amdan Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Hi guys. Anyone own one of these? I am thinking of getting one but hear they suffer from reliability problems. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Martykt Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Yes absolutely own one @amdan. I think Renault cops a fair bit of flack about reliability due to the poor quality Peugeot and Citroen had for quite a while there so Renault being french gets the same branding despite Renault being in an alliance with Nissan and not PSA. Before I bought mine I researched thoroughly on reliability issues and I came up with very little and nothing serious. (Something to do with an issue with cold starting easily fixed under warranty and an issue with the display not sure if that was the earlier model or not, mines been fine). For a car that's been around for quite a while now I was kind of surprised I didn't find more, even the venerable Golf you can find heaps of issues on the internet if you look. No problems with mine so far and I've found Renault really great to deal with. Here's the thread on my RS 265.
amdan Posted March 8, 2017 Author Posted March 8, 2017 Did you get a new one? I am thinking along the lines of a 2014 model. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
michaelw Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 a friend bought a used 2014 rs265 with facelift lights etc, recaros, 19in wheels. the thing handles superbly and is better built than his audi a4 which was bought new and came free with various squeaks and rattles. 1
Briz Vegas Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Yeah, be careful what you implu about Peugeot. The 308 pipped the Megane in the end of 2016 UK reliability survey. More interestingly they both beat a number of Toyota models. That being said, the stats have improved for PSA products. I have been following Renault Zoe video bloggs closely and that car is not as bullet proof as it should be with only one moving ( electric) engine part and no gearbox. Have to say I would still get one if it ever gets here, but Nissan (Renault) Leaf two is looking more likely. Perception is the biggest issue. It's 90% vs 88% in the survey's. Almost insignificant to private buyer. It's more luck of the draw. ( disclaimer, 22 years and two Pugs plus excellent service from my local French mechanic). Edited March 8, 2017 by Briz Vegas
Martykt Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 12:20 AM, amdan said: Did you get a new one? I am thinking along the lines of a 2014 model. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Expand Got mine ex-demo current shape. Some really good deals around couldn't refuse.
Martykt Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 2:00 AM, michaelw said: a friend bought a used 2014 rs265 with facelift lights etc, recaros, 19in wheels. the thing handles superbly and is better built than his audi a4 which was bought new and came free with various squeaks and rattles. Expand I was pleasantly surprised about that with mine too considering it's price bracket. So far there are no squeaks or rattles to speak of. Even my previous Porsche Cayenne had a few rattles.
Martykt Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 7:41 AM, Briz Vegas said: Yeah, be careful what you implu about Peugeot. The 308 pipped the Megane in the end of 2016 UK reliability survey. More interestingly they both beat a number of Toyota models. That being said, the stats have improved for PSA products. I have been following Renault Zoe video bloggs closely and that car is not as bullet proof as it should be with only one moving ( electric) engine part and no gearbox. Have to say I would still get one if it ever gets here, but Nissan (Renault) Leaf two is looking more likely. Perception is the biggest issue. It's 90% vs 88% in the survey's. Almost insignificant to private buyer. It's more luck of the draw. ( disclaimer, 22 years and two Pugs plus excellent service from my local French mechanic). Expand Nothing against Peugeot. They really seem to be trying with the new models. Hopefully they go from strength to strength. I only mention it as for a while there they were consistently running at the bottom of reliability studies which is where their reputation for being poor quality came from. (And where Renault being french got whacked with the same stick.)
betty boop Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 8:53 AM, Martykt said: Nothing against Peugeot. They really seem to be trying with the new models. Hopefully they go from strength to strength. I only mention it as for a while there they were consistently running at the bottom of reliability studies which is where their reputation for being poor quality came from. (And where Renault being french got whacked with the same stick.) Expand i dont give too much credence with those quite frankly, i owned peugeots over some 11 years and citroen over 4.5 and they were reliable. the citroen did visit for one phantom error but not something ever effected reliability.... where I think renault is smart is with its warranty. however stick or not... I know one thing talk to any dealers and they dont really care be it renault, peugeot, citroen, fiats, alfa any sort of "euro trash" they'll all tell you they are going to suck in resale... such is just the way buying public look at them. lost seriously heavily selling my citroen in middle of the gfc. a beautifull car one of the most loved infact. same with my first peugeot. loved it. peugeot and citroen have been in the doldrums... nearly went out of business backwards.... they must be on the way back with buying opel and such ... so things can perhaps only look up... can hope 1
michaelw Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 speaking of pugs... had a quick ride in a peugeot 308 gti 270. it's damn quick enough to give a golf r a fright. the 1.6 is a little gem of a motor. gearbox is only average. shame about the dumb steering wheel and dopey backwards tacho.
Martykt Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 9:02 AM, :) al said: i dont give too much credence with those quite frankly, i owned peugeots over some 11 years and citroen over 4.5 and they were reliable. the citroen did visit for one phantom error but not something ever effected reliability.... Expand An absolutely fair comment Al, it's probably best not give too much credence to those studies. It's also important to not getted sucked into general statements like "Toyotas are the bulletproof" or "Peugeots and Alfa's are unreliable". They can be a lot like wives tales and might not necessarily be the truth or the whole truth.
betty boop Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 9:27 AM, Martykt said: An absolutely fair comment Al, it's probably best not give too much credence to those studies. It's also important to not getted sucked into general statements like "Toyotas are the bulletproof" or "Peugeots and Alfa's are unreliable". They can be a lot like wives tales and might not necessarily be the truth or the whole truth. Expand in this day and age of world cars... you pretty much get all the same parts makers supplying the lot of them... so component failures are just as probable no matter what you drive.
Soundwise Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 9:26 AM, michaelw said: speaking of pugs... had a quick ride in a peugeot 308 gti 270. it's damn quick enough to give a golf r a fright. the 1.6 is a little gem of a motor. gearbox is only average. shame about the dumb steering wheel and dopey backwards tacho. Expand careful here, the 308gti 270 might give the golf gti a fright but it's got nothing on a mk7 golf r. the all wheel drive on the mk7 golf r is something very special 1
GregWormald Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 If you want to be entertained (or frustrated in a serious search) just have a look at the various results from the various "reliability surveys". Even the reporting of each survey has completely different rankings! Greg
michaelw Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 10:58 AM, Soundwise said: careful here, the 308gti 270 might give the golf gti a fright but it's got nothing on a mk7 golf r. the all wheel drive on the mk7 golf r is something very special Expand the numbers don't lie power to weight is the key. golf r gets off the line better but once rolling there is little in it. http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/a0jcflzlvd7h
betty boop Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 10:58 AM, Soundwise said: careful here, the 308gti 270 might give the golf gti a fright but it's got nothing on a mk7 golf r. the all wheel drive on the mk7 golf r is something very special Expand the very odd thing about the golf r though is when I had the gti and considered "upgrading" to the golf r, in demoing on the road driving around ... I really didnt feel would be an upgrade at all, infact really felt no different on the road.... am sure the golf r on the track or something is quite a thing ... but on the road ....the golf gti just gets you so much
Guest BobbyD Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Having owned both a Golf R32 (last model) and Mk 6 GTI , whilst the R 32 is a better grand tourer with the way bigger engine, linear power delivery and AWD.... The GTI was just a hoot to drive around town. You could spin those front wheels and slide it around and being lighter was more predictable and chuckable. Would love to test out the new Golf R.......apologies... Edited March 8, 2017 by BobbyD .
Briz Vegas Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) On 08/03/2017 at 9:26 AM, michaelw said: speaking of pugs... had a quick ride in a peugeot 308 gti 270. it's damn quick enough to give a golf r a fright. the 1.6 is a little gem of a motor. gearbox is only average. shame about the dumb steering wheel and dopey backwards tacho. Expand Love my backwards tacho and steering wheel. Both fit for purpose, engaging and fun. Every other car now has an ungainly feeling monster tiller compared to Peugeot. Really don't get how the wheel is dumb other than some folks don't like that it is different. Works perfectly with power steering. I've done about 20k km with it and would hate to go back to a truck sized wheel. Mind you, I know it's just internet car banter. Everything is either orgasmic or its like driving a car with a rattle snake in the footwell. There is no middle ground. Edited March 8, 2017 by Briz Vegas Clarified distance 2
Soundwise Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 1:27 PM, SETSergio said: Having owned both a Golf R32 (last model) and Mk 6 GTI , whilst the R 32 is a better grand tourer with the way bigger engine, linear power delivery and AWD.... The GTI was just a hoot to drive around town. You could spin those front wheels and slide it around and being lighter was more predictable and chuckable. Would love to test out the new Golf R.......apologies... Expand Have a passion for hot hatches.. Peugeot 205GTI Peugeot 306GTI Renault Clio Sport Carrera 997 (PSE) Alfa 147 Golf GTI 35 edition (APR ECU upgrade) Golf R Wolfsburg (Remus exhaust) IMHO the R is the best so far ... Sorry 1
Martykt Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 10:24 PM, Soundwise said: Have a passion for hot hatches.. Peugeot 205GTI Peugeot 306GTI Renault Clio Sport Carrera 997 (PSE) Alfa 147 Golf GTI 35 edition (APR ECU upgrade) Golf R Wolfsburg (Remus exhaust) IMHO the R is the best so far ... Sorry Expand Not the Porsche? And dare I ask..... how was the reliability with the Peugeots and the Alfa? (So far reports from ownership on SNA are the opposite of what people think is the case)
michaelw Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 10:24 PM, Briz Vegas said: Love my backwards tacho and steering wheel. Both fit for purpose, engaging and fun. Every other car now has an ungainly feeling monster tiller compared to Peugeot. Really don't get how the wheel is dumb other than some folks don't like that it is different. Works perfectly with power steering. I've done about 20k km with it and would hate to go back to a truck sized wheel. Mind you, I know it's just internet car banter. Everything is either orgasmic or its like driving a car with a rattle snake in the footwell. There is no middle ground. Expand it's too small and oddly shaped with weird axis of rotation. combined with the light steering, there's an unnatural nervousness to the car - ok for the hyper 208 gti ps - but a bit much for the more relaxed 308. i found it blocks the instruments when set at a good height, the column stalks are still regular length so too far away. fiinding a good seating position is tricky. you could probably get used to it all over time but at the end of a day's drive i just wish it had the nicer steering wheel from the rcz. i won't mention the folly of integrating the audio and hvac controls into a single touchscreen... a great motor, fine chassis and heavy depreciation makes it good value over here.
Soundwise Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 On 09/03/2017 at 12:44 AM, Martykt said: Not the Porsche? And dare I ask..... how was the reliability with the Peugeots and the Alfa? (So far reports from ownership on SNA are the opposite of what people think is the case) Expand I've been lucky with all my cars, only ever minor issues Peugeot - issues with brake pads and discs 8-10 yrs ago they never got the their materials right so had to replace both after 2 yrs Alfa - build quality not as good as German, no issues, steering was very special Renault - no issues that I can recall Porsche - perfect in every respect Golfs - issue with one battery replaced under warranty, that's about it Yes, the R is great because of the new all wheel drive and the computer behind it. Anyone can drive it fast with confidence. Love the race mode setting with sports mode 1
Briz Vegas Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) For me, and probably most " enthusiasts", you are prepared ( in fact you almost revel) in a degree of quirkiness for the pleasure of motoring individuality. The sensation of going around a corner with finesse, plus the pleasure of taking your own path in your choice of car, is worth all sorts of inconvenience. Maybe that is the French car thing, which is amplified through the hot hatch. My joy at arriving at the dealers to stumble on a pretty 208GTI demonstrator at the right price almost overrode the ultimate impracticality of the reality. The problem with that car is the ridiculous arm rest that gets in the way of gangly limbs when you try and apply the handbrake, plus the snug footwell ( which I almost accepted). I am 185cm and find no issue with the top of a steering wheel being slightly lower. It means that your arms are lower down, giving a relaxed body posture. You don't need to have the wheel higher to provide leverage. The power steering removes that need from the equation. The shape of the wheel was noticeable ( barely) for about the first 10 km, after which it is forgotten. Take the car (308) up to Mt Tamborine and zip down the back to Canungra or travel up to Mt Mee north of Brisbane and you find familiar twisty roads that to my mind were made for zippy hatchbacks. On these roads my garden variety 308 feels confident and fun when zipping up or down the twistys at enthusiastic ( but responsible ) speeds. More so than my previous 306 which felt more nervous, even if the 306 gave more of a sensation of " rotating" around the driver on tight corners. The 308 feels more grown up and stable, but still enjoys changing direction. Maybe I am on a different wavelength to the Megane or Golf R hot hatch driver. I am happy with a combination of lightweight chassis and nimble handling while travelling at speeds that allow you to enjoy where you are. It's probably closer to the old English idea of the sports car. I don't feel the need to be Colin McRae or Panizzi on public roads. That being said, this image always makes me smile. Edited March 10, 2017 by Briz Vegas 2
RockandorRoll Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 You shouldn't be talking about 0-100 times in a RenaultSport thread. If you want to win the street light championship, get a Golf R. RenaultSport is made to hit hills and tracks.
christosd Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Amdan has a fantastic daily drive through some of my favorite Adelaide Hills roads. I'd say that the Megane is a great option. I think he was wondering if anyone had any reliability issues with one. The problem is I mentioned a couple of horror stories from lesser Renault models of the same vintage I know of first hand that might have scared him off. Im now keen for him to get one as I would be interested in exploring it (even if it's from the passenger seat). I agree that a car like the Renault is best assessed by its fun factor rather than its 0-60 time. I have always had modified Japanese AWD's with some phenomenal axle twisting, clutch side stepping 0-60 times but the most fun I've had was in an original Clio Sport I borrowed with fresh sticky tires and an entire morning of Adelaide Hills roads. Edited March 21, 2017 by christosd Typo
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