Good pre amp to pair with yamaha p2200

[anewmission]

Ive decided to bring one of my yamaha p2200 power/pro amp home from the studio to set up a nice hifi system.

I used it around the holidays, having my dac plugged straight in. Sounded very nice, though i would also like to be able to implement my tt, r2r and cd player.

What would be a good pairing?

A) something like an emotiva xsp1 gen 2

B)a passive pre amp and then a powered tt pre amp

C) something from the same era as the p2200?

 

Current components are topping d50 dac, silent pc running dual boot of windows and linux(linux sounds better to me but no tidal:(), project carbon tt, oppo bdp... Not the best components but good for a home set up as i spend most of my listening time in the studio

[anewmission]

I was also just admiring the schiit freya as it can do passive, active and valve modes.
For about $1000. I just wished it was in black finish.
I like that the emotiva has ht bypass. I can see this being very handy for the future when i dont have as much space

[georgehifi]

A great cheap amp if you can find them unabused, as they were more for PA use. 

 

In standard form the P2200 is very low in Class-A bias it can be a little etched sounding, bass is great. So use a pre that's on the soft side of neutral eg: tube.

 

But if you up the Class-A bias in this P2200, it can sound rather sweet as well, bias it up harder into Class-A till the heatsinks after 1hr of idle are 50-55c (no music input shorted with 8ohm load)  then even solid state pre's are good.

 

BTW: It has 2 x Alps "Black Beauties" potentiometers as input level controls best mechanical pots you can get, I just used these without any preamps at all, as it was so much more transparent this way.

 

Chers George

 

 

    

Edited May 5, 2019 by georgehifi

[anewmission]

A great cheap amp if you can find them unabused, as they were more for PA use. 
 
In standard form the P2200 is very low in Class-A bias it can be a little etched sounding, bass is great. So use a pre that's on the soft side of neutral eg: tube.
 
But if you up the Class-A bias in this P2200, it can sound rather sweet as well, bias it up harder into Class-A till the heatsinks after 1hr of idle are 50-55c (no music input shorted with 8ohm load)  then even solid state pre's are good.
 
BTW: It has 2 x Alps "Black Beauties" potentiometers as input level controls best mechanical pots you can get, I just used these without any preamps at all, as it was so much more transparent this way.
 
Chers George
 

 

    

Yeh i agree with the pots. And also abouy plugging straight in. Maybe i just need a rca switcher, that way i can use multiple sources?

[georgehifi]

And this is the best for the money.

http://www.goldpt.com/sw4.html

 

 

Cheers George

Edited May 6, 2019 by georgehifi

[MrBurns84]

@anewmission i'd second george's post with a passive preamp.  Most pro amps have a ton of power and a passive will be fine so as long as your source(s) have enough output gain ie - 2v output.  95% of source gear now do this anyways

[anewmission]

It seems like a fairly easy thing to make. I wonder if i can find a pre drilled chassis to save a few dollars..

Wondering if a pair of ns2000 or diatones would be a good pairing with this amp

[georgehifi]

I picked up two of them a few years ago for $400 each. They always come up in those used PA/band supply shops, pretty beat up some of them, but they handle the bruises and knocks. 

 

Here is the the inside shot, massive potted toroidal on it's side, big supply caps, lots of bi-polars, can give some decent current.

And also the service manual for those who want it.

 

Cheers George

 

 

 

 

 

 

yamaha_p-2200_sm.pdf

Edited May 6, 2019 by georgehifi

[anewmission]

I picked up two of them a few years ago for $400 each. They always come up in those used PA/band supply shops, pretty beat up some of them, but they handle the bruises and knocks. 
 
Here is the the inside shot, massive potted toroidal on it's side, big supply caps, lots of bi-polars, can give some decent current.
And also the service manual for those who want it.
 
Cheers George
 
 

 
 
 
 
yamaha_p-2200_sm.pdf

Yeh i do have two also. Thats interesting, from your photo it looks like you have extra speaker output terminals? What are the used band pa shops? Any in sydney by any chance?

[georgehifi]

There were two on Grays Auction site, went for $39!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0005-67687/audio-tv-and-home-theatre/power-amps-2-x-yamaha-p2200-power-amps-4ru-with-peak-meters-700-watts-rm

 

This one, he should take an offer, been on for 2 months now

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/other-audio/yamaha-p2200-power-amplifier/1213098970

 

Cheers George

Edited May 6, 2019 by georgehifi

[anewmission]

There were two on Grays Auction site, went for $39!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0005-67687/audio-tv-and-home-theatre/power-amps-2-x-yamaha-p2200-power-amps-4ru-with-peak-meters-700-watts-rm
 
This one, he should take an offer, been on for 2 months now
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/other-audio/yamaha-p2200-power-amplifier/1213098970
 
Cheers George

Wow, I've neve even thought about searching grays online.
I paid for 1k for my first one but it is mint and had just been serviced.
The second one i bought for 150 beaten up. Still need to clean it up
I saw a quad 405 go for 56 dollars the other day. And then a day later saw it go up on gumtree for 800.. Definitely the same amp, i compared the rust patches between the photos

[The Fez]

Great Yamaha late 70's early 80's grunt..See also Yamaha M-2 (export designation) & B-5 (JDM) 

[anewmission]

Great Yamaha late 70's early 80's grunt..See also Yamaha M-2 (export designation) & B-5 (JDM) 

I can see a b-5 on yahoo japan. Have you ever purchased from there? Their electricity is 100v from memory?

[pete_mac]

3 minutes ago, anewmission said:

13 minutes ago, The Fez said:

Great Yamaha late 70's early 80's grunt..See also Yamaha M-2 (export designation) & B-5 (JDM) 

I can see a b-5 on yahoo japan. Have you ever purchased from there? Their electricity is 100v from memory?

 

Nothing that a step-down transformer won’t fix. The Wall-Cann 8ZED models are cheap and very effective. 

[anewmission]

 
Nothing that a step-down transformer won’t fix. The Wall-Cann 8ZED models are cheap and very effective. 

Wow they are really good prices. What kind of wattage would i need for two of these power amps at 100v?
Someone told me transformers can add noise? That was a long time back

[anewmission]

There were two on Grays Auction site, went for $39!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.graysonline.com/lot/0005-67687/audio-tv-and-home-theatre/power-amps-2-x-yamaha-p2200-power-amps-4ru-with-peak-meters-700-watts-rm
 
This one, he should take an offer, been on for 2 months now
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/nerang/other-audio/yamaha-p2200-power-amplifier/1213098970
 
Cheers George

George, do you know if it is possible to mono bridge a p2200?

[pete_mac]

19 minutes ago, anewmission said:

Wow they are really good prices. What kind of wattage would i need for two of these power amps at 100v?
Someone told me transformers can add noise? That was a long time back

 

Go for the 2000w model if you are running two at the same time. 

 

I’ve had no induced noise issues with my Wall-Cann, nor my previous Tortech. Both perform great!

 

[anewmission]

 
Go for the 2000w model if you are running two at the same time. 
 
I’ve had no induced noise issues with my Wall-Cann, nor my previous Tortech. Both perform great!
 

You have just given me a great idea for home theatre

[Al.M]

I have two of the P2201 amp models without VU meters, agree with all of the above comments, cheapest way for get plenty good watts for not much used money. Typical used prices can range from $200-800. There is/was one on Gumtree for $500. 

 

Good preamp matches fromnot much money are Audiolab 8000C or Q, various tube preamps including eBay Chinese ones, Luxman.

 

Passive preamps will often make them sound dull as the basic power map sound is solid but reserved so best to liven them up.

 

They are also very handy for electronic crossovers and cheap quality biamping etc as the volume controls give enough levels.

[anewmission]

I have two of the P2201 amp models without VU meters, agree with all of the above comments, cheapest way for get plenty good watts for not much used money. Typical used prices can range from $200-800. There is/was one on Gumtree for $500. 
 
Good preamp matches fromnot much money are Audiolab 8000C or Q, various tube preamps including eBay Chinese ones, Luxman.
 
Passive preamps will often make them sound dull as the basic power map sound is solid but reserved so best to liven them up.
 
They are also very handy for electronic crossovers and cheap quality biamping etc as the volume controls give enough levels.

Are you using a pre amp with two sets of pre outs and then using the amps for bi wiring?

[Al.M]

18 minutes ago, anewmission said:

bi wiring

Yes I can when needed but I don’t believe in biamping as such, instead for DIY speaker builds with electronic crossover unit on a two or three way driver setup. Can use RCA Y splitters if one only has single outs on a preamp.

 

These amps are circa 1978 -1980s so the main power caps will be very old and would be good to replace them to freshen up the sound at around $300 with service technician and parts.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Al.M

[anewmission]

Yes I can when needed but I don’t believe in biamping as such, instead for DIY speaker builds with electronic crossover unit on a two or three way driver setup. Can use RCA Y splitters if one only has single outs on a preamp.
 
These amps are circa 1978 -1980s so the main power caps will be very old and would be good to replace them to freshen up the sound at around $300 with service technician and parts.

Yes one of mine is with a service technician at the moment.

[anewmission]

There is also a pc2002m on gumtree at the moment. Asking price is abit high i think.. The p2201's on ebay from england are about the same price. So i guess they are the kind of thing if you see at a bargain price then get them

[anewmission]

Yes I can when needed but I don’t believe in biamping as such, instead for DIY speaker builds with electronic crossover unit on a two or three way driver setup. Can use RCA Y splitters if one only has single outs on a preamp.
 
These amps are circa 1978 -1980s so the main power caps will be very old and would be good to replace them to freshen up the sound at around $300 with service technician and parts.

What interconnects are you using? I have been using rca to female xlr.
It kind of confuses me whats going on with the xlr connections.
The one in my studio i am using 1/4" trs cables.
I have tried using rca cables with male xlr converters but it didnt work?

[Al.M]

24 minutes ago, anewmission said:

interconnects

Not sure what brand the label rubbed off but medium gauge neutral sounding. Xlr adapter to RCA.

 

In Gumtree there is another PA2200 for $700

Edited May 8, 2019 by Al.M