lbland Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 It will be interesting how many games will be formatted in 1080i and 1080p (Note Resistance is formatted only in 720p & 480p)...as CWT pointed out its interlacing at issue here.. as the PS3 only scales down a 1080p signal to 720p and 480p From a graphics rendering perspective, there is no difference in rendering cost between 1080i and 1080p. Both require you to render in 1920x1080. On the Xbox360, developers need only render everything in 1280x720. The Xbox360 will happily scale that image up to 1920x1080 or down to 640x480 (or any of the many resolutions inbetween). When developing for the PS3, it's a TRC violation to use the scaler built into the PS3. Thus, developers must render internally at the same resolution in the output. If you want 1080i output, you have to render at 1920x1080. If you want 576p, you have to render at 576p. Now, given the shortage of pixel processing power in the PS3, not many games are going to output at 1080i/p. Unfortunately that means that if your TV can't take a 720p signal, then you won't be enjoying next-gen hi-def enterainment from your PS3. My personal feeling is that I don't believe Sony will be able to fix this with a software update. Possibly a new hardware revision of the PS3 will be able to fix this. Latch
Skid_MacMarx Posted November 27, 2006 Author Posted November 27, 2006 When developing for the PS3, it's a TRC violation to use the scaler built into the PS3. Thus, developers must render internally at the same resolution in the output. If you want 1080i output, you have to render at 1920x1080. If you want 576p, you have to render at 576p. Now, given the shortage of pixel processing power in the PS3, not many games are going to output at 1080i/p. Unfortunately that means that if your TV can't take a 720p signal, then you won't be enjoying next-gen hi-def enterainment from your PS3. My personal feeling is that I don't believe Sony will be able to fix this with a software update. Possibly a new hardware revision of the PS3 will be able to fix this. Thanks Latch for straightening that out for me.. so 720p will be the defacto standard considering the TRC clause .. or well at least to the hardware revision SCE president Ken Kutaragi asked developers to adhere to the TRC to facilitate compatibility with future PlayStations, stating that the company was having some difficulty getting backward compatibility with games that had not followed the TRCs. It has been confirmed (image) that initial PS3 units will include the CPU/rasterizer combination chip used in slim PS2 (EE+GS) to achieve backward compatibility. -source: wiki
Guest Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 From a graphics rendering perspective, there is no difference in rendering cost between 1080i and 1080p. Both require you to render in 1920x1080. On the Xbox360, developers need only render everything in 1280x720. The Xbox360 will happily scale that image up to 1920x1080 or down to 640x480 (or any of the many resolutions inbetween). When developing for the PS3, it's a TRC violation to use the scaler built into the PS3. Thus, developers must render internally at the same resolution in the output. If you want 1080i output, you have to render at 1920x1080. If you want 576p, you have to render at 576p. Now, given the shortage of pixel processing power in the PS3, not many games are going to output at 1080i/p. Unfortunately that means that if your TV can't take a 720p signal, then you won't be enjoying next-gen hi-def enterainment from your PS3. My personal feeling is that I don't believe Sony will be able to fix this with a software update. Possibly a new hardware revision of the PS3 will be able to fix this.Latch Why would it be a TRC violation for Sony/PS3 and not M$/360?
migrane Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 I posted this on another topic so I thought I'd better reiterate it here for BluRay fans: This site dvdownunder.com.au/news/editorial.php#24-11-2006 announced yesterday that Paramount have pulled both HD-DVD and BluRay releases of Mission Impossible Boxed Set and the third film. Here's the important item. Paramount pulls Mission : Impossible 3 Paramount has just pulled the plug on both Blu-Ray and HD DVD releases for the Mission Impossible Films, due out 30th November 2006. M:i:3 and the 1, 2 & 3 movie boxset would have been Paramount's very first High Defintion disc releases for the Australian Market, and the very first HD DVD MOVIES to be released downunder. No new release date has been confirmed at this stage The other news was that Warners had delayed their December 6 releases of HD-DVD titles, but would continue to release the 6 titles on Bluray.
Guest Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 I posted this on another topic so I thought I'd better reiterate it here for BluRay fans:This site dvdownunder.com.au/news/editorial.php#24-11-2006 announced yesterday that Paramount have pulled both HD-DVD and BluRay releases of Mission Impossible Boxed Set and the third film. Here's the important item. Paramount pulls Mission : Impossible 3 Paramount has just pulled the plug on both Blu-Ray and HD DVD releases for the Mission Impossible Films, due out 30th November 2006. M:i:3 and the 1, 2 & 3 movie boxset would have been Paramount's very first High Defintion disc releases for the Australian Market, and the very first HD DVD MOVIES to be released downunder. No new release date has been confirmed at this stage The other news was that Warners had delayed their December 6 releases of HD-DVD titles, but would continue to release the 6 titles on Bluray. Probably due to the fact that most current HD-DVD owners have already bought the MI:3 set overseas!!!
Mike Kakay Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 For Skiddy-poo's: Yellow Dog Linux launches for PS3The first stage of the "three-phase rollout" for the open-source operating system starts November 27. Sony has been saying that it sees its new next-gen machine, the PlayStation 3, as more of a computer than a console. Terra Soft Solutions is now making Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 available for download for the PS3, taking that idea a step closer to reality. The operating system will be rolling out in three stages. The first starts today, November 27, and users can obtain the software from YDL.net. The second starts December 11, when customers can buy DVDs from the Terra Soft store, priced at $99.99--the final phase is due sometime during the week of December 25, when downloads will be available via public mirrors. Once the software is released for download on the public mirrors, it will be free of charge. To install Yellow Dog Linux, users must first split the PS3's drive into two partitions so that the GameOS and Linux can run on dual partitions. The gamer will also need a USB keyboard and mouse to run the operating system. The installation manual is available on Terra Soft's Web site. According to the manual, when Sony Computer Entertainment designed the PS3, "it was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer." The manual adds that Yellow Dog Linux would make available several new uses for the PS3. It reads, "Everything you need to browse the web, check and compose e-mail, do your school homework or take your office work home is included." By Emma Boyes -- GameSpot Posted Nov 27, 2006 10:43 am PT
Jace Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Probably due to the fact that most current HD-DVD owners have already bought the MI:3 set overseas!!! No, it's due to the fact that there are no HD DVD players on the Australian market as yet. There are, however, Blu-Ray players, hence Warners decision to release those titles now. MI:III was the only Paramount title announced to date, so they've just pulled their support period until the HD formats are up and running.
Guest Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 No, it's due to the fact that there are no HD DVD players on the Australian market as yet. The smiley wink at the end of my first sentence shouldve indicated the sarcastic nature of my comments. Paramount have also pulled the MI3 BR edition, so its got nothing to do with lack of HD-DVD players in the country.
lbland Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Why would it be a TRC violation for Sony/PS3 and not M$/360? Sony and Microsoft both individually set their own TRCs. Sony included the scaler in the PS3 hardware but obviously there have been some issues with the quality of the result. Hence it's not an option to use it to scale the output. Microsoft however, doesn't have the same issue with their scaler hardware, so it's perfectly fine and reasonable to use the scaler just as it was originally intended. In this case, Sony stuffed up the scaler so they forbib developers from using it. MS got it right so it's business as usual for them. Latch.
Jace Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 The smiley wink at the end of my first sentence shouldve indicated the sarcastic nature of my comments. Paramount have also pulled the MI3 BR edition, so its got nothing to do with lack of HD-DVD players in the country. It would be a stupid decision if it isn't. Why would a studio release a title on DVD if there are no players in the market to play them? The US HD-DVD players in Australia are grey imports and Paramount would be oblivious to their presence. The Blu-Ray version was pulled because MI was Paramount's only slated release, unlike Warners.
MELso Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 An article on Tom's Hardware has already written off Blu-Ray in the format wars. A bit premature IMO, but there you go. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/29/enderle_...ristmas_trends/
betty boop Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 For Skiddy-poo's: like the sounds of the yellow dog linux for the ps3. An article on Tom's Hardware has already written off Blu-Ray in the format wars. A bit premature IMO, but there you go.http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/29/enderle_...ristmas_trends/ a bit premature indeed ! hasnt really even been properly released here as yet ! and all we've seen and heard of are prototypes and 1st gen products so far.
Skid_MacMarx Posted November 30, 2006 Author Posted November 30, 2006 Thanks drkrac after re-reading all the articles and forum posts, I have also come to the same conclusion that there will be no problem getting a 1080i blu-ray HD movie signal through HDMI .. again thanks for clarifying the matter.. considering all the piracy concerns .. the issue, as noted at one forum, I believe, has more to do with this..and unfortunately the older 1080i - only sets have been caught up in the cross fire.. the more I read of its features.. the more it sounds a quantum leap from the PS2
Skid_MacMarx Posted December 1, 2006 Author Posted December 1, 2006 I wouldn't buy a PS3 machine through eBay momaw if I'm outlaying that amount of money; I prefer a local warranty I have placed an order with a local retail outlet.. saves lining up and I'll place an order for resistance when I can
momaw Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 from Australian IT " PlayStation head steps down Correspondents in Tokyo DECEMBER 01, 2006 SONY Computer Entertainment has said that the "father of the PlayStation", Ken Kutaragi, would give up the day-to-day running of the games unit which is sliding deeper into the red. Kutaragi, 58, will remain chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment and also become its chairman. But he will hand over the job of president to Kaz Hirai, head of the US operations, as part of a management reshuffle that comes as the ailing electronics giant grapples with production shortages for the new PS3. The move comes less than a month after the launch in Japan and the United States of the much-anticipated and delayed PlayStation 3 video game console, which is the brainchild of Kutaragi but has faced a string of setbacks. Kutaragi will continue to oversee the Sony Computer Entertainment group and "will fully exercise his power to reinforce and further accelerate the development of the PlayStation business," the company said in a statement. Hirai will also become group chief operating officer while David Reeves, head of the European operations, will become group deputy president in a reshuffle to reinforce management and groom a new generation of top executives. "Kutaragi will oversee the entire group operation as the group CEO but he's handing over the day-to-day operation to Hirai and David Reeves," Sony Computer Entertainment spokeswoman Nanako Kato said. "This appointment is to reinforce the management team and at the same time to train the next generation of management team. "Eventually Hirai will be trained to take the role of Kutaragi. But it's still too early for that and Kutaragi will remain as the group CEO," she said. Sony has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into PlayStation 3 and its success is considered vital to the iconic company's future following a series of setbacks, including recalls of millions of faulty computer batteries. Kutaragi is the whiz behind the PS3 and was once touted as a possible future Sony president, but he was demoted from the group's board of directors in a 2005 management reshuffle and also replaced as head of consumer electronics. The PlayStation 3 quickly sold out at its launch in Japan and the United States but analysts say the electronics giant still faces a bumpy path to profitability in its games division amid fierce competition from rivals. Sony was forced to delay the global launch of the PS3 by about six months due to problems with the high-definition DVD player and pushed back the rollout again until March 2007 in Europe. " or to read between the lines, Sony recognises he has completely stuffed up the PS3, blu-ray and put the company in deep sh!t
momaw Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Was just on ebay to check the prices of the new sony Blu-ray machine (of which I couldn't find any) but it did leave me with one question. Is there anybody at all who got a PS3 and didn't put it on ebay? I mean you wouldn't think there was a shortage if you went to ebay and looked (ignoring the prices of $900plus for em. Must be a quality product. Yes I am sounding anti PS3 but come on, did anyone keep one?
Guest Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Was just on ebay to check the prices of the new sony Blu-ray machine (of which I couldn't find any) but it did leave me with one question. Is there anybody at all who got a PS3 and didn't put it on ebay? I mean you wouldn't think there was a shortage if you went to ebay and looked (ignoring the prices of $900plus for em. Must be a quality product. Yes I am sounding anti PS3 but come on, did anyone keep one? A good 85% of all PS3 unit on EBay have no bids attached to them, and these are units currently sitting around the retail price. Not good.
Highjinx Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Hmmm here it says the PS3 is doing ok on e-bay........... http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/297278.html Sony PlayStation 3 Console Sold on eBay Every 6 Seconds Posted by Admin on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:34 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The newest console from Sony, the PlayStation 3 (PS3), is in high demand around the world. With an estimated allocation of 400,000 PS3 consoles for North America the demand is far greater than the supply. During a twelve hour period on November 18th, Sony PS3 consoles were selling at a rate of one every six seconds on eBay.com. Using Terapeak, an eBay market research tool for eBay sellers, the following analysis was performed for "PlayStation 3" with a price range between $399 - $5,000 USD. On Saturday Nov 18th, over 10,250 Sony PS3s were sold on eBay at an average price of $1,243 USD. For a 7-day period, between November 16th and November 22nd over 28,500 PS3s were sold on eBay at an average price of $1,276. In comparison, last year a little over $23 million worth of Microsoft Xbox 360s were sold in the week following its launch (November 22nd 2005). In addition, Microsoft Xbox 360s sold at an average price of $718 per console, while Sony PS3s were selling at $1,276 per console; yielding a $558 premium over Xbox 360 consoles. The following information provides further insight into Sony PlayStation 3 activity on eBay in the week following its launch: On November 18th, 2006 1. Over 2250 PlayStation 3 consoles sold between 8:00 AM - 10:00 AM PST November 16th, 2006 through November 22nd 2006 1. Over 35,000 were listed on eBay.com 2. 122 units between $4,999 USD - $6,000 USD PlayStation 3 Consoles - November 18th, 2006 Average Sold Price: $1,243 Total Listings: 12,611 Successful Listings 10,262 PlayStation 3 Consoles - November 16th, 2006 through November 22nd 2006 Average Sold Price $1,276 Total Listings 35,521 Successful Listings 28,546 Terapeak Marketplace Research has developed the most advanced research tool, helping eBay sellers learn when to sell, what price to charge and what their competition is doing. With research tools for eBay.com, eBay.de and eBay Motors Parts and Accessories, Terapeak is the international leader in eBay market research."
Guest Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 I noticed you didint mention anything about the NIntendo Wii, outselling the lot of 'em?
Highjinx Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 I noticed you didint mention anything about the NIntendo Wii, outselling the lot of 'em? Difficuilt comparo to make, Nintendo has the stock, PS3 is in short supply. Two different beasts entirely.
Guest Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Difficuilt comparo to make, Nintendo has the stock, PS3 is in short supply. Two different beasts entirely. Well Sony have been claiming the ability to ship to stores 100,000 units per week in the good 'ol US. Yet another broken promise.
Highjinx Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Well Sony have been claiming the ability to ship to stores 100,000 units per week in the good 'ol US. Yet another broken promise. Unfortunately with sophisticated devices such as the PS3, unforeseen supply/production issues do arise, in time....100k/week may be possible. Positively though, the PS3 is available.............even though demand outstrips supply. Thinking about it, even 40k/week is an amazing effort.
MELso Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Unfortunately with sophisticated devices such as the PS3, unforeseen supply/production issues do arise, in time....100k/week may be possible.Positively though, the PS3 is available.............even though demand outstrips supply. Yup - on eBay... In stores though? Errrr... no. Unlike the Wii, which is selling shedloads each week...
Highjinx Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 Yup - on eBay...In stores though? Errrr... no. Unlike the Wii, which is selling shedloads each week... PS3 are being supplied to stores, but are being snapped up as soon as they arrive.
Guest Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 but are being snapped up as soon as they arrive. Em, no theyre not. Most forums Ive read this last week are claiming its not hard to find one in stores at the moment. If this is the case, theyre not "impossible" to find. Unfortunately with sophisticated devices such as the PS3, unforeseen supply/production issues do arise, in time....100k/week may be possible. Funny how this machine is so sophisticated, even Sony cant get the basics right for a next game console...i.e. communal online gaming. Its no better tha the online play for PS2. As so many people are claimign the nex gen optical wars start and finish with these new consoles, I value good online connected play very strongly in my decision as to which consoles to buy now, and the PS3 does a very bad imitation of the 360 Live platform. YOu think having been able to examine XBLive for almost a year, they could at least come up with a similar/better gaming experience. Lets not even mention the 720p issue, an issue that at least Toshiba fixed on their standalone players, unlike Sony who have walked away from the issue.
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