rambada Posted September 2, 2020 Posted September 2, 2020 The upgrade bug has struck!! I currently drive my Yamaha NS1000 with a Golden Tube SE40 but Im considering an early Mark Levinson Dual Mono (Class A) - not that Im disappointed in the SE40 sound, just interested in whether a good Class A dual mono solid state will work better. Any thoughts please?
Yamaha_man Posted September 2, 2020 Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) I’ve always ran my NS1000’s with big power amps., Krell FPB-600, Krell KAS, Gryphon Antileon Signature, Vitus SM-101 etc and the results were outstanding . I say the more (decent) power the better. Edited September 2, 2020 by Yamaha_man 2
Cafad Posted September 3, 2020 Posted September 3, 2020 I've got a ML383 for sale if that's of interest. Not sure if you're chasing an integrated or a power amp.
mloutfie Posted September 4, 2020 Posted September 4, 2020 @rambada same bug has bitten me also. Wanted how far I can push my ns1000m also. I've been using a mcintosh mc2505 which has a quite tubey sound. it's smooth bit decent bottom end overall it's a nice pair. Most people will say Yamaha B2 is the best pairing with NS1000m. I'm trying to get a pair also. and will definitely try it if a decent one is ever on sale However after chatting with a friend he suggested me to give a higher end modern class D amp a go since he has good experience with it pairing with 70-80s speaker with big woofers. 2 was on my list was classe CA-D200 and auralic merak. Couldn't find a used classe but I did found a used auralic. First of all let me say I never like class d amp to me it just never sound right (mostly because of the thinnest of the sound) but these newer higher end class d is a whole different beast. But I will start with the minus of these amp. on 0db switch both high n mids in ns1000m they are too shouty with female focals but this is easily fixed by going -3db for both pot. And after that I would say I can't believe the amount of details and clarity that came out of NS1000m it's amazing and none of the thinness of what I expect from class d. actually the sound of this amp actually remind me of a pass lab amplifier. Hopefully I will have a chance to compare this auralic merak with a yamaha b2 but fore now I'm quite happy with this purchase
rambada Posted September 4, 2020 Author Posted September 4, 2020 I've also considered the Class D - they just seem to make logical sense with the NS1000. I was looking at the Bel Canto or PS Audio but then even NAD are getting good reviews. Just can't quite get the ticker to do it atm.
jeromelang Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) Yamaha NS1000/NS5000 and Pass Labs (plus EMM Labs) make thoroughly wonderful combination Edited September 9, 2020 by jeromelang
mbz Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Consider an upgrade of the NS-1000 crossover. The electrolytic caps used in the bypass positions would be suspect after 45+? years. Certainly wouldn't use boutique types, budget PP would be fine. many kits available for full upgrade if you want to go down that path.
rambada Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 I've been lucky in that Clay on the GC has serviced them. They are a beautiful monitor. 1
mloutfie Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) On 09/09/2020 at 2:39 AM, mbz said: many kits available for full upgrade Expand Any of the kits in aus? with reasonable price of course Edited September 10, 2020 by mloutfie
mfforever Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 Had my Yammies 1000 for about 8 years now..... just love them. Some observation which may be relevant to your situation : - Agree with above comments that they love power; I'm running 300W plus Musical Fidelity TriVista and the results are outstanding ( lots of Watts and huge peak to peak output ) - I found ( and I might be on my own here ) that speaker cables were EXACTING.... ie; take no prisoners with the wrong cable. I trialled about 10 speaker cables ( around or less than $1000 ) and found that some excellent reviewed cables ( and they were excellent as my mates had them in their systems ) ranged from OK to OMG terrible in my system ( one sounded Duff-duff rapper ) My point is this ..... spend considered time on cable selection trialled in your actual system. In the end, a pair of somewhat vintage Townsend Isolada were to my ears the best and I have stuck with them. -New X overs, simply because of their age. Gave my Yammies to Trevor and, after considerable time, they came back and they were significantly, well worth the upgrade , BETTER. Please do not ask me the specs of what he did as I have no idea but everything was replaced ( sorry, not a tech guy but my wife and I have good discerning ears ). As well, obviously change the stupid original binding clips to the best you can afford ( WBT @ around $52 each were great ..... you only do it once and so do the research) - They respond REALLY WELL to thoughtful, comprehensive ISOLATION ( and if you have wooden floors in older homes then you need to both isolate and decouple in tandem ). Having said this, so do all speakers ...... but I know through my crazy hands - on isolation / decoupling journey that you can considerably lift the performance of your Yammies this way . All my isolation/ decoupling is home built so cost doesn't enter into it really. ( " say ACRYLIC and enter " ..... apologies Tolkien ) Applied above over the last 8 years and I would say the improvements have been noticeably very significant ..... I have tried/ heard many other great speakers in the mid price range ( what does this mean nowadays....... around $ 3000 to $10,000 ? ). and I still have the Yammies..... as I have always said about the 1000, you either love those 2 berrilyium drivers or you just don't know what all the fuss is about.
Yamaha_man Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) I still love the berrilyium drivers in my NS-1000’s but the dual concentric variant in my TAD’s is light years ahead in every aspect. The more quality power the better. Edited September 10, 2020 by Yamaha_man
Guest Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) On 02/09/2020 at 9:56 PM, rambada said: The upgrade bug has struck!! I currently drive my Yamaha NS1000 with a Golden Tube SE40 but Im considering an early Mark Levinson Dual Mono (Class A) - not that Im disappointed in the SE40 sound, just interested in whether a good Class A dual mono solid state will work better. Any thoughts please? Expand Recapping the NS1000M crossovers will make a significant difference. Just try replacing the two 4.7uf caps as a first step which wont hurt your pockets much. Also, I'm not sure if you are a hard core NS1000 fan. Have you thought about upgrading the speakers itself? To compare.... if there is an option to borrow speakers from your friends, try pairing them with your amplifier in your room. There is quite a good number of speaker choices out there from Dynaudio, Spendor, Harbeth, Sonus Faber, B&W, Vintage Tannoy, Vintage Diatone, Vintage Pioneer with TAD drivers or if you want to stick with Yamaha even the legendary NS2000. Edited September 12, 2020 by Guest
mbz Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 On 10/09/2020 at 8:06 AM, mloutfie said: Any of the kits in aus? with reasonable price of course Expand Not really cheap, the Jantzen kit attacts all the attention, http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htm I've no doubt that some good work has been done however I am a bit leary that this work has been hijacked by Jantzen to sell parts, specifically the use of boutique PP caps and foil inductors in the bypass positions. While the NS-1000/2000 is on the shopping list I haven't looked deeply into this kit. I'd certainly avoid ebay kits from china etc...
mloutfie Posted September 12, 2020 Posted September 12, 2020 On 10/09/2020 at 10:22 AM, Yamaha_man said: I still love the berrilyium drivers in my NS-1000’s but the dual concentric variant in my TAD’s is light years ahead in every aspect. Expand That would be expected wouldnt it? With the prices of tad speaker wouldn't it be 5 times or more of a used ns1000m and that's with a cheaper end TAD speaker
mloutfie Posted September 12, 2020 Posted September 12, 2020 On 11/09/2020 at 6:12 AM, mbz said: Not really cheap, the Jantzen kit attacts all the attention, http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htm Expand I've seen those seems to be too much for the kits. Planning to coble up a kit using parts from speaker bug
mbz Posted September 13, 2020 Posted September 13, 2020 On 12/09/2020 at 10:51 PM, mloutfie said: I've seen those seems to be too much for the kits. Planning to coble up a kit using parts from speaker bug Expand Yeah, I agree, it's getting close to AUD1000-, I'd diy also. The electrolytics (Bass bypass) are probably out of spec and a candidate for replacement with budget PP. If Bass response is "tight" then caps may still be ok. The series connected mid and tweeter caps are probably still ok but can be improved upon with mundorf(or whatever) up market caps. The Mundorf Silver/oil caps get rave reviews but at USD100- each... I'd go for the supremes at USD26- each...
andyr Posted September 13, 2020 Posted September 13, 2020 On 09/09/2020 at 2:39 AM, mbz said: Consider an upgrade of the NS-1000 crossover. The electrolytic caps used in the bypass positions would be suspect after 45+? years. Certainly wouldn't use boutique types, budget PP would be fine. many kits available for full upgrade if you want to go down that path. Expand Seriously - electrolytics used in a spkr XO? Wow! (Cheapskates.) Andy
Steve M Posted September 13, 2020 Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Rambada: whether you should move from valves to powerful solid state amps really depends on the type of music you mainly listen to. If you are an acoustic guitar, sweet and inviting vocal type of person, then valves are hard to beat. If you like loud dynamic music, eg rock and blues, then powerful solid state amplification is the best way to draw out the accurate monitor like capabilities of the Yammies, especially in the bass region. A third (and good) option is mixing a valve preamp with solid state power amp, which gives the best of both worlds. Cheers, Steve. Edited September 15, 2020 by Steve M 1 1
mloutfie Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 On 13/09/2020 at 11:31 AM, andyr said: Seriously - electrolytics used in a spkr XO? Wow! (Cheapskates.) Andy Expand Its the easiest way manufacturer to save money and it's not visible from outside. not many manufacturer don't cheap out on crossover caps
andyr Posted September 15, 2020 Posted September 15, 2020 On 15/09/2020 at 5:30 AM, mloutfie said: Its the easiest way manufacturer to save money and it's not visible from outside. not many manufacturer don't cheap out on crossover caps Expand True! But, very interestingly, Magnepan (who are well known as a frugal manufacturing company) have never used electrolytics in their XOs. Andy
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