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  On 01/05/2018 at 11:34 AM, Toothdoc said:

Ahh kk. Yeah same seperate dac. So I’m guessing I should get sealed too from your reasoning . 

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Given you are more music than movies, go sealed. Also check reviews whether sub is suitable for music. You want a sub which produces tight bass and is responsive.

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  On 01/05/2018 at 10:41 AM, Toothdoc said:

Is that mainly for movies ? U sure it’s not overkill for our room sizes ... I’m all good to work up to two but what’s the difference 

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90% music for me. Watch the odd movie but not that often.

  On 01/05/2018 at 10:52 AM, Toothdoc said:

If u don’t mind me asking, why u guys picked that brand over others ? 

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I was trying to get bang for buck. I am on a budget. I believe I achieved that with these subs.

 

  On 01/05/2018 at 11:34 AM, Toothdoc said:

Ahh kk. Yeah same seperate dac. So I’m guessing I should get sealed too from your reasoning . 

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I was going from a single ported sub. Wanted to try sealed as I had never had one before. I found it far easier to get them setup than ported. 

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  On 01/05/2018 at 12:03 PM, DarkNark said:

was trying to get bang for buck. I am on a budget. I believe I achieved that with these subs

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These must have been a lot cheaper before as they go for 1000 each now. Unless that’s the going rate for a cheap good sub 

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I don't consider "bang for buck" to mean the cheapest. There are many criteria that are important to me that may not be be important for you and vice versa.

 

I just reread your answers and see that your budget is $1000. Since I am just starting out like yourself I would hesitate to recommend a sub for you. There are far more experienced members who could probably guide you in what to have a listen to for that budget. Maybe start a thread.

 

As a beginner, I will say, consider two subs, even if its buy one now, and in the future you add an extra one. I read threads here and elsewhere with many people extolling the virtues of multiple subs. I was thinking (probably like you) yeh but thats double the budget! I was skeptical, but now a believer. :)

 

BTW I see SB1000's come up in the classifieds, semi regularly, for just over half the current retail price.

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@DarkNark thanks man. Thanks for the tips. Yeah I’m sure u did your research by getting that one. And since our rooms are roughly the same size It’s probably a good option and recommendation 

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It's strange. I was connecting the rega elex from pre out to run my fronts. Then I tried to connect front directly into the anthem and the dialogue is a lot clearer. 

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  On 03/05/2018 at 1:11 PM, Toothdoc said:

It's strange. I was connecting the rega elex from pre out to run my fronts. Then I tried to connect front directly into the anthem and the dialogue is a lot clearer. 

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The amp stage on the Anthem is good but unlikely to match the Rega Elex. Suggest checking connectors, settings on Rega, cabling.

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I'm thinking of joining the club and would like some advice if anyone has time -> 

 

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  On 06/05/2018 at 11:14 PM, br0d0 said:

I'm thinking of joining the club and would like some advice if anyone has time -> 

 

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Instead of an AVM60, why not go the MRX -1120?  It will save you the effort and cost of getting amps.

 

Yes, the AVM-60 has a better analog to digital section, quieter stages and better power supply. Very good step up for music but not sure you will be able to hear the difference for movies. 

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Yeah that's what I thought. The price difference is so substantially different, you would just be better off saving the money and spending it on a good dac or amp for music, but of course it would be seperate 

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  On 06/05/2018 at 11:37 PM, Toothdoc said:

Yeah that's what I thought. The price difference is so substantially different, you would just be better off saving the money and spending it on a good dac or amp for music, but of course it would be seperate 

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I’d go this approach dedicated 2ch with ht bypass and best of both worlds

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I was going to put the 1120 in as an option so thanks. Done. Fortune saved! ?

And yeah, I had no idea how I was going to do music if not separate so that seems like the way to go.

Thanks all.

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  On 06/05/2018 at 11:41 PM, :) al said:

I’d go this approach dedicated 2ch with ht bypass and best of both worlds

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Hey Al, I noticed you've got a Marantz pre paired with an Elektra HD2 7. Just wondering why you've chosen this route instead of integrated?

 

Is it more advanced use or just the greater passion for different types/formats of music? I'm just getting into this but don't want to limit where it can take me. 

 

If it's too off topic for this thread there's always my advice thread. Cheers.

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  On 06/05/2018 at 11:55 PM, br0d0 said:

Hey Al, I noticed you've got a Marantz pre paired with an Elektra HD2 7. Just wondering why you've chosen this route instead of integrated?

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hi brodo, for many years I too ran an AVR .... infact for over a decade during the reign of DVD. A grunty harman kardon wiht a hefty power supply inside. then for some years ran a replacement harman kardon with a heftier and more channel capable unit (when moved across to a 7.1 setup). intrigued wth the possible benefits of a power amp, I explored (demoing many brands in rotel, parasound, primare, krell, nad, bryston and what not) and while going into check out a rotel power amp (forum favourite of the time), following the demo of the rote, I noticed a glossy faced back box with gold writing sitting quietly in the corner and asked for a demo of it from the retailer (audio trends). who obliged and i was instantly quite taken with the sound ! 

 

 I managed to get a home demo of said amp.... and ever since then.... :D

 

 

many other aspects of my system has changed but one aspect thats been a constant has been elektra amps. one thing I learnt from the exercise above was AVRs can make for pretty good av pre-processors. the harman kardon units of the time were legendary with their lexicon logic-7 processing and the such. really sad of the demise of the company since.

 

with the dawn of blu-ray while i managed for a while switching hdmi and such around a non hdmi capable AVR, I eventually caved and updated AVRs to a denon 4308 which was some $5k aVR of the time. again glorious processor. supremely capable and brought me into the world of hdmi.

 

I got the opportunity to upgrade to the flagship denon av processor in the AVP-A1HD which denon continued to support over some 8 years I ran it and kept it state of the art at all times. 

 

the dawn the new 3D audio formats 3 years ago, had me intrigued and so i ended up investing in a marantz av8802 and it was very much a suck and see basis. I didnt sell my denon flag ship still for a good 2-3 years later ! and it took a good 1-2 years of planning and figuring out with 3D audio before managed to pull it off in my home setting. why did I go the marantz. being very happy with the D&M product, capability, quality support, the marantz was the obvious choice. I still dont think its upto level of mighty denon it replaced but the denim cost some 2-3x the marantz ! 

 

the elektras my original elektra I moved on after some 7 years off ownership mainly to move across to the Theatre HD models with their XLR capability. which brought me I found better noise floor and between equilisations of levels across the system rather than having some channels on RCA and some XLR. when came to adding 3D audio, I explored all options again as I have done each time I have invested in amps ( 3 times over the last 20 years) and I looked at all sorts from other local made and again overseas brands, nad parasound, nad, primare, anthem, emotiva, bryston etc and dollar for quality to me elektra was a no brainer to add as an extra power amp again.

 

a bit long winded... but hopefully explains how ended up going this way. I do think the elektra are an extra ordinary product we are very lucky to have access to. and have no doubt it would sell for twice its worth overseas if sold there... just as we have currently with overseas brands selling for twice they are worth locally... than in their home country :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 07/05/2018 at 12:24 AM, :) al said:

hi brodo, for many years I too ran an AVR .... infact for over a decade during the reign of DVD. A grunty harman kardon wiht a hefty power supply inside. then for some years ran a replacement harman kardon with a heftier and more channel capable unit (when moved across to a 7.1 setup). intrigued wth the possible benefits of a power amp, I explored (demoing many brands in rotel, parasound, primare, krell, nad, bryston and what not) and while going into check out a rotel power amp (forum favourite of the time), following the demo of the rote, I noticed a glossy faced back box with gold writing sitting quietly in the corner and asked for a demo of it from the retailer (audio trends). who obliged and i was instantly quite taken with the sound ! 

 

 I managed to get a home demo of said amp.... and ever since then.... :D

 

 

many other aspects of my system has changed but one aspect thats been a constant has been elektra amps. one thing I learnt from the exercise above was AVRs can make for pretty good av pre-processors. the harman kardon units of the time were legendary with their lexicon logic-7 processing and the such. really sad of the demise of the company since.

 

with the dawn of blu-ray while i managed for a while switching hdmi and such around a non hdmi capable AVR, I eventually caved and updated AVRs to a denon 4308 which was some $5k aVR of the time. again glorious processor. supremely capable and brought me into the world of hdmi.

 

I got the opportunity to upgrade to the flagship denon av processor in the AVP-A1HD which denon continued to support over some 8 years I ran it and kept it state of the art at all times. 

 

the dawn the new 3D audio formats 3 years ago, had me intrigued and so i ended up investing in a marantz av8802 and it was very much a suck and see basis. I didnt sell my denon flag ship still for a good 2-3 years later ! and it took a good 1-2 years of planning and figuring out with 3D audio before managed to pull it off in my home setting. why did I go the marantz. being very happy with the D&M product, capability, quality support, the marantz was the obvious choice. I still dont think its upto level of mighty denon it replaced but the denim cost some 2-3x the marantz ! 

 

the elektras my original elektra I moved on after some 7 years off ownership mainly to move across to the Theatre HD models with their XLR capability. which brought me I found better noise floor and between equilisations of levels across the system rather than having some channels on RCA and some XLR. when came to adding 3D audio, I explored all options again as I have done each time I have invested in amps ( 3 times over the last 20 years) and I looked at all sorts from other local made and again overseas brands, nad parasound, nad, primare, anthem, emotiva, bryston etc and dollar for quality to me elektra was a no brainer to add as an extra power amp again.

 

a bit long winded... but hopefully explains how ended up going this way. I do think the elektra are an extra ordinary product we are very lucky to have access to. and have no doubt it would sell for twice its worth overseas if sold there... just as we have currently with overseas brands selling for twice they are worth locally... than in their home country :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Al. You've been in this a long time. I'm excited about this journey and impatient to get going but I needn't be. Though I do like the idea of a pre/power amp setup and the ability to upgrade components, I just don't have the experience to warrant it... yet. I wouldn't know what I was missing by going with the 1120 (after coming from the rx-v667) so yeah, I'll go the integrated route. It'll do me fine. It's a hell of an upgrade by the sounds of things.

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I just started setting up my AVM60. My initial impressions of the gui and menu was not that great. Kind of feel like im using a receiver from early 2000. Very DOSy ..

Setting up wireless was a pain in the ass. Never had issues doing that before. And ive set up wireless connections a million times since the 90s. 

Shouldnt be so hard with something so simple. 

 

So i just updated the firmware. Just read in the notes , theres a fix for wireless issues so hopefully ill have no more issues with connecting to my router.

(Has a DV update ! yay! )

 

My yammy didnt do DV decoding, so im happy about that.

 

Anyone familiar with Anthem DACs? How do they compare to Yamaha ? I read on another group, that yamaha has much better dacs and processing than the AVM60? Opinions?

I havnt had a listen yet , buy after reading those comments it has created a concern in mind considering i just sold my Aventage yamaha receiver .( didnt like the sound)

 

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  On 07/05/2018 at 12:37 AM, br0d0 said:

Thanks Al. You've been in this a long time. I'm excited about this journey and impatient to get going but I needn't be. Though I do like the idea of a pre/power amp setup and the ability to upgrade components, I just don't have the experience to warrant it... yet. I wouldn't know what I was missing by going with the 1120 (after coming from the rx-v667) so yeah, I'll go the integrated route. It'll do me fine. It's a hell of an upgrade by the sounds of things.

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brodo, you have a large room, my concern with the 1120 is what it has up its sleeve in reserves, 

 

they claim 140w pc but only 2 channel driven ! and even remaining channels only 60wpc again 2 channel driven. power consumption is a very low 570w. efficiency of amps is such that doesnt leave a heck of a lot to spread around driving all those channels especially if cranking wont leave a lot for dynamics. which is where power amps come in. but anyways something only you can decide depending on kind of budget vs what hoping to achieve.

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  On 07/05/2018 at 1:26 AM, :) al said:

brodo, you have a large room, my concern with the 1120 is what it has up its sleeve in reserves, 

 

they claim 140w pc but only 2 channel driven ! and even remaining channels only 60wpc again 2 channel driven. power consumption is a very low 570w. efficiency of amps is such that doesnt leave a heck of a lot to spread around driving all those channels especially if cranking wont leave a lot for dynamics. which is where power amps come in. but anyways something only you can decide depending on kind of budget vs what hoping to achieve.

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Hmmm yeah that's what I'm wondering. Which is why I think I can go AVM 60 with MCA525 to start with (5.1) and upgrade from there.

 

Does the 1120 have the option to add a power-amp? I take it it doesn't.

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  On 07/05/2018 at 1:25 AM, Isaac Otaiza said:

I just started setting up my AVM60. My initial impressions of the gui and menu was not that great. Kind of feel like im using a receiver from early 2000. Very DOSy ..

Setting up wireless was a pain in the ass. Never had issues doing that before. And ive set up wireless connections a million times since the 90s. 

Shouldnt be so hard with something so simple. 

 

So i just updated the firmware. Just read in the notes , theres a fix for wireless issues so hopefully ill have no more issues with connecting to my router.

(Has a DV update ! yay! )

 

My yammy didnt do DV decoding, so im happy about that.

 

Anyone familiar with Anthem DACs? How do they compare to Yamaha ? I read on another group, that yamaha has much better dacs and processing than the AVM60? Opinions?

I havnt had a listen yet , buy after reading those comments it has created a concern in mind considering i just sold my Aventage yamaha receiver .( didnt like the sound)

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There has been problems with WiFi; firmware update hopefully fixed them. Easiest way to set up WiFi is using the PlayFi app on phone.

 

Yes, there are claims that the Yamaha DAC chips are better but I have yet to read anything about people recommending Yamaha AVRs for music. On the other hand, Anthem AVRs are widely praised for their music ability and Anthem Room Correction (ARC) is one of the best around.  Let your ears be the judge.

  On 07/05/2018 at 1:34 AM, br0d0 said:

Hmmm yeah that's what I'm wondering. Which is why I think I can go AVM 60 with MCA525 to start with (5.1) and upgrade from there.

 

Does the 1120 have the option to add a power-amp? I take it it doesn't.

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I suggested the 1120 to save on the amps now, particularly when you are going 5.1 initially. Should you want to add power amps in the future, you can use the pre-outs on the 1120.

 

Another option is get a 720 for now, enough for your 5.1 setup and you save more money. Add power amps as you increase your channels. And with the money saved, you can consider a stereo integrated amp for music.

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  On 07/05/2018 at 1:43 AM, Snoopy8 said:

I suggested the 1120 to save on the amps now, particularly when you are going 5.1 initially. Should you want to add power amps in the future, you can use the pre-outs on the 1120.

 

Another option is get a 720 for now, enough for your 5.1 setup and you save more money. Add power amps as you increase your channels. And with the money saved, you can consider a stereo integrated amp for music.

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Ooh that sounds interesting. So the 720 is capable of amplifying 7.2 on it's own? Then I'd just need a 4 channel power amp connected to the pre-outs to get 7.2.4 atmos? If so that sounds like a great option.

 

Regarding stereo, would it be possible (and best) to add two 2 channel amps so that the LR speakers are on their own amp? Or are you talking a completely separate system (which I'm fine with)?

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  On 07/05/2018 at 1:25 AM, Isaac Otaiza said:

. My initial impressions of the gui and menu was not that great. Kind of feel like im using a receiver from early 2000. Very DOSy ..

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So true... That's my biggest gripe with this system. Although I've never owned another one so I don't know if it's normal 

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  On 07/05/2018 at 1:26 AM, :) al said:

brodo, you have a large room, my concern with the 1120 is what it has up its sleeve in reserves, 

 

they claim 140w pc but only 2 channel driven ! and even remaining channels only 60wpc again 2 channel driven. power consumption is a very low 570w. efficiency of amps is such that doesnt leave a heck of a lot to spread around driving all those channels especially if cranking wont leave a lot for dynamics. which is where power amps come in. but anyways something only you can decide depending on kind of budget vs what hoping to achieve.

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The 1120 comes with 5 channels driven by Class A/B amps and 6 by Class D amps. Normally, I would be concerned about the low 570W, but it performed very well in a dedicated room about 6 x 5m room.

  On 07/05/2018 at 1:50 AM, br0d0 said:

 

Ooh that sounds interesting. So the 720 is capable of amplifying 7.2 on it's own? Then I'd just need a 4 channel power amp connected to the pre-outs get get 7.2.4 atmos? If so that sounds like a great option.

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The 720 has 7 amps (5 x Class A/B, 2 x Class D) and 11.2 pre amp. Suggest you check out the amps on 720 before committing to a power amp.

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  On 07/05/2018 at 2:00 AM, Snoopy8 said:

The 1120 comes with 5 channels driven by Class A/B amps and 6 by Class D amps. Normally, I would be concerned about the low 570W, but it performed very well in a dedicated room about 6 x 5m room.

The 720 has 7 amps (5 x Class A/B, 2 x Class D) and 11.2 pre amp. Suggest you check out the amps on 720 before committing to a power amp.

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Ok thanks. Trade-in deal lasts until end of June so I've got some time to research. Another option is to just stick with my current setup and wait for the next generation. Aah the waiting for new tech game...

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