Cutting out processed foods....

[betty boop]

People anyone read this from abc ?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2019-05-30/highly-processed-food-and-disease-risk-food-labels/11153774

 

Ultra-processed food link to disease and death grows — so do we need to shift our food policy?

[blybo]

On 29/05/2019 at 6:00 PM, needlerunner said:

Being sugar deprived, l guess you haven't the energy to continue to inspire us regular fatties,with your anecdotal achievements

I've got more energy since cutting out sugar... well perhaps not more, I just don't get mid arvo slumps or cravings.

 

I had 3 restaurant sized glasses of red last night, and boy didn't it knock me around. I've stopped drinking mid week... most of the time. Interrupted sleep, sinus, sniffles and a headache. Funnily enough if I have a spirit with diet mixer I'm fine the next day

[betty boop]

15 hours ago, betty boop said:

People anyone read this from abc ?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2019-05-30/highly-processed-food-and-disease-risk-food-labels/11153774

 

Ultra-processed food link to disease and death grows — so do we need to shift our food policy?

 

from the article,

"What is an 'ultra-processed' food?

"If the term "ultra-processed" food conjures images of fluoro-orange cheese-flavoured snacks and sour gummy lollies, you wouldn't be wrong. 

 

But there are other foods you might not realise also fall into this category."

~

"Packaged biscuits, sausages, instant soups and fruit yoghurts are all classed as ultra-processed under the NOVA food classification system, which is recognised by global health agencies including the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation. 

 

Ultra-processed foods tend to be higher in nutrients we know are not good for us, namely salt, fat and added sugar, but this new wave of evidence suggests their health impact is more than the sum of their parts, said Alexandra Jones from the George Institute for Global Health."

 

fruit yoghurts... great example ...

 

people think its good for them. I've been involved in creation of the preparations that go in these fruit yoghurts ...

 

while might think its adding fruit to yoghurt. can tell you the fruit received is already processed. then re processed to make in a preparation. much added in ingredietnts and processed again.  so can then go to yoghurt making operation that processes again to add in usually to yoghurt.

 

the yoghurt itself too.... there seems some that are nothing like yoghurt, seem to have all sorts added to them where yoghurt itself should be an ultra simple thing. milk plus culture and sets.

 

such a simple example, what many will take as granted, even seen as healthy... and  shows how far we have strayed.... 

 

as the article rightly says....

 

"Current food labelling in Australia focuses on salt, fat and sugar. But both Professor Lawrence and Ms Jones said evidence was mounting to suggest the degree of processing should also be communicated to consumers."

 

be worth doing as otherwise can be completely oblivious just how processed some things are....

[needlerunner]

I've got more energy since cutting out sugar... well perhaps not more, I just don't get mid arvo slumps or cravings.
 
I had 3 restaurant sized glasses of red last night, and boy didn't it knock me around. I've stopped drinking mid week... most of the time. Interrupted sleep, sinus, sniffles and a headache. Funnily enough if I have a spirit with diet mixer I'm fine the next day

Me too. When l went Palio. Headaches for 3 days. Lethargic for 10. Then l turned a corner. Heaps energy, no cravings, lost heap of weight.

Red wine is my downfall. Love it.
Keep telling myself it's made from grapes...healthy, right.
[emoji524]=[emoji485]=Good. Eisenstein's theory of
Alcoholrelatively.

[blybo]

16 hours ago, needlerunner said:

Me too. When l went Palio. Headaches for 3 days. Lethargic for 10. Then l turned a corner. Heaps energy, no cravings, lost heap of weight.

Red wine is my downfall. Love it.
Keep telling myself it's made from grapes...healthy, right.
==Good. Eisenstein's theory of
Alcoholrelatively.

maybe we should try the preservative free or organic wines???

[needlerunner]

maybe we should try the preservative free or organic wines???

Maybe, never tried them.
Still alcohol though which = high sugar content, unfortunately. And expensive l believe.

[Ittaku]

1 minute ago, needlerunner said:

Maybe, never tried them.
Still alcohol though which = high sugar content, unfortunately. And expensive l believe.

Not really; most alcoholic drinks have consumed virtually all the actual sugar in them to create alcohol. But obviously alcohol has its own effects and metabolism which are quite distinct and different from sugar, though they share some common elements.

[betty boop]

just be vary some of the preservative free organic business is all smoke mirrors. eg all beers are sold pasteurised in anywise. ,major breweries in australia send bottled or canned or keg product through a pasteuriser before final packaging.... so should have no need for preservatives.

 

good article below, personally i think compared with the amount of processing that goes on with foods, what processing there is in alcohol an stuff added is pretty minimal, least worries

 

https://www.choice.com.au/food-and-drink/drinks/alcohol/articles/preservatives-in-wine-and-beer

[blybo]

Just now, Ittaku said:

Not really; most alcoholic drinks have consumed virtually all the actual sugar in them to create alcohol. But obviously alcohol has its own effects and metabolism which are quite distinct and different from sugar, though they share some common elements.

If only most beer drinkers knew ALL beer is low carb and low sugar!!!! Still got calories though.

 

I did find it very interesting that the liver does not produce insulin in response to alcohol, so drinking in moderation is okay on the Keto diet, but of course, you still have to be in calorie deficit to lose weight. 

[blybo]

7 minutes ago, betty boop said:

just be vary some of the preservative free organic business is all smoke mirrors. eg all bears are sold pasteurised in anywise. ,major breweries in australia send bottled or canned or keg product through a pasteuriser before final packaging.... so should have no need for preservatives.

 

good article below, personally i think compared with the amount of processing that goes on with foods, what processing there is in alcohol an stuff added is pretty minimal, least worries

 

https://www.choice.com.au/food-and-drink/drinks/alcohol/articles/preservatives-in-wine-and-beer

all I know is red wine is far more likely to get me than the same alcohol content of dark rum, scotch (mixed with diet cola) or beer. Pity, I really enjoy and savour red wine where others get drunk like lolly water. I can drink a 6 pack of beer or pre mixed spirits over the course of an evening (4-5 hours) and feel mildly tipsy, but a full bottle of red would really hit me at the time as well as the next day.

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, blybo said:

all I know is red wine is far more likely to get me than the same alcohol content of dark rum, scotch (mixed with diet cola) or beer. Pity, I really enjoy and savour red wine where others get drunk like lolly water. I can drink a 6 pack of beer or pre mixed spirits over the course of an evening (4-5 hours) and feel mildly tipsy, but a full bottle of red would really hit me at the time as well as the next day.

the article is interesting to read in that regard, not sure have  

[blybo]

19 minutes ago, betty boop said:

the article is interesting to read in that regard, not sure have  

Yeah I read it and it discounted what I feel. Most of the spirits I drink are dark, as is the wine so most of what I consume are higher in congeners. A bottle of red is roughly the same alcohol as 6 mid strength beers or pre mixed spirits.

Edited June 1, 2019 by blybo

[betty boop]

perhaps its just a concentration thing and how hits body. 13%  alcohol per glass red wine is high vs say one shot in a mixer 7% alcohol ? or mid strength beer also alcohol is only 3.5% lets say in 375ml -  1 std drink per bottle or stubbie ? 

 

a bottle of wine is a bit of a hit overall too with 8.5 std drinks. they say the 1 std drink per hour is a good guide. just depends how its being processed  any other food - water to go with. 

 

if wines have anything added, they'd need to declare them, it could be suphites, sulphites are naturally occurring in wine, but any added (220-228) and need to be declared over limits,

 

https://www.fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/220-228-sulphite-preservatives

 

https://www.wineaustralia.com/labelling/domestic-labelling

 

https://www.wineaustralia.com/news/articles/know-your-sulphite-limits

[Guest Muon N']

The thing that causes damage to the human body in alcoholic drinks is the alcohol

 

I'm eating well in the first half of the day, and even nibbling on sunflower seeds and having a glass of water with a spoon full of organic Broccoli powder among other more healthy things, It's in the evenings where I get cravings for potato chips and Allen's Chicos while gaming that brings me undone

[betty boop]

8 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

The thing that causes damage to the human body in alcoholic drinks is the alcohol

 

I'm eating well in the first half of the day, and even nibbling on sunflower seeds and having a glass of water with a spoon full of organic Broccoli powder among other more healthy things, It's in the evenings where I get cravings for potato chips and Allen's Chicos while gaming that brings me undone

no doubt about the alcohol thing muon. its basically a toxin or how body sees it... anyways we do indulge I guess. all in moderation....

 

good on you for healthy path. but wha the hell is broccoli powder ? (don't care if its organic) ...but cant steam some broccoli in stead  probably good to munch on ... amongst other things  

[Ittaku]

12 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

The thing that causes damage to the human body in alcoholic drinks is the alcohol

That's debatable. There's as much research showing it's good for you as bad (in moderation.) When research is that divided it's very hard to draw any conclusions in spite of bold news headlines declaring one or the other.

Edited June 1, 2019 by Ittaku

[Guest Muon N']

17 hours ago, betty boop said:

no doubt about the alcohol thing muon. its basically a toxin or how body sees it... anyways we do indulge I guess. all in moderation....

 

good on you for healthy path. but wha the hell is broccoli powder ? (don't care if its organic) ...but cant steam some broccoli in stead  probably good to munch on ... amongst other things  

Try eating a whole plate of Broccoli, I have tried and It's more difficult than I thought

 

I have never really been one for eating for pleasure unless It's crap food, not great but for some reason dark in the recesses of my noggin something makes me feel guilty eating real food for pleasure, I kid you not

 

I'd be happy with Astronaut food I imagine

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

Try eating a whole plate of Broccoli, I have tried and It's more difficult than I thought

 

I have never really been one for eating for pleasure unless It's crap food, not great but for some reason dark in the recesses of my noggin something makes me feel guilty eating real food for pleasure, I kid you not

 

I'd be happy with Astronaut food I imagine

dont mind a bowl of of steam veggies... seems to go well with chilli tuna   often my lunch .... yum 

 

[Guest Muon N']

17 hours ago, Ittaku said:

That's debatable. There's as much research showing it's good for you as bad (in moderation.) When research is that divided it's very hard to draw any conclusions in spite of bold news headlines declaring one or the other.

If there is one of a few things I know about and that is Alcohol.

 

But each to their own vices, mine is Allen's Chicos....the shame! I need a good whipping, I do

[Guest Muon N']

17 hours ago, betty boop said:

dont mind a bowl of of steam veggies... seems to go well with chilli tuna   often my lunch .... yum 

 

I mean, a large plate of just Broccoli, a mound! of the stuff.....nothing else

 

I can handle a mixed plate no worries!

 

Edit: just that a glass of liquid goes down easier.

Edited June 1, 2019 by Muon N'

[Ittaku]

38 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

If there is one of a few things I know about and that is Alcohol.

I'm a doctor and my wife's a nutritionist and we're health and food obsessed nuts. So yeah I can understand there are plenty of other people out there just as obsessed about this stuff too.

[Guest Muon N']

17 hours ago, Ittaku said:

I'm a doctor and my wife's a nutritionist and we're health and food obsessed nuts. So yeah I can understand there are plenty of other people out there just as obsessed about this stuff too.

Cool.  I haven't seen anything on positives physiologically, the thing with red wine and antioxidants is a red herring as I see it, as you get more from a small handful of berries and that is not the alcohol you are benefiting from anyway, It's included in the wine making process, very different from Alcohol being beneficial.

 

 

[Ittaku]

1 minute ago, Muon N' said:

Cool.  I haven't seen anything on positives physiologically, the thing with red wine and antioxidants is a red herring as I see it, as you get more from a small handful of berries and that is not the alcohol you are benefiting from anyway, It's included in the wine making process, very different from Alcohol being beneficial.

Yeah it's painful trawling through the alcohol research. But you'll find as much evidence that drinking straight whisky also has the same 'benefits' in other studies too, completely discounting the polyphenols and antioxidant theory. But then you'll also find as much research showing both are equally bad. So much research goes unnoticed or never cited, yet others get headlines in news all the time depending on who's conducting the study and the effort they go to to publicise their results. All I can say is the truth never changes, but the science keeps evolving. One thing we know is that most nutritional research isn't worth its weight as toilet paper, but that doesn't stop it getting headlines.

[Guest Muon N']

@Ittaku Is very important to research the researchers, and who is funding it....I couldn't agree with that side more

[needlerunner]

Not really; most alcoholic drinks have consumed virtually all the actual sugar in them to create alcohol. But obviously alcohol has its own effects and metabolism which are quite distinct and different from sugar, though they share some common elements.

Phew! Good news. I'll keep drinking then.