Unfortunately yes it is from personal experience. I refuse to use them with any of our clients now. Too many issues with them especially with configuration drops and power supply failures. Between the netgear and dlink products I have given up on them.

As I said for the home market they might be fine but I wouldn't use them as a dedicated NAS there are other better out there especially in the QNAP and Synology products. This is my personal belief and experience if you have had a better experience then all is good. I am not criticising anyone's decision in buying a Netgear I just don't like the product. I am coming from an IT background and therefore will be more biased towards enterprise/business grade products and the synology can hold its own as an entry level based SAN/NAS.

+ 1

Same experience here. Won't touch d link or net gear. Especially there modems!

I'm replacing my red 2tb's with these

Seagate NAS HDD 4TB, ST4000VN000

Ide do the same if the stora accepted bigger than 2tb . I run it in jbod mode for max capacity and 1 drive is a wd green Don't worry about raid array and mirroring though ; Ive got a cheap 2tb seagate usb drive duplicating everything

8 bay Synology @ $990 (disk less).

http://www.estore.co...oduct/syn000039

Nice one Chops, that's a good price.

Blade

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

Also worth mentioning... You guys are raving about the Wd Reds they are at the bottom end and don't come in 4TB

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

Also worth mentioning... You guys are raving about the Wd Reds they are at the bottom end and don't come in 4TB

Apparently 4TB and 5TB by the end of the year

Cheers

3TB is the sweet spot $'s/GB at the moment anyway ... you would be better off putting the difference in $'s between a 3TB and 4TB drive into a larger (ie more bays) NAS.

Edited July 22, 201312 yr by Guest

3TB is the sweet spot $'s/GB at the moment anyway ... you would be better off putting the difference in $'s between a 3TB and 4TB drive into a larger (ie more bays) NAS.

I agree - 4TB Seagate is more than 1.5 times the price of 3TB WD Red

I agree - 4TB Seagate is more than 1.5 times the price of 3TB WD Red

That's about a 10% price premium per Gb.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Here is a link to various synology units:

http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/14/384/350

No affiliation to the vendor have just used them in the past

Anybody run the Synology NAS in rack mount form? I'm assuming they perform exactly the same but cost more than the 'box' setup. Would look much nicer in an AV rack.....

Would add a bit of heat to your rack ... My NASes are all in another room (my office) so fan noise, heat and flashing lights are not in the HT room.

Would add a bit of heat to your rack ... My NASes are all in another room (my office) so fan noise, heat and flashing lights are not in the HT room.

My AV rack is in an equipment room adjacent to the HT, so flashing lights and fan noise don't affect my setup. Looking closely at the prices you could get a couple of HDD's with the box setup compared to a diskless rack mount version.... Mmmmmm decisions!!

My AV rack is in an equipment room adjacent to the HT, so flashing lights and fan noise don't affect my setup. Looking closely at the prices you could get a couple of HDD's with the box setup compared to a diskless rack mount version.... Mmmmmm decisions!!

I've never really understood this as the rack mount versions should be cheaper given they would be way easier to manufacture.

edit: perhaps better fans and PSU's in them for enterprise use.

Edited July 23, 201312 yr by Guest

Anybody run the Synology NAS in rack mount form? I'm assuming they perform exactly the same but cost more than the 'box' setup. Would look much nicer in an AV rack.....

Jack I would be looking at the specs of the unit. The rack vs pedestal versions will have more than just case changes. As Chopsus said there will most likely be a difference in processor, cooling and feature set differences. At the end of the day you want one feature (I assume you don't care about the other bells and whistles) and that is to serve you data. Therefore multiple NICs that can be teamed/aggregated is more important to you than having features like a built in ftp server etc. I personally would worry too much of a rack vs pedestal as long as I got the throughput I needed. Also I prefer a higher number of disks with smaller capacity than large capacity disks with less slots. The more platters you spread your data over the better the performance of the SAN/NAS. Since you have a rack you can put it on a shelf who really cares.

That's about a 10% price premium per Gb.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Or another way to look at it - for an 8TB RAID 5 array it would cost about $400 more to use the 4TB drives (and using 4 * 3TB would actually give you 9TB storage)

Or another way to look at it - for an 8TB RAID 5 array it would cost about $400 more to use the 4TB drives (and using 4 * 3TB would actually give you 9TB storage)

Yes ... sorta ... if there wasn;t so much of a headroom ripoff on large disks ...4 x 3TB, in RAID, = 8.1 TB (from memory) (2.7 TB per 3 TB disc)

Yes ... sorta ... if there wasn;t so much of a headroom ripoff on large disks ...4 x 3TB, in RAID, = 8.1 TB (from memory) (2.7 TB per 3 TB disc)

Isn't 4 x 2.7 equal to 10.8TB? Or am I missing something?

Also not sure if this has been answered but how much space would the average bluray movie take up once copied to the NAS assuming it will playback lossless audio and video? And how about 3D blurays?

Isn't 4 x 2.7 equal to 10.8TB? Or am I missing something?

Also not sure if this has been answered but how much space would the average bluray movie take up once copied to the NAS assuming it will playback lossless audio and video? And how about 3D blurays?

With RAID 5 (data rendundancy) you lose the capacity of 1 disk . So total = (number of disks-1)* Disk capacity - so for 4 * 3TB drives you get - (4-1) *3=9TB

Chopsus - to keep is simple I am using Metric terabyte unit (10^12) not the TiB (104^4) - Most drives are advertisied this way. 1 TB is about 0.91 TiB

Windows reports both units.

I rip blurays to ISO format - generally 20-40 GB

Edited July 23, 201312 yr by pmunger

I rip blurays to ISO format - generally 20-40 GB

Just out of curiosity, what software do you use to rip BDs?

Also not sure if this has been answered but how much space would the average bluray movie take up once copied to the NAS assuming it will playback lossless audio and video? And how about 3D blurays?

That's a good reason to compress . I cant pick the difference between a main movie that's been compressed by fab to say 12gbs with a lossless track and the full iso I just did a 3d life of pi main movie iso that was 35.4gb . If you did a full 3d iso - say prometheus or the avengers 45gb is more like it most titles I compress to m2ts ; chapter playback can be worked around

Considering a dvd can be around 4/5 gb you can see how much slack there is to play with ..

Most drives are advertisied this way. 1 TB is about 0.91 TiB

Yes, and I believe it is misleading advertising ... The argument has been going on for decades and not likely to change, but the fact is, as capacity grows, so does the con over what the consumer doesn't get.

Have to say a big thanks again to everyone for their feedback and great to see the expertise and generosity of the DTV community at work, will definitely be looking at the 8 bay Synology and will discuss other options with a few of the boys at the GTG this weekend.

Really surprised we haven't seen a greater deal of discussion around this earlier but certainly am happy with all the info that has come to the fore not only for myself but for others in this thread, I will undoubtedly be back in here asking questions even once I do get myself set up..........

Nice one Chops, that's a good price.

Blade

Back to $1090

http://www.estore.co...product/syn1018

even still ... if you find a good price Yorac, let me know .... I might rationalise this ragtag collection I have into one single unit, then task them for backups in the garage via a wireless range extender.

Edited July 23, 201312 yr by Guest

Just out of curiosity, what software do you use to rip BDs?

AnyDVD HD http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvdhd.html

That's a good reason to compress . I cant pick the difference between a main movie that's been compressed by fab to say 12gbs with a lossless track and the full iso I just did a 3d life of pi main movie iso that was 35.4gb . If you did a full 3d iso - say prometheus or the avengers 45gb is more like it most titles I compress to m2ts ; chapter playback can be worked around

Considering a dvd can be around 4/5 gb you can see how much slack there is to play with ..

For me the cost of storage is cheap enough not to justify the time to compress or potential for quality reduction. Other plus is that you maintain all disc features (+ crap)