Blackman1503561291 Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Just a simple question. The Blu ray movies that JB sell where do you think they source them from?. Are they locally Made?. Are they imported from overseas as the same movies that are sold in Region B say in UK. Are they made overseas specially for JB or say Sanity and other outlets. Now Guys I know nothing about the above but I would like some education about this and try to find out why are we being short changed on Atmos Movies and why as it stands we have ZERO DTS X movies in this Country
Javs Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 They are absolutely not specifically made for JB-Hifi. No retail chain is 'that big' Not even Amazon. If I were to hazard a guess all discs are made in china. They have Australian ratings on them so they are not the same as the UK boxes at all. However its very likely that all region B discs contain identical 'data' on the disc. Subtitles etc need to be catered to the region. Your bluray player settings will usually work out what the right subtitle track is for foreign sound tracks for eg as its language is set on the machine.
betty boop Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 yes zero our region is region B same as uk/europe. we do have aussie editions released local categorisation of rating etc.. jb even have their own limited editions. check blu-ray.com for whether something from the us is region free. the only dts-x movie I know off worth getting right now is ex machina and its is region A locked
Javs Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) As for Atmos, we have as many Atmos titles as there are released on Bluray anywhere else... Edit: Looks like overseas for DTS-X you have Ex Machine as stated above, Last Witch Hunter and American Ultra. Edited February 4, 2016 by Javs
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 They are absolutely not specifically made for JB-Hifi. No retail chain is 'that big' Not even Amazon. If I were to hazard a guess all discs are made in china. They have Australian ratings on them so they are not the same as the UK boxes at all. However its very likely that all region B discs contain identical 'data' on the disc. Subtitles etc need to be catered to the region. Your bluray player settings will usually work out what the right subtitle track is for foreign sound tracks for eg as its language is set on the machine. JB like saying that some copies of movies are exclusively made for them. https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-shows/movies-tv-shows-on-sale/action/spectre-steelbook/856150/
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 As for Atmos, we have as many Atmos titles as there are released on Bluray anywhere else... No that is not the case as I have compared some months back on blu ray.com and the US version was Atmos yet the Australian region B wasn't. As A guess i would say about 60 to 70% are Atmos in Australia.
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 Looks like overseas for DTS-X you have Ex Machine as stated above, Last Witch Hunter and American Ultra. Yep and the three of them are only DTS MA in Australia. I'm surprised to see that Star Wars the Force Awakens is going to be only DTS Master Audio and not DTS X http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-The-Force-Awakens-Blu-ray/141431/
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 The million Dollar question is who is calling the shots and saying who gets Atmos and DTS X or not getting Atmos or DTS X movies that are to be sold in Australia.
Javs Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Because its in a metal case? What's different about the content though? Nothing.
Javs Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Yep and the three of them are only DTS MA in Australia. I'm surprised to see that Star Wars the Force Awakens is going to be only DTS Master Audio and not DTS X http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-The-Force-Awakens-Blu-ray/141431/ Ex Machina was re-released in DTS-X. Our version came out ages ago. You have a market of 350,000,000 pople in the US so re-releasing a title will bring a good amount of sales no matter what they do... They might sell 5,000 copies of a title here if it was already released previously, especially when the only thing you are changing is the soundtrack... not much point. I see the logic. I wouldn't really take issue with us being excluded from DTS-X moving forward until anything being released more or less from this day forward.
Javs Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 No that is not the case as I have compared some months back on blu ray.com and the US version was Atmos yet the Australian region B wasn't. As A guess i would say about 60 to 70% are Atmos in Australia. Again, I am betting these are titles already released here before Atmos was a thing in the home cinema market or even compatible. Gravity is one of the only films which was worth re-releasing in Atmos in Australia, As many many people will buy that film for years to come. The US can re-release dozens of titles and still have enough people buy them to warrant pressing the discs etc.
Cevolution Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) The answer is simple. When different distributors around the world release a particular movie, often the specs differ. There are some titles outside of the U.S that have Atmos tracks when the U.S version doesn't, such as Lucy, Taken 3, and Transcendence for example: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Lucy-Blu-ray/128360/ http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Taken-3-Blu-ray/123492/ http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Transcendence-Blu-ray/111827/ Edit: Where discs are replicated is irrelevant, as is the retailer that sells them. Retailers sometimes negotiate deals with studios/distributors to sell an exclusive version, this could simple be the inclusion of a booket/postcards/poster, different packaging, additional extras, or even a spec that affects the main feature, however the studios/distributors are still the ones that determine all this. Edited February 5, 2016 by Cevolution
wheelz Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Some discs like Roger waters the wall do not state atmos on the cover (jb) but do have the atmos track on the disc. So can be misleading.
CAVX Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Some discs like Roger waters the wall do not state atmos on the cover (jb) but do have the atmos track on the disc. So can be misleading. And I think this is going to be an on going problem. Dolby ATMOS is awesome, but still quite a niche market, so in an attempt to not cause consumer confusion (with yet another competing sound format), they do exactly that by incorrectly listing the title as DTS HDMA.
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 Ex Machina was re-released in DTS-X. Our version came out ages ago. You have a market of 350,000,000 pople in the US so re-releasing a title Yes its only fair to compare this with new titles so from now on lets see with new releases who gets what but at the end of the day I bet the yanks will get more than us when it comes to Atmos and DTS X
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 Some discs like Roger waters the wall do not state atmos on the cover (jb) but do have the atmos track on the disc. So can be misleading. The above has also come to my attention as we all know how many blu rays have had there audio misprinted on the rear cover so since they do this and they have been regular doing this how many other misprinted blu rays are there out there that have atmos tracks but have printed on the rear Dolby True HD or whatever. Even if its ONE its ONE to many
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 And I think this is going to be an on going problem. Dolby ATMOS is awesome, but still quite a niche market, so in an attempt to not cause consumer confusion (with yet another competing sound format), they do exactly that by incorrectly listing the title as DTS HDMA. So Atmos misprinted to DTS Master Audio or HDMA. You would think at least they would misprint it from Dolby Atmos to Dolby True HD. or DTS X to DTS Master Audio.
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 The answer is simple. When different distributors around the world release a particular movie, often the specs differ. There are some titles outside of the U.S that have Atmos tracks when the U.S version doesn't, such as Lucy, Taken 3, and Transcendence for example: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Taken-3-Blu-ray/123492/ Taken 3 wasn't that in the US also in Atmos?
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 Taken 3 wasn't that in the US also in Atmos? Looks like it was in Frog land only. Interesting!
cwt Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Just a simple question. The Blu ray movies that JB sell where do you think they source them from?. Are they locally Made?. Are they imported from overseas as the same movies that are sold in Region B say in UK. A close look at some of my bd's shows how diverse the source is Blackman ; Alpha dog has 'film censors office 18+' and what looks like south America lingo ; oblivion has ''irish film classification office 12+'' on it ; the vast majority are US . As long as the movie is in one of the object codecs is the main thing ; interesting factoid ; Sicario was dts-x in the cinemas for example ;on disc it was remixed into atmos
Eli Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Again, I am betting these are titles already released here before Atmos was a thing in the home cinema market or even compatible. From memory, there were quite a few new Atmos releases that were stripped down for Aus, and these were new releases at the time... Expendables 3, John Wick, The Gunman for example. Gravity was about the only one I can think that had been released previous to Atmos' arrival. It was looking like a bit of a worrying trend at the start, but things seemed to have picked up, with Aus Atmos releases of new movies like Everest, Sicario, Man from UNCLE, MI:4, Pan and San Andreas as some examples. (That is going off JBHiFi's listing - so don't take it as gospel.)
Cevolution Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Taken 3 wasn't that in the US also in Atmos? No, DTS-HD MA 5.1
wheelz Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 You would think at least they would misprint it from Dolby Atmos to Dolby True HD. Yes that's what they have done.
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 As long as the movie is in one of the object codecs is the main thing ; interesting factoid ; Sicario was dts-x in the cinemas for example ;on disc it was remixed into atmos Interesting
Blackman1503561291 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 No, DTS-HD MA 5.1 Thanks. found that out just now
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