what property of the fuse is altered by cryogenic treatment AND would the alteration be an improvement or a detriment ? The is exactly the small stuff that ZB advises people not to sweat on. Insignificant litle 'tweaks' designed to remove money from people's wallets. As for my boy's piggy bank.....where do you think I'd get the 50c ?
Guest guru Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Nigel said: I tried some cryo'd valves once. Silly me - no difference, but thinking about it.. how would its properties have changed ? Same for the fuse, what property of the fuse is altered by cryogenic treatment AND would the alteration be an improvement or a detriment ? The is exactly the small stuff that ZB advises people not to sweat on. Insignificant litle 'tweaks' designed to remove money from people's wallets. As for my boy's piggy bank.....where do you think I'd get the 50c ? the fuses sound different because of the use of a different burn material ,not the cryo process. i think you are arguing against a small percentage of the process of replacing the fuses as the majority of the sound improvement comes from the use of a better conductor. best to understand what you are arguing against in its entire rather than see one word and go off rallying the troops. the offer is still there.
Nigel Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Absolutely, I am only talking about cryo, the material construction of a fuse in the signal path seems vitally important to me. It must not restrict voltage or current. Cryo is a just marketing ploy to charge more money. "Soldered in an airconditioned room to remove humidity" - $30, I have the copyright for this one. Edited March 11, 2011 by Nigel
Nigel Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Are these in the signal path or am I confusing another thread....?
mikey d Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 Most fuses would be in the power supply, so therefore the logic is, if you are going to go to the trouble of conditioning/filtering, trying various power cords that may suit your components then better constructed fuses, through which all the power must pass through, should have a beneficial effect.
Once was an audiophile Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Nigel said: I tried some cryo'd valves once. Silly me - no difference, i did cryo amprex 6922 nos what a big mistake stuffed my nos valves up never done it again
DarrenW Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Nigel said: Cryo is a just marketing ploy to charge more money. You're right! Its only certain types of steel that it has any marked effect on................ Steels with a high 'Martensite' content. I think most of these 'marketeers' think throwing something in the freezer of a fridge overnight must make 'everything better'!
Once was an audiophile Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 DarrenW said: You're right! Its only certain types of steel that it has any marked effect on................Steels with a high 'Martensite' content. I think most of these 'marketeers' think throwing something in the freezer of a fridge overnight must make 'everything better'! i had 0.8mm,0.4mm solid core silver wire cryo treated by a company in melbourne when i used to make interconnects/speaker cables.their is a audible difference between cryoed and non cryoed.i have also cryoed blank cd's and they do sound different from standard.been their done that 4 years ago
Nigel Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Someone's credibility just went out the window.....
aechmea Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 the material construction of a fuse in the signal path seems vitally important to me. It must not restrict voltage or current. Nigel, my Maggies have a fuse directly in the signal path for the mid-range panel (4 amp) and the ribbon (2.5 amp). Never considered cryo though.
ENIGMA Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 There is a difference if your system is sensitive enough to show you the results. I have some cryo tubes, no fuses though.
Once was an audiophile Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 ENIGMA said: There is a difference if your system is sensitive enough to show you the results. I have some cryo tubes, no fuses though. bingo that is the missing link with some systems
skippy124 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) From what I can gather, the main end result in cryogenic treatment is a slight reduction in resistance, and a slightly better surface finish resulting in slightly reduced contact resistance in a connection. For a fuse, wouldn't you get a markedly better result in going up one rating (say 4 amp to 5 amp), making sure the contact surfaces are clean, and bending the fuse contacts (depending on what type of fuse holder it is) a little to increase contact pressure. Edited March 11, 2011 by skippy124 spelling
rawl99 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 kajak12 said: i had 0.8mm,0.4mm solid core silver wire cryo treated by a company in melbourne when i used to make interconnects/speaker cables.their is a audible difference between cryoed and non cryoed.i have also cryoed blank cd's and they do sound different from standard.been their done that 4 years ago Nigel said: Someone's credibility just went out the window..... Nigel, I deduce that your response is to Kajaks comments since his post immediately preceded yours. If I am correct in this deduction then I must share the thought that if you cannot hear the difference between 2 cds that started their life the same, one then cryo treated and the other one not, then your credibility (if you had any... I don't know you from a bar of soap) just went out the 65th floor window and is following the fate that gravity would bestow upon it. I can, and have put people in front of 2 identical (for all intents and purposes) blanks, one cryo, one not, then burnt on the same burner one immediately after the other and the difference ain't so subtlle. Done the same with 2 factory pressings, one cryo, one not and same again. Done the same with 2 different blanks, one burnt immediately after the other on the same burner and the same not so subtle result again. Burn a disc on a laptop, say, with the laptop sitting on a typical dining room table and then burn another on the same laptop but with the laptop sitting on a well engineered isolation platform and descernible differences are present. I am pretty certain Kajak can demonstrate exactly the same results. Kajak, anything I have missed you would like to add??? eg changing the RAM in the burning PC, using a Yamaha F1 compared with modern DVD drives in computers etc Cheers Rawl
aechmea Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Don't forget 'burnable' CDs are constructed with a layer of heat sensitive dye. A quick dunk in the liquid Nitrogen or whatever will almost certainly change their physical characteristics. Bit like treating icecream with a bit of heat - it'll never be the same again. Not so sure though about a piece of cooled metal behaving in quite the same way. Any metallurgists in the audience?
gainphile Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) What's wrong with normal house fuses? They are designed to disintegrate when current is applied ... no? If the Cyro'd fuses could handle more currents then this would be dangerous ? edit: cyro's cd... how can they be different? They're lossless digital ! Edited March 11, 2011 by gainphile
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