could it be that now certain members are no longer able to continue their crusade in a certain area...................they now have something else to try & conquer

just thinking out loud

oh look a smiley.................that makes it better

Sorry chats I really think you're reading too much into it and I really don't think anyone has that much influence over the great dragon.

I say leave it as is.

how many times (as mentioned) do you see posts in the on topic areas such as:

+1

hd dvd is dead, get over it

this movie sucks etc etc

when there are many more valuable posts in OT.

I havent seen anyone at all who has a high post count from OT alone assume they are some HT guru.

As stated post count has nothing to do with knowledge.....just posts.

I say leave it as is.

how many times (as mentioned) do you see posts in the on topic areas such as:

+1

hd dvd is dead, get over it

this movie sucks etc etc

when there are many more valuable posts in OT.

I havent seen anyone at all who has a high post count from OT alone assume they are some HT guru.

As stated post count has nothing to do with knowledge.....just posts.

I wonder though, how much this is driven by the perception of DTV in the greater internet community?

Are we a nerd's laughing stock, because so much of our content is in a specific OT subforum? Would quarantining these posts from the all important post count - the ultimate measure of nerd-worth, be the mechanism for ensuring we can take our place at the round table with pride?

Have a look at how worthwhile post count is used as some kind of reward mechanism in Whirlpool. Give me a freakin' break. Is that what we want the DTV community to be more like?

I think nerds need to wake up to themselves and realise that post count is the measure of a man as much as the number of pens in his top pocket...

Post count.

What was that internet expression again? Meh...

To be honest, I reckon less than 1% of posts on here contain worthwhile content, regardless of subforum.

I say either do away with it altogether, or leave it as is.

To be honest, I reckon less than 1% of posts on here contain worthwhile content, regardless of subforum.

I say either do away with it altogether, or leave it as is.

Nice one Foggy.

Now we have to put up with another 99 crap posts.

I mean 98.

I wonder though, how much this is driven by the perception of DTV in the greater internet community?

Are we a nerd's laughing stock, because so much of our content is in a specific OT subforum? Would quarantining these posts from the all important post count - the ultimate measure of nerd-worth, be the mechanism for ensuring we can take our place at the round table with pride?

No, I dont think the OT section will cause us (or any other board) to be a nerd's laughing stock.

Punch ups and shitfights however is a different story, and again not unique to DTV forum.

As I said earlier, it already has been filtered to a small degree by virtue of the boards' layout (with OT down the bottom).

Also, if you click "View New Posts" (otherwise known as searching) the OT posts are not displayed.

well, so much for a serious subject. It seems the baggage train has pulled into the station from some individuals. It's really getting old too

I'm starting to feel really sorry for some of your guys I used to respect but seem to hold onto pointless grudges and try and stick the knife into old wounds any chance you get.

I'm outa this one til the adults show up.

(Disclaimer: This does not reflect all posts in this thread but a minority of them. Placement of this post is not indicative of where these offending posts have occured)

+1

Im over it - Caniffe, just do whatever.

**** says she doesnt even have an account, let alone a post count - tho you should see what she can do with a post... now surely thats a post worth counting!

Cheers,

Bitey

I say leave it as is.

how many times (as mentioned) do you see posts in the on topic areas such as:

+1

hd dvd is dead, get over it

this movie sucks etc etc

when there are many more valuable posts in OT.

Caniffe has clearly stated that the intention is not only to exclude posts from the OT forum, but also to be able to exclude the counting of posts designated as OT in the main forum.

Not sure how that is going to work, but it nullifies your concerns.

could it be that now certain members are no longer able to continue their crusade in a certain area...................they now have something else to try & conquer

you guys are just too funny.

yep, you figured it out.

I either:

1. blackmailed Caniffe into making this thread and proposing the non counting of OT forum posts or,

2. hacked Caniffe's account and posted this thread myself

In case you missed it, I actually agreed with removing post counts all together.

It seems to me that the biggest group of people who actually care about post counts at all actually seem to hang out in OT.

Caniffe has clearly stated that the intention is not only to exclude posts from the OT forum, but also to be able to exclude the counting of posts designated as OT in the main forum.

Not sure how that is going to work, but it nullifies your concerns.

If that could be done Andrew then I dont have an issue.

As you've indicated though Im not sure how this would work without vetting each and every post.

Lets think about it this way:

Lets say that 1 year ago the rules were changed so that all posts in Off-topic were +0 and remains to this day, then you'd get less people talking in there for fun while they're waiting for something more relevant to post about in the on-topic area, the result for example may have been that certain members would stop coming back as there would be no fun to have while waiting for something relevant, and the result of that would be that possibly 1,000's of new members over the time missed out on the info they wanted because the people who have knowledge but post a lot in Off-topic were no longer drawn back to the forum regularly meaning lots of people could miss out on having their questions answered.

So I say:

If you want to keep all knowledgeable members here, then we need to always have something for fun which here is the Off-topic, with +0 post counts for Off-topic, some members may feel like they're not having fun.

Caniffe has clearly stated that the intention is not only to exclude posts from the OT forum, but also to be able to exclude the counting of posts designated as OT in the main forum.

Not sure how that is going to work, but it nullifies your concerns.

That would be this post:

Posts made in selected forums will be +0, and OT posts made elsewhere where they shouldn't be will be removed.

That would require a level of moderation I've never seen (and hope never to see) on this forum. Sounds completely unworkable to me.

It's either:

1. +1 for everything
   
2. +0 for Off Topic & Miscellaneous Subforum posts and +1 for everything else
   
3. +0 for everything
   

While a few of us have indicated we'd be happy with the third option, it's the first 2 that Caniffe is gauging our feelings on.

I think the resentment comes from those members who feel they contribute just as much to the forum community as the next guy, but the only mechanism available to measure that contribution will discriminate against them. If that's sad (which it kinda is), then more sad is the fact that something like post count has ever been considered a means of valuing a person in an online community.

This conversation leads me to question what the whole point is?

Lets think about it this way:

Lets say that 1 year ago the rules were changed so that all posts in Off-topic were +0 and remains to this day, then you'd get less people talking in there for fun while they're waiting for something more relevant to post about in the on-topic area, the result for example may have been that certain members would stop coming back as there would be no fun to have while waiting for something relevant, and the result of that would be that possibly 1,000's of new members over the time missed out on the info they wanted because the people who have knowledge but post a lot in Off-topic were no longer drawn back to the forum regularly meaning lots of people could miss out on having their questions answered.

So I saw:

If you want to keep all knowledgeable members here, then we need to always have something for fun which here is the Off-topic, with +0 post counts for Off-topic, some members may feel like they're not having fun.

Dig, why does your post count have to go up by one to have fun. Isnt it the post itself thats the fun?

Lets think about it this way:

Lets say that 1 year ago the rules were changed so that all posts in Off-topic were +0 and remains to this day, then you'd get less people talking in there for fun while they're waiting for something more relevant to post about in the on-topic area, the result for example may have been that certain members would stop coming back as there would be no fun to have while waiting for something relevant, and the result of that would be that possibly 1,000's of new members over the time missed out on the info they wanted because the people who have knowledge but post a lot in Off-topic were no longer drawn back to the forum regularly meaning lots of people could miss out on having their questions answered.

So I saw:

If you want to keep all knowledgeable members here, then we need to always have something for fun which here is the Off-topic, with +0 post counts for Off-topic, some members may feel like they're not having fun.

Holy bat sh!t.

There's your answer Caniffe, whether you agree with the logic or not, it's the honest truth.

Notwithstanding D-train's question, I'm bloody impressed dig, seriously.

with +0 post counts for Off-topic, some members may feel like they're not having fun.

I don't quite understand how post count equates with having fun in the OT.

I'm still posting in there knowing that it's possible I'll lose all of those posts from my post count, and I'll continue to post in the OT even if my posts there don't count towards my post count, because I enjoy the banter that goes on in the OT. I have fun saying I want to beat someones post count just like a lot of others but in the end it's not the reason I come to this forum.

I don't quite understand how post count equates with having fun in the OT.

~

You know when you used to count sheep to fall asleep? Well, dig is still going. And he's winning.

He's got a point, and a damn good one. Whether everyone is post count driven or not isn't the point. The fact is, many people are. And OT keeps knowledgeable members involved in a community that they might otherwise leave if the measure of their overall contribution is, in their eyes, devalued.

Isnt it the post itself thats the fun?

Apparently for some people it is not.

I don't get it personally.

Lets think about it this way:

Lets say that 1 year ago the rules were changed so that all posts in Off-topic were +0 and remains to this day, then you'd get less people talking in there for fun while they're waiting for something more relevant to post about in the on-topic area, the result for example may have been that certain members would stop coming back as there would be no fun to have while waiting for something relevant, and the result of that would be that possibly 1,000's of new members over the time missed out on the info they wanted because the people who have knowledge but post a lot in Off-topic were no longer drawn back to the forum regularly meaning lots of people could miss out on having their questions answered.

So I say:

If you want to keep all knowledgeable members here, then we need to always have something for fun which here is the Off-topic, with +0 post counts for Off-topic, some members may feel like they're not having fun.

Well said Dig.That is exactly right and how I feel about all this.

Paul

What is the motive behind this? Is it just a suspicion that the count encourages frivolous posts?

I don’t care about counts and do not understand why others are obsessed with them. Nevertheless, there are a number of people on this forum that seem to place some value on them; the congratulatory threads and comments made as people pass milestones attest to that. So I would think for their benefit it is better to maintain the status quo. In fact I am surprised at the rush to denounce the post count as immaterial, and from which quarters it has come from.

If this is just an attempt to discourage frivolous posts, then I think it will backfire, as the pip chasers will just seek to increase their counts by polluting the main forums. Perhaps we should look at more "imaginative" measures :

• Deduct 1 from the post count for every emoticon in excess of 1 used in a post.
  
• Deduct 5 from the post count for posts containing nothing more than “+1” and/or emoticons.
  
• Deduct 10 from the post count when a member uses the following words/phrases “viewing distance”, “bluray”, “hd-dvd”, “speaker cables”, “blind tests”.
  
• Deduct 20 for posts accusing someone of being a troll.
  
• Deduct 50 if they actually are a troll.
  
• Add 100 to the count when a member posts “You’re right, I’m wrong”.
  

Cheers

Deduct 100 for the use of "Monster" (or BOSE).

~

... Perhaps we should look at more "imaginative" measures :

• Deduct 1 from the post count for every emoticon in excess of 1 used in a post.
  
• Deduct 5 from the post count for posts containing nothing more than “+1” and/or emoticons.
  
• Deduct 10 from the post count when a member uses the following words/phrases “viewing distance”, “bluray”, “hd-dvd”, “speaker cables”, “blind tests”.
  
• Deduct 20 for posts accusing someone of being a troll.
  
• Deduct 50 if they actually are a troll.
  
• Add 100 to the count when a member posts “You’re right, I’m wrong”.
  

Cheers

That's a great idea. What was I thinking before? You're right, I'm wrong.

What is the motive behind this? Is it just a suspicion that the count encourages frivolous posts?

I don’t care about counts and do not understand why others are obsessed with them. Nevertheless, there are a number of people on this forum that seem to place some value on them; the congratulatory threads and comments made as people pass milestones attest to that. So I would think for their benefit it is better to maintain the status quo. In fact I am surprised at the rush to denounce the post count as immaterial, and from which quarters it has come from.

If this is just an attempt to discourage frivolous posts, then I think it will backfire, as the pip chasers will just seek to increase their counts by polluting the main forums. Perhaps we should look at more "imaginative" measures :

• Deduct 1 from the post count for every emoticon in excess of 1 used in a post.
  
• Deduct 5 from the post count for posts containing nothing more than “+1” and/or emoticons.
  
• Deduct 10 from the post count when a member uses the following words/phrases “viewing distance”, “bluray”, “hd-dvd”, “speaker cables”, “blind tests”.
  
• Deduct 20 for posts accusing someone of being a troll.
  
• Deduct 50 if they actually are a troll.
  
• Add 100 to the count when a member posts “You’re right, I’m wrong”.
  

Cheers

vjp, stop trolling, hd dvd is dead , seriously though you are right and im wrong.

now by my calculations that post is worth 19.

It seems to me that the biggest group of people who actually care about post counts at all actually seem to hang out in OT.

Eh?..

You truly sure about that? Seems to me from my years of checking into the forum and it's different topic areas, that the number of "post count junkies" is quite proportionate to the number of posters frequenting a particular topic or thread - much the same as the number of tossers in any given street of any given suburb is much the same proportionally to neighbouring streets and neighbouring suburbs.

The biggest tossers however; always seem to come from suburbs that have conned themselves into believing they're "special" in some way, and not like the "riff-raff" from lesser suburbs - they're the sort of places that don't "maintain high community standards" amongst those who dwell there...

As a largely OT forum poster these days; I'd like to say - "Thanks for the label!" (Not!)

As a largely OT forum poster these days; I'd like to say - "Thanks for the label!" (Not!)

If the shoe fits ......

Only joking.