zorden2003 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 As above. Will love to learn more about this poison and decide to start a new thread instead of hijacking ppl post. Q1: What is a good entry Level TT? 1)Pro-Ject Debut Carbon? 2) Lenco L70. (refurbished set from Zenn.com.sg) 3)Rega Rp3 (SGD 14xx) there is a 2nd set here in extreme selling at SGD 900. Q2) Good AMP? Marantz PM6005 Q3)Speakers. Q acquostic 20 - or 2020i I am relying on Whathifi review to pass a judgement on which item is good but i really do not know the engineering behind it. Tia. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
synthesis1624705793 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Any reason why you choose TT instead of CD or HD based music? Do you have other hifi setup? Just curious.
blue_starfish Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Even entering vinyl at the basement is not exactly cheap. Assuming that you get a used $1k table, you still need to get an external phono if your amp does not support one. This will cost a few hundreds. And if you do not have records, you will go out and get maybe 20 pieces of re-issues or new artist material. This will come to $600 to $800. In the blink of an eye, you have already spent close to $2,000. Then you will spend a another hundred or so on stylus cleaner and record cleaning brush. Ask yourself, are you prepared to spend this much just to see what vinyl is all about? If the answer is YES and you do have the time and space to store and clean a vinyl collection, then by all means go for it. But wait awhile to save more and then dive into shallow end of an Olympic pool with a serious entry level rig. Rather than dive into a kiddie pool. The analog conundrum is that entry level gear only gives occasional glimpses of analog magic. To really get good analog playback, the sweet spot is closer to the $4k to $5k range for table, arm, cartridge and phono. Many end up here and a few will go higher, much much higher to enjoy more analog bliss. If you do not intend to reach here IMHO, better to stay away and invest in your digital playback for better returns. My advice is humbly ask to visit forumers who have mid-level turntables in their system before diving in. Hear for yourself if the sound suits you enough to put with the hassle. Every 20 mins have to get up and flip record over. To change tracks have to manually cue arm to track. Worth the sacrifice of convenience or not, only you can answer. I have been in analog for 40 years and never left. My investment in analog has been heavy compared to digital spending. Consider me biased towards analog.
jayou Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Good advice Blue .... I wonder why some people so selfish and not want to share thread :) TS ... you might want to consider slowly building up your hifi system first before getting a tt. A poorly setup tt system will make you disillusion about what vinyl is all about. wait a minute .... is ts also ernst? why create so many account to post this har? Sorry to hijack this thread Thanks for the advice. I will love to start right with Vinyl. Q1: What is a good entry Level TT? 1)Pro-Ject Debut Carbon? 2) Lenco L70. (refurbished set from Zenn.com.sg) 3)Rega Rp3 (SGD 14xx) there is a 2nd set here in extreme selling at SGD 900. Q2) Good AMP? Marantz PM6005 Q3)Speakers. Q acquostic 20 - or 2020i I am relying on Whathifi review to pass a judgement on which item is good but i really do not know the engineering behind it.
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 Good advice Blue .... I wonder why some people so selfish and not want to share thread :) TS ... you might want to consider slowly building up your hifi system first before getting a tt. A poorly setup tt system will make you disillusion about what vinyl is all about. wait a minute .... is ts also ernst? why create so many account to post this har? Sorry new to using tapatalk that how I end up having two userid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 Any reason why you choose TT instead of CD or HD based music? Do you have other hifi setup? Just curious. I listen to hd based music. Why Tt? That's really a question I asked myself. Maybe I just need a hobby and I love music. Unfortunately I don't really have the spare cash in younger days to buy a hifi setup. CD player and a cheap earphones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 Thanks blue. Guess will give it a though before jumping into TT. Maybe a simple hifi for cd before getting into vinyl Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Instek_88 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I think a cd player is much easier to get a better sound than a HD based source, so that can be a good place to start. HD based sources like DAC and streamers have much more variables to consider and way much harder to get the desired sound. You can also try to get to know some of the brothers here and listen to their system. All of them have different preferences and had tuned their system in different ways. Have fun! :)
micktal Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 would advise to get the best u can afford because buying too low end and regretting is a waste of money i feel. also to think of upgrade options. e.g. an integrated amp w phono can be used as starter, then used as a pre amp or a power amp if u buy a separate power or pre amp, then finally as part of HT system once u have purpose built separates. Or CD player can start as a combined, then use as transport by upgarding the DAC. But low end TT not easy to upgrade this way because the arm, platter, cartridge etc. not so easy to re-purpose, and also low end phono preamp not easy to re purpose. Thanks blue. Guess will give it a though before jumping into TT. Maybe a simple hifi for cd before getting into vinyl Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Saycheese78 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I jumped into hifi, with 1400, all new except cd player. It was money wasted as I dun listen to it. Spent further 600 to build a headfi and I was playing music frequently. Now back in hifi on a 5k system. Morale of story, between lowest end or downgrade one tier of poison to mid end, (headfi), choose the mid tier.
Instek_88 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 would advise to get the best u can afford because buying too low end and regretting is a waste of money i feel. Audio is like an addiction. Start with budget X. Before you know it, you had spent X+X. Then its X+X+X+... How many of us are guilty of buying a single component recently that cost a few times of our first audio budget?
synthesis1624705793 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I jumped into hifi, with 1400, all new except cd player. It was money wasted as I dun listen to it. If you buy new and mainstream brands you don't likely to get much sound for money. You can also try to get to know some of the brothers here and listen to their system. All of them have different preferences and had tuned their system in different ways. Have fun! :) Sure, can knock on my door for poison. :D
tiktokape Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 How many of us are guilty of buying a single component recently that cost a few times of our first audio budget? Not me [emoji15] but I felt happier [emoji23] vs my first audio budget Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 Thanks for all the brotherly advice. Life is short and my hobby is listen to music and reading. So I guess I will bite the bullet. It's just the engineering and diff type of brands and model is making me confuse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 I will love to get the best bang for my money but as a newbie here, I really don't know what's a bargain and what's not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
blue_starfish Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Audio is like an addiction. Start with budget X. Before you know it, you had spent X+X. Then its X+X+X+... How many of us are guilty of buying a single component recently that cost a few times of our first audio budget? I call mine cyclical upgrading. When it is time to upgrade a component based on 5-year life cycle, I budget 2x to 3x the price of the existing component. So far, my money has been well spent in that I got real upgrades each time and it has been easy to sell the existing stuff used. This works for me as the big performance jump keeps upgradeitis at bay and I am not tempted to make a change after a short while. So far my biggest spend has been on the turntable I bought 10 years ago costing 4X what it replaced. But now 10 years on, I still have no itch to replace it. And it is looking that the table is going to still be here for at least another 5 years. In long run, it is saving me money. However along the way, while the table has been constant, I am now on my 3rd arm and 4th cartridge.
YH Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 You need to first define your own budget and then whether you are willing to buy used Don't take this the wrong way but I have met people who visit me to buy a 800 dollar turntable, then start getting distracted and start asking me if my VPI is for sale, whether my LP12 is for sale etc etc. It's a bit like saying (at the risk of using another car analogy) that if my budget is say around $150k (?, how much is a GTI nowadays ah?) for a sports car, I will look for a new golf GTI but if I find a secondhand BMW M3 for $250K I will go for it or if I find a used aston martin for $500K I will take a second mortgage to buy it There is no end to this 'looking for the best bargain in town' concept. Set yourself a budget and look at what is available. Not happy with what is available, then save up and increase your budget If you want a setup that will convincingly and consistently send your CD player crying back to mama, I would put up 2 to 2.5K for a used setup, add another 500 to 800 for a cartridge. The key is convincingly and consistently
zorden2003 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Posted June 22, 2015 Thank you. Guess it's better to yo the game slowly but in the right direction Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
ks Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 As one who have been playing with vinyl (inconsistently though due to work/family committments), to start this of, I will buy a trusty workhorse, resale and start it off. Rega (P or RP series), Thorens (TD-1xx), turntables are good start point. They will not break your wallet, but will definitely bring about a different listening experience. If you think that's too much trouble, you can sell it away, maybe a little loss since these models are probably at their stable prices already.
blue_starfish Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 If you are starting from ground zero, set a budget ceiling and decide where the set will be placed. Room size will determine type of speakers that will suit, then the integrated to drive them. For the source whether it be streamer, CD or TT you should go visit bros and decide for yourself. In today's context, CD gives the biggest bang especially if you buy a used player.
zorden2003 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Posted June 23, 2015 Tt 2-3k? Amp 1k Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
jayou Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 Many moons ago I t-loan a forummer in echoloft my Rega RP1 for him to try out what vinyl is about. I think since then he has moved on to a tt that cost x10 more. The RP1 is still with him as he nor me don't have time to deliver nor collect it back. I have since lost contact with him but if you can track him down (not that difficult as he is also a forummer here but not active anymore) and the tt is still in good shape, I don't mind t-loan to you to try lah :)
zorden2003 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Posted June 23, 2015 At least provide me the name of this forummer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
zorden2003 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Posted June 23, 2015 I want to understand the science behind this. I spend quite a bit of marine fish tank. They are not the same but it's a expensive hobby. The diff type of skimmer, chiller, addictives and also lights. My very first light set cost me 400 and it went kaput in less than 6 months. China made what to expect and my next light cost me 2k. Every penny well spent. My 2nd skimmer cost me around 2000 more than the first it's overkill and i realize I don't need such high end equipment. Hoping to study more before plunging into a new hobby. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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