Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 It has nothing to do with being PC, but maybe you should actually think before you shoot your mouth off. I am insulting Mo, sorry if that offended you... To rephrase - lets change it to "drama queen" hehehe
ajm1503559545 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) This might be an opportune time to start discussing Cars again... And since I'm a cross-dresser I take great offense at anyone who offends the female demographic. hmmm or we could talk about shoes... Yorac & Al not sure who mentioned the Pioneer Elite 09f player in another thread but I'm following the anticipation thread on AVS forum with....great anticipation! This is the BD player I have my sights set on unless something else spectacular comes along in the interim. Cheers Blade You might find the transvestites taking exception to the term cross dresser. Also mentioning shoes is just trying to reinforce an outdated stereotype about womes. Cars are bad for the environment so I think we should probably avoid that as a subject. Pioneer club seals to make some of their parts so perhaps better to leave that alone. AVS's links to the dodgy financiers at ABC childcare centre and is currently being investigated. Sooooo... that leaves.... not much really. Edited August 29, 2008 by ajm
Volunteer Kazz Posted August 29, 2008 Volunteer Posted August 29, 2008 I am insulting Mo, sorry if that offended you...To rephrase - lets change it to "drama queen" hehehe Ok I think it's time you got the hell out of this thread.
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Ok I think it's time you got the hell out of this thread. Hahahaha. I have had some PM saying that there is a group in the HD forums which ruins it for others and your name and Mo's were mentioned. Will still be reporting my results on the weekend - with a mate doing blind testing to make it fair. And personally if the PS3 is the problem so be it - and if neither of us can tell the difference I think the question of the Marantz needs to be looked at. Have fun!
50mxe20 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Sooooo... that leaves.... not much really. Nah, you left out global warming!
BladeRnR Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 You might find the transvestites taking exception to the term cross dresser.Also mentioning shoes is just trying to reinforce an outdated stereotype about womes. Cars are bad for the environment so I think we should probably avoid that as a subject. Pioneer club seals to make some of their parts so perhaps better to leave that alone. AVS's links to the dodgy financiers at ABC childcare centre and is currently being investigated. Sooooo... that leaves.... not much really. I'm looking around me and all I see are landmines Have a good weekend everyone! Blade
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Kazz and Mo, Just rereading this thread and keep noticing one thing: You cant tell the diifference between "the marantz may be the problem" and "the marantz is the problem" Do you see the word "may"? Ok that means that it could be and maybe we could do some further tests but its very possible the issue would be on all processors and your test is correct (BD30>PS3). BUT If for example someone does a similar test with a different processor and finds opposing results, the Marantz needs further investigation. Does this make sense to either of you?
kamma Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 guys go easy on gumball he did say problem but we all know he meant 'issue'. lets not lynch the guy for a flippant remark but gumball explain yourself better and there wont be such a drama next time
ajm1503559545 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 guys go easy on gumballhe did say problem but we all know he meant 'issue'. lets not lynch the guy for a flippant remark but gumball explain yourself better and there wont be such a drama next time Tried to say that, twice but it hasn't sunk in. Apparently it's everyone else's fault that his clear and unambigious comments was not misinterpreted correctly. Stupid us huh?!
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 To be honest Mo's and Kazz's reaction does suprise... I originally posted that I was testing with a similar setup than the OP but I had a Yamaha not a Marantz. My results were not as clear cut as the OP's and I admitted I really needed to do some blind testing. Mentioned that MAYBE or JUST GUESSING that the Marantz could be the problem - BUT I HAD NO IDEA IF THIS WAS THE CASE OR NOT. More testing was required - constant theme... To be honest Mo's extreme reaction that I was putting crap on his gear blah blah is weird and very wrong - there was no intention from me, he is not taking my comments in context with the rest of my posts and the thread.
SimonNo10 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Well I've sent Ambertech an e-mail almost a week now no response regarding the Onyko 805 receiver firmware updates...poor form. As for Panasonic well received an e-mail back after sending one to their supposed tech support e-mail and got one back saying I didn't have enough details for them to respond so please call a tech support number and speak to them.....on hold for over 10mins bye bye. Will try again when I've got some time spare.
bbar Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 We'll know how the BD30 handles This by tonight Is the audio same as HD DVD (DD+) ?
bbar Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Dolby True and DD mate ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, a better audio encode!!!!!! Let us know what you think
djOS Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) Great minds think alike.I was re-calibrating my setup after pulling it apart to do some painting, and decided to increase the sub level abit and the overall volume a fair bit Anyhow, for the first time I could actually hear (and feel) the first "pulse" attack. Not as loud as in the cinema, I still think there is an encoding fault, but it is definitely there. And like you, I decided to leave the LFE turned up just that bit over the calibrated level I decided to have another go at calibrating my System and this time used all the recomendations from the AVS Audessy Setup Guide - I also removed my Y-cable from my subwoofer (krix manual says not needed). I'd always used this guide but ignored the "set speakers to small" and "raise LPF/HPF filter to 120hz" recomendations - anyway, long story short, im now much happier with the LFE from my system! However, for my liking, the 1st "pulse" in Transformers is still to subtle (must have lowered the LFE volume for that bit intentionally on HD DVD) however everything else is sensational and the battle scenes have way more punch without ruining the soundscape or sounding boomy. Edited August 29, 2008 by djOS
ajm1503559545 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 To be honest Mo's and Kazz's reaction does suprise...I originally posted that I was testing with a similar setup than the OP but I had a Yamaha not a Marantz. My results were not as clear cut as the OP's and I admitted I really needed to do some blind testing. Mentioned that MAYBE or JUST GUESSING that the Marantz could be the problem - BUT I HAD NO IDEA IF THIS WAS THE CASE OR NOT. More testing was required - constant theme... To be honest Mo's extreme reaction that I was putting crap on his gear blah blah is weird and very wrong - there was no intention from me, he is not taking my comments in context with the rest of my posts and the thread. Ok, one more time, but this is definately the last. I've highlighted a word for you, it's the same word you used at the start. It seems to be the word that is causing grief and seems to be the meaning of this word and the context you used it that you're not quite grasping. If you consider that word and it's use (by you) in the context of your post and you might (oh and I pray you do) realise why the initial reaction mo was a little 'cool'. From that point on, it went downhill.
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) ajm - you are kidding right? My initial results gave me an impression of the BD30 being very similar to the PS3 and no way was the advantage of the BD30 as huge as Mo and kazz made out. So I said there "may be a problem" with the marantz. Nothing offensive about that - it has been documented that the Marantz has less processing power than other brands (lack of audessey with bitstream for example). I was simply saying more testing was required..... Edited August 29, 2008 by Gumball
djOS Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) ajm - you are kidding right? wake up mate, there is no Problem, just differing results! Edited August 29, 2008 by djOS
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) wake up mate, there is no Problem, just differing results! If that is the case, that there is no chance of any possible problem or issue with the marantz can you point me to the link where a BD30 was compared to a PS3 using a non Marantz 1.3 Processor/AVR and the same results were found? Anyone?? Edited August 29, 2008 by Gumball
Gumball Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) To be honest - I would love to know if its the PS3 or something else - quite simple The obsession with the phrase "maybe a problem" needs to be forgotten. lets do some testing and find out for sure whats going on - anyone with me or are we going to keep arguing over nothing.... If this thread is correct FOR SURE - I could sell my Region A PS3 and get the BD30 Modded but not until real proof is produced - quite simple and I imagine there are quite a few people reading this thread and thinking the same thing..... Edited August 29, 2008 by Gumball
ajm1503559545 Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 ajm - you are kidding right? Oh, I wish I was. The obsession with the phrase "maybe a problem" needs to be forgotten. What we have here is a failure to communicate. AAAARGGGGHH!!! What is wrong with some people - it's not that hard!?!? I'm trying (in vain it seems) to tell you that the word "problem" is the problem and the "maybe" is the least of it. Yes this is getting ridiculous, but not for the reasons you seem to think. For some bone-headed reason you don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that calling a perceived improvement a "problem" makes no sense and to the point the finger of blame (my word) at the Marantz AVR is to heap a stupid on top of a dumb. For what seems like a simple misunderstanding (ie equating an issue with problem) you sure are making it rather difficult to unravel the stupid mess you've managed to make. A simple, "oh yeah, you're right. I didn't mean problem I meant issue." and the issue we're having here evaporates. Rather than everyone else forget your slip up how about you acknowledge it and, perhaps maybe apologise for the confusion you've casused. Watching you try and get out of a divot by digging a ditch isn't as entertaining as it might have been.
BladeRnR Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 We'll know how the BD30 handles This by tonight Awesome - please report on the listening test mate! *sigh* all these great BD titles and my HT is currently stacked up inside my second bathroom. It's all about the journey Blade not the destination... I must keep telling myself that.
AndrewW Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 My initial results gave me an impression of the BD30 being very similar to the PS3 and no way was the advantage of the BD30 as huge as Mo and kazz made out. So I said there "may be a problem" with the marantz. Nothing offensive about that - it has been documented that the Marantz has less processing power than other brands (lack of audessey with bitstream for example). My biggest problem is that you immediately discounted the chance that maybe your avr/amp/speakers was unable to take full advantage of the difference between the two source, rather immediately jumped to the conclusion that there was something "wrong" with the Marantz.
betty boop Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 If that is the case, that there is no chance of any possible problem or issue with the marantz can you point me to the link where a BD30 was compared to a PS3 using a non Marantz 1.3 Processor/AVR and the same results were found? Anyone?? hi gumball, if looling for other combo results. did you miss the link to the prof review involving a pana bd50 both internal decoding and bitsreaming vs ps3 and onkyo integra as pre. and also the proffesional review of marantz 8003 pre using sammy 1500 and ps3 for source.
Chill Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 To be honest -I would love to know if its the PS3 or something else - quite simple The obsession with the phrase "maybe a problem" needs to be forgotten. lets do some testing and find out for sure whats going on - anyone with me or are we going to keep arguing over nothing.... If this thread is correct FOR SURE - I could sell my Region A PS3 and get the BD30 Modded but not until real proof is produced - quite simple and I imagine there are quite a few people reading this thread and thinking the same thing..... The "problem" Gumball is that you will not accept that your words were ill chosen for the point you were making and open to be taken as offence, that while you may not have meant them as offence (I believe you on this by the way) you have exacerbated the problem and driven this thread OT by the simple fact of not simply rewording your statement and apologizing if offence was taken. In any conversation one must be self aware of the possible context and interpretation of ones words, the adult thing to do when misinterpreted is to correct yourself and show respect for those that are offended. as an aside, how are you sure the "problem" is not with the Yamaha, perhaps it is incapable of enough resolution to demonstrate the difference
momaw Posted August 29, 2008 Author Posted August 29, 2008 My biggest problem is that you immediately discounted the chance that maybe your avr/amp/speakers was unable to take full advantage of the difference between the two source, rather immediately jumped to the conclusion that there was something "wrong" with the Marantz. Thank you Andrew. Cumball decided the Marantz was the "problem". I retorted that in my experience the marantz performs better than the yamaha and as such if one was to accuse a component of being the "problem" it was more likely the yamaha. Gumball responds by saying his equipment is good, mine is crap and it goes downhill from there. All recognise this accept one party. Don't waste your time Andrew (or you AJM). He clearly can't see how wording things in a belligerent manner might result in angst. Clearly personal insults are more important than the topic where this one is concerned.
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