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  On 17/05/2020 at 10:49 AM, winwinc81 said:

Just so i know, wont the AVR potentially change the signal even on passthrough?

 

This is something that we will need to test it out...For those going for the 2nd method, pls ensure that your AVR is set to pass-through.

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Wahhhj I have finished, very good using this method, I have just tested quickly using the familiar Spears UHD disc, I can see very nice improvement using Oppo205’a dolby vision time mapping, even on SDR material! The gold colour looks rich and solid

 

Setting on the Oppo to player-led dolby vision, then calibrating using the REC709 colour space at 75% saturation and 75% intensity to its targets

 

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Grayscale tracking on dolby vision using HDR projector gamma target, I proceed to calibrate to 60% grayscale, beyond that is meaningless as tone mapping has already taken over, as can be seen from 45% on

 

Next gonna check out Tekno3d material

 

Wow, unwatchable BenQ HDR suddenly looks really promising !!

 

BenQ 5700 + Oppo205 + vertex2 = dolby vision the answer to HDR

 

 

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The Mrs so happen to pass by and she saw the flowers clip and she went like “WOW” followed by butterflies scene...

 

Next I need to check our animation as well. Watching “onward” 4k HDR tonight, will try and observe see how it goes

 

So far so good, very happy with what I’m seeing from the BenQ HDR now...

 

Surprisingly I’ve set Color to 0, and use Color enhancement to 8. I’ll share all the settings and how to set this up once this is done

 

 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 12:56 PM, ronildoq said:

Wahhhj I have finished, very good using this method, I have just tested quickly using the familiar Spears UHD disc, I can see very nice improvement using Oppo205’a dolby vision time mapping, even on SDR material! The gold colour looks rich and solid

 

Setting on the Oppo to player-led dolby vision, then calibrating using the REC709 colour space at 75% saturation and 75% intensity to its targets

 

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Grayscale tracking on dolby vision using HDR projector gamma target, I proceed to calibrate to 60% grayscale, beyond that is meaningless as tone mapping has already taken over, as can be seen from 45% on

 

Next gonna check out Tekno3d material

 

Wow, unwatchable BenQ HDR suddenly looks really promising !!

 

BenQ 5700 + Oppo205 + vertex2 = dolby vision the answer to HDR

 

 

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Power!!!

 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 10:53 AM, desray said:

This is something that we will need to test it out...For those going for the 2nd method, pls ensure that your AVR is set to pass-through.

I'll prefer method 2 also.. not seeing the OSD from the AVP is like missing something... Not used to.

 

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OMG, jaw dropping stuff, Dolby Vision tone mapping is the way !!

 

If u have an Oppo 203 or 205, u need to use this with the vertex 2 for tone mapping player led, absolutely stunning on the BenQ 5700! Not even laser PJ , just simple DLP....

 

Check out the pics, saliva drool, inexpensive solution to HDR , using dolby vision, Dolby rulezzzzzzz , no fight HDR10 format

 

Reference stuff... on HDR 135” screen , amazing

 

Very very happy now with the BenQ 5700 using the Oppo 205 combo vertex 2

 

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I haven’t seen so much details on the gauntlet before, fuuu!! Check out the dynamic range on the infinity stone

 

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Check out the scales on the bloody beast!

 

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Check out the fire in the background and that armour from Thanos !!

 

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Omg those curly beard!!

 

REFERENCE STUFF!

 

 

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The above was taken using the Tekno3d files tone mapped at source. I was having helluva problem previously with the BenQ 5700 tone mapping. I think the original tone mapping from the BenQ is not as good. Switch over to Oppo 205 using the source player to do tone mapping with Dolby’s algorithm, it’s a game changer.... totally 360 degree change.... it’s now not only watchable but it’s fantastic, brilliant is the word to use...

 

Very natural and the feel is fantastic, Super immersive with the AT screen, speakers tucked behind, line source woofers and the seatons ...

 

Amazing....

 

I’m sure those on laser PJ will benefit big time , even on the DLP pj I’m seeing specular highlights without losing much details or clipping, so natural ...

 

The vertex2 is a winner here. Dolby Vision is the future ...

 

 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 3:26 PM, winwinc81 said:

Power!!!

 

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Bro, one word, “HOLIAO”.... solves all the HDR problem I had with the BenQ in the past , I can inject the metadata and calibrate the system using the chromapure disc

 

Very nice, thanks man for introducing this to us.... I think many will enjoy this toy

 

 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 3:40 PM, ronildoq said:

 

Bro, one word, “HOLIAO”.... solves all the HDR problem I had with the BenQ in the past , I can inject the metadata and calibrate the system using the chromapure disc

 

Very nice, thanks man for introducing this to us.... I think many will enjoy this toy

 

 

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Wah, damn nice dynamic range on dolby vision led tone mapping , here are more captain marvel and guardians of galaxy

 

I’m watching this in person, stunning !! U the wont believe it’s from a BenQ 5700, u will probably think it’s a $20k pj

 

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Woo hoo.... very nice HDR on the big screen ....

 

 

 

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No eye fatigue , very very natural looking, very realistic, not over saturated, peak luminance happening where it should.... not over bright like the OLED I have, just nice

 

But black levels clipping at 5 and 10% of grayscale, but I’m ok with that. The pictures pops and it looks really nice in person

 

Wow, what a solid device, so many things I can do to adjust

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  On 17/05/2020 at 4:16 PM, ronildoq said:

No eye fatigue , very very natural looking, very realistic, not over saturated, peak luminance happening where it should.... not over bright like the OLED I have, just nice

 

But black levels clipping at 5 and 10% of grayscale, but I’m ok with that. The pictures pops and it looks really nice in person

 

Wow, what a solid device, so many things I can do to adjust

Black clipping at below 10% is considered acceptable for any grayscale ramp even at SDR level.

 

 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 3:40 PM, ronildoq said:

 

Bro, one word, “HOLIAO”.... solves all the HDR problem I had with the BenQ in the past , I can inject the metadata and calibrate the system using the chromapure disc

 

Very nice, thanks man for introducing this to us.... I think many will enjoy this toy

 

 

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Looks like this is a perfect match for pj and esp your benQ.

 

Nice!

 

How close does it bring your pj to your OLED HDR pq ha...

 

No wonder HD Fury so highly rated

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  On 18/05/2020 at 1:25 AM, sevenz said:

Looks like this is a perfect match for pj and esp your benQ.

 

Nice!

 

How close does it bring your pj to your OLED HDR pq ha...

 

No wonder HD Fury so highly rated

 

Let's not kid ourselves here...for DLP projector, no matter what hardware or software sorceries up our sleeves, there is no way we can get good black levels which translate to higher perceived Contrast Ratio (CR) here. In short, we cannot compare DLP image to an OLED image. But with HDFury "tricking" the projector to get good color rendition to take full advantage of a Wider Color Gamut (WCG) to achieve that HDR-level of color vividness, the DLP panel will score very well in this regard. It will suffer in lower APL and night scene. One of the best things about HDR is the whitest white and blackest black but it can only be achieved with a panel that can turn on and off an individual pixel in the absence of light - i.e. OLED panel to achieve higher CR. So far, only JVC DiLA in the projector realm which is a hybrid SXRD/LCD panel can achieve that.

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  On 18/05/2020 at 1:25 AM, sevenz said:

Looks like this is a perfect match for pj and esp your benQ.

 

Nice!

 

How close does it bring your pj to your OLED HDR pq ha...

 

No wonder HD Fury so highly rated

 

Bro, it’s very good. I’m very satisfied with the HDR quality I’m seeing now.  the other stuff I have observed

 

1. With dolby vision processing, I’m seeing a smoother picture quality. Less grainy. Highly visible on native HDR10 content

 

2. It u remember on the OLED, when we fed HDR10 signal, the specular highlights were too bright? And with dolby vision we don’t see that . This is how we can use this HD fury. I don’t get eye pain, with too bright specular highlights. This allows me to enjoy the movie for longer periods.

 

3. The other benefit I noticed, is we can control the MaxCLL for peak luminance based on the capabilities of the equipment, in my case the BenQ HDR PJ is DLP lamp based, instead of laser light source. So I can limit this luminance portion to 600nits instead of 1000nits so the BenQ wil benefit without clipping on brighter scenes. But assuming everything is at default at MaxCLL 1000 nits, the dynamic tone mapping of dolby vision’s algorithm is still superior to anything I’ve seen so far, be it HDR10, HLG or HDR10+.

 

Not bad, I’ll try and share how we can do this, and the settings to use, this should help those who own a BenQ 5700 PJ, oppo 203/205 and vertex2

 

Very good bro , the main benefits is to dupe the display into thinking a dolby vision is incoming and it will then apply dolby vision picture mode for your OLED.

 

One can also calibrate their OLED screen Using the dolby vision 2.0 calibration method. This has been reported to be very effective by many , for HDR calibration. It disables tone mapping feature when calibrating the screen, so u can calibrate grayscale, gamma to 2.6 and colours normally as you would SDR. Then upload a file into your tv vide USB port. Then u have a perfectly calibrated HDR screen on the OLED. I’m not sure C7 supports this. But C9 does. I’m a bit off with OLED now, it’s actually a white elephant in the room and I’m more into projector . But that’s the possibility for u.

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  On 18/05/2020 at 12:51 AM, desray said:

Black clipping at below 10% is considered acceptable for any grayscale ramp even at SDR level.

 

 

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Yea, it’s clipping below 10%, limitation on the hardware itself. The blackest of Black not as black on the BenQ PJ. Can be seen clearly with the test patterns and measurements . But for the price, it is fantastic, and I can get a very nice pop on on image with the sacrifice there below 10% black levels. Image clarity is good as well, sharp and for sports and 3D it’s very good too

 

Enter the HD Fury, I’m now seeing fantastic HDR pictures quality, I can also use the “ frame adapt HDR” picture processing. All these at a fraction of the cost or 1/3 of the JVC N7

 

Above all, the most important is to calibrate the screen correctly. I’m witnessing first hand many high end projectors, if not calibrated will still not be able to give you the desired level, especially for HDR. SDR is ok, but HDR is not so easy, it’s such a tricky situation

 

Overall I’m now reporting that if anyone who owns a BenQ 5700 + Oppo , there is clear benefits with the HD fury vertex2. It will bring your HDR experience to the next level. (Provided it’s being calibrated correctly)

Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 2:04 AM, ronildoq said:

Bro, it’s very good. I’m very satisfied with the HDR quality I’m seeing now.  the other stuff I have observed

 

1. With dolby vision processing, I’m seeing a smoother picture quality. Less grainy. Highly visible on native HDR10 content

 

2. It u remember on the OLED, when we fed HDR10 signal, the specular highlights were too bright? And with dolby vision we don’t see that . This is how we can use this HD fury. I don’t get eye pain, with too bright specular highlights. This allows me to enjoy the movie for longer periods.

 

3. The other benefit I noticed, is we can control the MaxCLL for peak luminance based on the capabilities of the equipment, in my case the BenQ HDR PJ is DLP lamp based, instead of laser light source. So I can limit this luminance portion to 600nits instead of 1000nits so the BenQ wil benefit without clipping on brighter scenes. But assuming everything is at default at MaxCLL 1000 nits, the dynamic tone mapping of dolby vision’s algorithm is still superior to anything I’ve seen so far, be it HDR10, HLG or HDR10+.

 

Not bad, I’ll try and share how we can do this, and the settings to use, this should help those who own a BenQ 5700 PJ, oppo 203/205 and vertex2

 

Very good bro , the main benefits is to dupe the display into thinking a dolby vision is incoming and it will then apply dolby vision picture mode for your OLED.

 

One can also calibrate their OLED screen Using the dolby vision 2.0 calibration method. This has been reported to be very effective by many , for HDR calibration. It disables tone mapping feature when calibrating the screen, so u can calibrate grayscale, gamma to 2.6 and colours normally as you would SDR. Then upload a file into your tv vide USB port. Then u have a perfectly calibrated HDR screen on the OLED. I’m not sure C7 supports this. But C9 does. I’m a bit off with OLED now, it’s actually a white elephant in the room and I’m more into projector . But that’s the possibility for u.

 

Bro, since you are more into Projector these days, you should really consider JVC N series for your next upgrade. You will love it. TV watching will soon be a thing of the past. :)

Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 2:23 AM, ronildoq said:

Yea, it’s clipping below 10%, limitation on the hardware itself. The blackest of Black not as black on the BenQ PJ. Can be seen clearly with the test patterns and measurements . But for the price, it is fantastic, and I can get a very nice pop on on image with the sacrifice there below 10% black levels. Image clarity is good as well, sharp and for sports and 3D it’s very good too

 

Enter the HD Fury, I’m now seeing fantastic HDR pictures quality, I can also use the “ frame adapt HDR” picture processing. All these at a fraction of the cost or 1/3 of the JVC N7

 

Above all, the most important is to calibrate the screen correctly. I’m witnessing first hand many high end projectors, if not calibrated will still not be able to give you the desired level, especially for HDR. SDR is ok, but HDR is not so easy, it’s such a tricky situation

 

Overall I’m now reporting that if anyone who owns a BenQ 5700 + Oppo , there is clear benefits with the HD fury vertex2. It will bring your HDR experience to the next level. (Provided it’s being calibrated correctly)

 

Amen to that!!!

Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 2:26 AM, desray said:

Amen to that!!!

 

Big difference bro, out of the box HDR for BenQ ..... totally CMI, if I’m being honest here . I had many attempts and tried calibrating it as well but to no avail. This new approach I’m using now, with the ability of the HD fury to inject the metadata for dolby vision, I can calibrate the screen to the REC709 container. This is providing very accurate colours, grayscale and good specular highlights from what I’m seeing. It’s a game changer for me for HDR, for the price? Totally worth it man...

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  On 18/05/2020 at 2:32 AM, ronildoq said:

Big difference bro, out of the box HDR for BenQ ..... totally CMI, if I’m being honest here . I had many attempts and tried calibrating it as well but to no avail. This new approach I’m using now, with the ability of the HD fury to inject the metadata for dolby vision, I can calibrate the screen to the REC709 container. This is providing very accurate colours, grayscale and good specular highlights from what I’m seeing. It’s a game changer for me for HDR, for the price? Totally worth it man...

 

Haha...I can feel the agony of unable to get the calibration the way you want it. It is NOT easy when the limitation is on the projector CMS (Color Management System)...You need a robust and full-fledged CMS to properly calibrate a projector. This is the reason why a high-end projector is so vastly different from an entry/mid-range projector. Just like audio calibration, it is 3 dimensional...same goes for video calibration...if the CMS is only able to adjust RGBCMY but not the HSL (Hue, Saturation and Lightness - which I called the 3rd dimension of color calibration), you will not get the reddest red or blackest black since it will deviate from the CIE chart by a large amount...the absence of all these important features in a Projector will limit how much you can do...that is why there are customers who invested in an outboard Video Processors in the likes of Lumagen and DVDO equipped with a better CMS to maximized the PQ of their projector.

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  On 18/05/2020 at 2:44 AM, desray said:

Haha...I can feel the agony of unable to get the calibration the way you want it. It is NOT easy when the limitation is on the projector CMS (Color Management System)...You need a robust and full-fledged CMS to properly calibrate a projector. This is the reason why a high-end projector is so vastly different from an entry/mid-range projector. Just like audio calibration, it is 3 dimensional...same goes for video calibration...if the CMS is only able to adjust RGBCMY but not the HSL (Hue, Saturation and Lightness - which I called the 3rd dimension of color calibration), you will not get the reddest red or blackest black since it will deviate from the CIE chart by a large amount...the absence of all these important features in a Projector will limit how much you can do...that is why there are customers who invested in an outboard Video Processors in the likes of Lumagen and DVDO equipped with a better CMS to maximized the PQ of their projector.

 

+1 well said. I think now we don’t even need a Lumagen. Just the HD fury to do the job. Settings took around 1hr to understand, thanks to doggie’s sharing. Calibration took me 2 hrs to complete, Cos I’m slightly more familiar with chromapure now. Going back and forth. It can be better, but I settled for it just to have a taste of the look. Turns out it works for the BenQ 5700, very nicely. Not bad. U will enjoy this on your Sony for sure

 

Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 2:58 AM, ronildoq said:

+1 well said. I think now we don’t even need a Lumagen. Just the HD fury to do the job. Settings took around 1hr to understand, thanks to doggie’s sharing. Calibration took me 2 hrs to complete, Cos I’m slightly more familiar with chromapure now. Going back and forth. It can be better, but I settled for it just to have a taste of the look. Turns out it works for the BenQ 5700, very nicely. Not bad. U will enjoy this on your Sony for sure

Haha. I will definitely put it into pace when I get it later this week or early next week from winwinc81.

 

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Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 2:25 AM, desray said:

Bro, since you are more into Projector these days, you should really consider JVC N series for your next upgrade. You will love it. TV watching will soon be a thing of the past. :)

 

Honestly I initially wanted to get one, many recommended. But after witnessing the saga u had, it put me off at that time. So i scrapped the idea for the N7. Never mind if cannot achieve the blackest of black, I’m more than happy. Especially with the CS from BenQ and Alfie . No problem, I still get very good quality. It’s not the best, but it’s very good for my standards

 

I’ll need to invite you one day when all these covid thing is over. Then we can share and exchange more information with HT stuff . And probably check out your Sony as well when you host

Posted
  On 18/05/2020 at 3:07 AM, ronildoq said:

Honestly I initially wanted to get one, many recommended. But after witnessing the saga u had, it put me off at that time. So i scrapped the idea for the N7. Never mind if cannot achieve the blackest of black, I’m more than happy. Especially with the CS from BenQ and Alfie . No problem, I still get very good quality. It’s not the best, but it’s very good for my standards

 

I’ll need to invite you one day when all these covid thing is over. Then we can share and exchange more information with HT stuff . And probably check out your Sony as well when you host

Sure thing...until the dust settles. :P

 

 

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