Samsung TV Owners & Discussion Thread

[BirdieNumNum]

  Rocean said:

hi, can you please post your recommended settings for best viewing or atleast link me to the place where you got it from. thanks mate.

Hi Rocean

I've been meaning to share my settings for a little while considering how much effort is required to get it right.

so here goes...

The main ambition is to present the darkest possible blacks WITHOUT causing too much ‘black crush’ which is when all the darker shades are represented as black and you cant see any detail in dark scenes.

These settings work well for an Xbox360 and the inbuilt tuner, so I hope you get the same results as I.

Mode: Standard

Contrast: 36

Brightness: 44 I wouldn't be surprised if others need a different value here due to subtle differences between panels, but find the highest setting before you start to lighten baseline black. The best time to check this is with anemographic material. With a black scene you should not be able to see the black ‘letterbox’ bars at the top and bottom of the screen against the program material… they should be the same darkness.

Sharpness: 20-100 as low as possible, some HD material you can go up to 90 and then some rubbish SD needs to be softened up considerably. I put it at 100 for the Xbox when gaming, and back a bit depending on the quality of the DVD I'm watching

Colour: 60

Tint: G50/R50

Colour Tone: Cool1

Backlight: 6-10 this value depends on the ambient light at the time of viewing and should be as low as possible

Detailed settings:

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Black Adjust: Off

Dynamic Contrast: Low

Gamma: +1

Colour Space: Auto

White Balance: default

My Colour Control: default

Edge Enhancement: Off

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Size: Just Scan

Digital NR: Auto/Off the same as the sharpness setting, only use when necessary

Active Colour: Off

Auto Motion Plus 100Hz: Off!!!!!!!

DNle: On

Id love to hear what you guys think and to compare your recommendations.

Cheers!

Edited February 13, 2008 by BirdieNumNum

[bortimus]

Bought my Samsung LA40F81 on the 29/12/07 and received the TV last week. After a week of watching tele I'm fed up with this piece of ****. Apparently my TV is the 'new batch' which arrived in Sydney on the 18/01/08, has the stickers on the box and all.

I AM CURRENTLY REPORTING THAT THE 2ND BATCH OF TV'S ALSO HAVE THIS 'HORIZONTAL WAVE EFFECT IN VERTICAL BLOCKS' ATTACHED PHOTOS

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0073.jpg

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0074.jpg

Will have to deal with Samsung and Myer somehow and either get a refund or an exchange, really reluctant on the exchange though. I've only had this tv for a week, and at this point in time the 3 year warranty for peace of mind doesnt really seem too important if the TV cannot get started up properly

the firmware is 1008 2007-12-13

Edited February 13, 2008 by bortimus

[Rocean]

  bortimus said:

Bought my Samsung LA40F81 on the 29/12/07 and received the TV last week. After a week of watching tele I'm fed up with this piece of ****. Apparently my TV is the 'new batch' which arrived in Sydney on the 18/01/08, has the stickers on the box and all.

I AM CURRENTLY REPORTING THAT THE 2ND BATCH OF TV'S ALSO HAVE THIS 'HORIZONTAL WAVE EFFECT IN VERTICAL BLOCKS' ATTACHED PHOTOS

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0073.jpg

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0074.jpg

Will have to deal with Samsung and Myer somehow and either get a refund or an exchange, really reluctant on the exchange though. I've only had this tv for a week, and at this point in time the 3 year warranty for peace of mind doesnt really seem too important if the TV cannot get started up properly

the firmware is 1008 2007-12-13

i dont think thats a wave problem !!.. that is an issue with the panel of your TV..... gooo get a refuuund !!

[gadget guy]

So now they tell us:

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/lcd/0,239035307,339285901,00.htm

[Padre]

"Thanks for that. I tried to convert my AVCHD files into a DVD using Pinnacle with settings in HD mode [1920*1080]. "

Thats cool, the only difference is that Studio will now have to render the 1440 anamorphic frame/pixels to 1920 square pixel.

You shouldnt notice any degredation in quality, as all it will be doing is hacking those rectangular pixels into squares.

Thing is, AVCHD from a consumer camcoder usually only supports 1440x1080 simply because its more effecient and uses up less storage

I dunno much about this camera to be honest, but theyre al pretty much the same when it comes to codecs in use

"Tell me if i'm wrong, all these days i thoought that if you select HD mode, means 1920*1080p. "

Yes, in SQUARE pixel though... the other "HD' mode is 1440x1080 in 1.33 aspect ratio

This bullshit about "true HD" orFull HD is a marketing jibe SOny put together when they got back into the display game after a hiatus of about 18months after they said they werent going to bother with LCD displays.

18months later, out come the Bravias and Sony needed a hook.

Funny thing is, I woudl consider 720p to be true HD moreso than 1080i considering the fact taht 720p is running a higher temporal frame resolution.

Consider that interlaced footage on ANY LCD or Plasma is automatically interpolated as these panels are native progressive scan. the frames MUST be interpolated, so what you see is a blending of upper and lower fields per frame, as these panls dont run teh standard CRT scanning algorythms.

In turn, interlaced footage will NEVER be as good (sharpness wise) as 720p or 1080p no matter what panel you throw it on.

Also do not forget that a 1080p panel will inherantly show many more defects, compression artefacts, etc than a 720p capable panel.

SD or scaled SD will alwys look better on a 720 panel. I am yet to see this panel run this kind of material, but mroe than likely, it wil be runing a pixel interpolation to fill that 1920x1080 frame with 1280x720 material. In turn, image softening due to the panles scaling is a definite possibility with this and every other 1080 panel

"So from your reply, can i say that even this is 1440*1080 and not 1920*1080"

Depends.. check the spec of the camera. If the acquired footage is 1920x1080, then its sqaure pixel. If however its 1440x1080, its running HD aspect ratio of 1.33

Technically 1920 would be better, however to teh human eye, the difference is NOT noticable.. just trust me on that one..

If you rmaterial properties show that its 1440x1080, jsut leave it, theres no reason to scale it up to 1920 because your panel will display it in teh EXACT same way, regardless of whether its 1440 or 1920

Hope this helps

[Koshinator]

  bortimus said:

Bought my Samsung LA40F81 on the 29/12/07 and received the TV last week. After a week of watching tele I'm fed up with this piece of ****. Apparently my TV is the 'new batch' which arrived in Sydney on the 18/01/08, has the stickers on the box and all.

I AM CURRENTLY REPORTING THAT THE 2ND BATCH OF TV'S ALSO HAVE THIS 'HORIZONTAL WAVE EFFECT IN VERTICAL BLOCKS' ATTACHED PHOTOS

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0073.jpg

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0074.jpg

Will have to deal with Samsung and Myer somehow and either get a refund or an exchange, really reluctant on the exchange though. I've only had this tv for a week, and at this point in time the 3 year warranty for peace of mind doesnt really seem too important if the TV cannot get started up properly

the firmware is 1008 2007-12-13

Yes.. that is NOT the wave problem experienced by firmware 1006 units that were initially shipped. This can only be a faulty unit, which happens sometimes... even so, has samsung stopped giving these tvs QA checking now? Of course there's the possibility that it was damaged in transit, but it's definitely a faulty panel and you should return it for a replacement under your warranty.

[skouta]

  Koshinator said:

So, I finally have recieved my 46" F81... only 2 months and 8 days after i paid for it..

No lean, scratches in the bezel, and the picture quality is supurb... well worth the wait. One thing though... my unit is still only running the 1006 firmware (and yes, it has the wave). Samsung's sending out the firmware usb stick, so it's not a problem, but I did find it kinda strange that my set seems to have made it through Samsung's QA without being flashed (and yes, the 1006 firmware is the only one currently added, i did check to see if the 1008 was selectable). Still, amazing picture quality, and the video coming from my bluray player through hdmi is staggeringly good. PC hookup through a dvi-d to hdmi cable is quite impressive too, the best computer output i've seen on a tv. So all in all i'm exceedingly happy with my purchase, even given the 2 months wait (+ however long it will take for the usb stick to arrive).

applied the D65 picture settings linked to previously in this thread, and i find the picture a little dark... but i plan to purcase the "Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics" bluray when it's released (March 25th i think it's currently slated for). Just wondering, has anyone else used this product (for dvd) before, and is it worth getting?

Good to hear you received your set, my only concern is that you say you just received it and it has the old firmware and the wave problem. I thought all these sets were checked and upgraded by Samsung which is why you have waited so long??? Looks as though they have given up on checking them all and are just sending them out and if people complain then they are sending the usb out. If this is the case then I don't think this is good enough.

[skouta]

  gadget guy said:

So now they tell us:

http://www.cnet.com.au/tvs/lcd/0,239035307,339285901,00.htm

I wonder why they didn't mention the wave issue, if they kept an eye on this forum they must have heard about it.

The other point is that we now atleast have it in writing by an independent reviewer that the 100hz does not work as advertised. To me this means anyone who wants to return their set should be able to as it does not work as advertised.

The pleasing point is that leaving the 100hz aside they have said the tv performed excellently and would have been ranked up there with other high quality tv's barring the 100hz issue....

[Koshinator]

  skouta said:

Good to hear you received your set, my only concern is that you say you just received it and it has the old firmware and the wave problem. I thought all these sets were checked and upgraded by Samsung which is why you have waited so long??? Looks as though they have given up on checking them all and are just sending them out and if people complain then they are sending the usb out. If this is the case then I don't think this is good enough.

I don't mind it so much.. as the wave problem, whilst definitely classed as a problem for some viewing modes, is fixable... plus i get the free usb key with it. But you are correct, in that if they were still QA checking the new batch of TVs, units like mine should not have got through the net without the firmware being upgraded.

Oh, as an aside... i have little to no problems with the Motion Flow set to low in FTA broadcasts.. sure there is some artifacting, but not enough to detract from the overall effect, and i do enjoy the smoothness of the motion when it works correctly (which is more often than not to my eyes). For most of my HD media however, i usually run it in 24p mode.. and as such don't need the motionflow tech running for this. Watching Underbelly last night, i had it set to low, and it looked fantastic i must say. I've yet to try some of the alternative methods of limiting the artifacts when using this mode (like utilising game mode with certain settings) and probably will be testing it thoroughly later on in the week.. when i have time

[skouta]

  Koshinator said:

Watching Underbelly last night, i had it set to low, and it looked fantastic i must say.

Hey, now nothing to do with the TV, I'm in VIC so Underbelly was banned here. How was the show???

[Koshinator]

  skouta said:

Hey, now nothing to do with the TV, I'm in VIC so Underbelly was banned here. How was the show???

I quite liked it.. gonna have to watch it all now. Might not be a dvd/bluray purchase for me, but i'll definitely watch it (or at least try to). You should download it and check it out.. it's probably on diwana.org or a similar aussie torrent site.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Koshinator

[Sicarius123]

According to my e-mails at work this morning it was already available online 15 minutes after it finished airing on mininova.

Dan.

[Padre]

  powerman1 said:

Hi Sicarius123 - I would strongly advise against us in Australia using any firmware that was designed for another country's TV system and I am sure people who know alot more about this matter have posted in here warning against doing such a thing coz I am sure I read about it quite a few pages ago in this thread (I think) that it may well cause your TV to become unusable! I had a look at Padre's post and it was a bit too technical for a non-technical person like me me to properly grasp (no disrespect to you Padre as your post was excellent) - maybe Padre can help us out on the issue of applying US firmware to our TVs? :-)

Cheers

powerman1

Well, each TV is different, but the firmware pretty much tells the hardware how to behave in any given situation. Much like PC Bios, Firmware is pretty much the same and sets the hardware up in a certain way to perform tasks based on the instruction set.

I wouldnt run any other regions FW in our region simply for the fact that it would nuke your Warranty, render certain elements useless (such as 120hz vs 100hz... as we dont know if they changed this through HW or SW to accomodate our region.) As an example, if your Firmware is set to 120hz, and the chip is only physicaly capable of 120hz, then the potential for damage (such as overclocking a pc) is certainly there.

I dont see that it would, but the fact your running someting beyond its own specification will always pose a risk no matter what you do.

Theres also the TV Tuner issue whereby our channels are set with our frequency ranges, and the US, with Radio and UHF band sharing issues of their own,

would interfere with the way in which some channels behave (such as SBS).

In addiiton, other countries run differnt colour and resolution setups (NTSC and PAL) In turn, you may very well be shifting your PAL unit into NTSC territory, and anything pal, being 25p or 50i, may not be displayed correctly as your machine thinks its an NTSC unit.

Personally i wouldnt do it, but as you can always revert back to AU 1008 FW, then im sure therell be someone out there who would try.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Padre

[Sicarius123]

I'm not game enough to guinnea pig it, but I thought it was an interesting idea

Dan.

[bimetal]

Hi,

does anyone have a myer receipt for the 46" F81 <$3100 they may be able to send to me?

Hoping to direct this at demostehenez in particular who can't receive private messages yet.

I'm in Perth.

Thanks guys- this forum is amazing it can literally save you hundreds of $$

connectiongo at yahoo dot com dot au.

[Sicarius123]

I will scan up my quote when I get home and send it, it's just a Myer Card with the quote written on it, $3000 with 18 months interest free and free delivery.

Dan.

[jhonnypolak]

Gents ...... and ladies (if there are any here )

First of all i'd like to say thank you to all of you with all the information you have / are providing on this forum. I am extremely grateful especially to those who posted receipts. It made the purchase of my TV a pleasant one - as my wallet is not as light as it otherwise would have been

I'll start the story right from the end by saying that i scored the tv for $2700 + $60 delivery. It wasn't easy - as you'll see in my explanation below I will be providing a scan of my receipt in the upcoming week. Take a little - give a little is my motto

And now for the story... I went to a number of stores:

BING LEE - Burwood

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Spoke to: Con Tsouris

Price negotiated: $2950 (including delivery)

Method used: After the initial chitter chatter (how's your day going type of thing) - i cut straight to it and told Con i was interested in the smaller 46" brother of the 52" on display at the front of the store. I told him i wasnt happy with the price after which Con asked me what would make me happy. I told him 2700$. Ofcourse he said no way and jumped to $3100 as best price he can do for me. Despite telling him i have receipts, he didn't want to go much below it until i told him i can show him receipts for 2700$. He went down to 2950$ and then i said throw free delivery on top of that. So that's how i got that price there. I then asked Con to give me his business card with the quote. He said sorry cant do that. Then i told him, ok just give me a business card so i know who to contact to purchase the tv. Con gives me 2 business cards (perfect i thought). I get to my car i write 2950$ and keep it, on one card and on the other i write 2900$ and put it in my wallet for future negotiations.

MYER - Macquarie Shopping Center (North Ryde)

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Spoke to: Jason (CSSM of Electrical + Furniture)

Contact phone: 8879 6241

Price negotiated: $2880 (including delivery) ($2850 without delivery)

Method used: Told Jason about the 2700$ receipts. He said he couldn't go down that far and he said to go try Bing Lee as 2700$ is below cost price for MYER but not for Bing Lee (apparentley Jason's relative is some kinda big fish for Bing Lee).

So I told Jason, Bing Lee dont want to budge below 2900$ (this is where i show him Con's business card with the price i wrote on it and also "included delivery" ) lol

Jason says, ok I can do 50$ better than that. Once again i ask Jason to write me a quote and contact number on his business card and to give me another card of his

I thought you beaute, this is exactly what i want. So i leave happy and go to the next store - on the way writing $2800 on it:

JB HIFI - Macquarie Shopping Center (North Ryde)

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Spoke to: David

Price negotiated: $2700 (not including delivery)

Method used: Straight away told David i want that tv for $2700. Big mistake on my part. David used the "out of stock" trick on me. Big no no on my part. Always first ask if there's stock, if not, when can it be expected. THEN and ONLY then, ask for a price match. So David tells me .... $2700 but you get delivery in May !!!! Screw that i say. But thank David for his help and also explaining the difference between the F, N and M models.

Didn't think

DICK SMITH POWERHOUSE - Macquarie Shopping Center (North Ryde)

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Spoke to (in correct order): Andrew, Haj, Damian,

Price negotiated: $2760 (including delivery)

Method used: After all my shopping at the above stores, the last store on my map was DSP. I went to the store with 10 mins to close, which was a shame. Spoke to Andrew, showed him the $2700 receipts. Andrew said "we can beat that", what i found hard to believe. But he also said, come back tomorrow and we'll be able to do this price for you as we cant process your order now, we're shutting down.

So i returned the following day and spoke to Haj. Told Haj - Andrew promised to price match if not beat this price - and i give Haj the receipts. Haj - a beginner salesman went "out back" to check if he can do it for that price that Andrew promised. (Promised being key word) - because if Haj said he cant do it i would ask to speak to his manager right away and say: "Only reason i returned to this store is because Andrew promised me this price". Anyways, Haj comes back and says, i can beat that price and give it to you for $2650 but you need to purchase something with the TV. LIke what - i say. Haj says: HDMI cables, dvd player or extra 2 year warranty. I explained to Haj i work in I.T. and i've already got a geeky Home Theatre Setup with all the bells and whistles. Don't need anything more. So he was persistent with the extra warranty. I shot that argument down too by saying im going overseas and will be selling the tv in 2 or so years. After about 90 minutes of story telling (bullcrapping really), Haj agree's to 2700$ with delivery fee on top.

Now is where i made my biggest mistake. I DIDNT HAVE CASH AVAILABLE !!! I have a limit of 1000$ on my credit card, and $1000 on my direct debit card and had like $50 cash on me. We walk up to the counter and i tell Haj ill put a deposit down and come back in a week's time to pay the rest. Haj wasn't happy and said I can only do this price for you today. So i tell Haj, ok, i'm leaving the store and I'll be back with the money. I go home (45 min drive one way - damn saturday traffic) pick my sister up, she's going to put it on her ccard, and we go back to Powerhouse. I walk up to Haj and say I'm ready to pay. He asks me to show me my receipts again, after which he says he has to go out back and get a manager approval code to change the price. He dissapears for no joke 20 mins or even more. Comes back and says, look I cant do this price for you because neither Myer nor JB HIFI will do this price over the phone for me (he said he didnt identify himself as dick smith staff just a regular customer). I said - Haj, go back and call JB again and speak to David. Haj comes back and says - yes David works there but he's not in today. Then i say Haj - what happened ? I was here 2 hours ago and 2700$ was fine - what's changed ? And Haj obviously being greedy and wanting to sell the tv for more (probably comission reasons), says he can no longer do it for $2700. I ask to speak to Haj's manager. Haj goes to get Damian but before that dissapears for another 20 mins.

I explain the story to Damian and Damian tried to talk me out of the sale "because the price of 2700$ is below their cost price". So i explained to Damian the story, emphasising the point that i had to come back to the store twice, to get this price. Then i epxlained to Damian that its Haj's responsibility to 100% confirm the price (check receipts) before he offers me a price. After that Damian walks away to talk to Haj, comes back and says he'll sell the tv to me under 2 conditions: He can have a copy of the receipts to justify to his management why he sold the tv below cost price and 2nd condition being that i'll accept the tv from the next batch rather than the existing that just came in. (I was explained that would be the week beginning the 18th feb).

Finally Haj processed my sale. After which i thanked both Damian and Haj and shook their hands and was just another happy customer walking out their door NOT EMPTY HANDED And to think this could have been probably avoided if i had cash on the spot lol

I hope this helps all those looking for a bargain. Just remember a few golden rules:

1) Get business cards with quotes (if you cant get quotes just get the card and write the price yourself on it)

2) NEVER ask for a price match before the staff confirms stock. If its a small item, tell the sales person you'll like to buy the item, then they'll go get it and THEN you ask for a price match. I've had a sales person once confirm stock, only to go out back and say "oops sorry we dont have it"

3) BRING CASH OR ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THE DAMN THING ON THE SPOT !!! LOL

Woot, my first post - a nice, long - high quality one heheh

[KolL]

Good on you jhonnypolak . That reminded me when i was buying the 52" with Tv stand. Now i'm doing the same for my flight tickets. All you have to do is bargain bargain bargain

Also thanks to Padre

[Psygnosis]

  jhonnypolak said:

Didn't think

DICK SMITH POWERHOUSE - Macquarie Shopping Center (North Ryde)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spoke to (in correct order): Andrew, Haj, Damian,

Price negotiated: $2760 (including delivery)

Method used: After all my shopping at the above stores, the last store on my map was DSP. I went to the store with 10 mins to close, which was a shame. Spoke to Andrew, showed him the $2700 receipts. Andrew said "we can beat that", what i found hard to believe. But he also said, come back tomorrow and we'll be able to do this price for you as we cant process your order now, we're shutting down.

So i returned the following day and spoke to Haj. Told Haj - Andrew promised to price match if not beat this price - and i give Haj the receipts. Haj - a beginner salesman went "out back" to check if he can do it for that price that Andrew promised. (Promised being key word) - because if Haj said he cant do it i would ask to speak to his manager right away and say: "Only reason i returned to this store is because Andrew promised me this price". Anyways, Haj comes back and says, i can beat that price and give it to you for $2650 but you need to purchase something with the TV. LIke what - i say. Haj says: HDMI cables, dvd player or extra 2 year warranty. I explained to Haj i work in I.T. and i've already got a geeky Home Theatre Setup with all the bells and whistles. Don't need anything more. So he was persistent with the extra warranty. I shot that argument down too by saying im going overseas and will be selling the tv in 2 or so years. After about 90 minutes of story telling (bullcrapping really), Haj agree's to 2700$ with delivery fee on top.

Now is where i made my biggest mistake. I DIDNT HAVE CASH AVAILABLE !!! I have a limit of 1000$ on my credit card, and $1000 on my direct debit card and had like $50 cash on me. We walk up to the counter and i tell Haj ill put a deposit down and come back in a week's time to pay the rest. Haj wasn't happy and said I can only do this price for you today. So i tell Haj, ok, i'm leaving the store and I'll be back with the money. I go home (45 min drive one way - damn saturday traffic) pick my sister up, she's going to put it on her ccard, and we go back to Powerhouse. I walk up to Haj and say I'm ready to pay. He asks me to show me my receipts again, after which he says he has to go out back and get a manager approval code to change the price. He dissapears for no joke 20 mins or even more. Comes back and says, look I cant do this price for you because neither Myer nor JB HIFI will do this price over the phone for me (he said he didnt identify himself as dick smith staff just a regular customer). I said - Haj, go back and call JB again and speak to David. Haj comes back and says - yes David works there but he's not in today. Then i say Haj - what happened ? I was here 2 hours ago and 2700$ was fine - what's changed ? And Haj obviously being greedy and wanting to sell the tv for more (probably comission reasons), says he can no longer do it for $2700. I ask to speak to Haj's manager. Haj goes to get Damian but before that dissapears for another 20 mins.

I explain the story to Damian and Damian tried to talk me out of the sale "because the price of 2700$ is below their cost price". So i explained to Damian the story, emphasising the point that i had to come back to the store twice, to get this price. Then i epxlained to Damian that its Haj's responsibility to 100% confirm the price (check receipts) before he offers me a price. After that Damian walks away to talk to Haj, comes back and says he'll sell the tv to me under 2 conditions: He can have a copy of the receipts to justify to his management why he sold the tv below cost price and 2nd condition being that i'll accept the tv from the next batch rather than the existing that just came in. (I was explained that would be the week beginning the 18th feb).

Finally Haj processed my sale. After which i thanked both Damian and Haj and shook their hands and was just another happy customer walking out their door NOT EMPTY HANDED And to think this could have been probably avoided if i had cash on the spot lol

I hope this helps all those looking for a bargain. Just remember a few golden rules:

1) Get business cards with quotes (if you cant get quotes just get the card and write the price yourself on it)

2) NEVER ask for a price match before the staff confirms stock. If its a small item, tell the sales person you'll like to buy the item, then they'll go get it and THEN you ask for a price match. I've had a sales person once confirm stock, only to go out back and say "oops sorry we dont have it"

3) BRING CASH OR ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR THE DAMN THING ON THE SPOT !!! LOL

Woot, my first post - a nice, long - high quality one heheh

I got it for $2700 then $50 delivery from Myers 1 month ago using Roodogs receipt... anyways thats a good price you got from Powerhouse because i work at one of the powerhouses, and i tried to get a price match for myself so i didn't have to go to Myers, in the end they wouldn't even do it for me.. a staff.

Dick Smith Powerhouse have a cost price of $2939 for this TV, so extremely below cost.

I know Damien hehe, kinda going bald ay... too bad he is only 24.

It seems also that you got a discount on the delivery aswell? It's normally $98.

Also a tip on dealing with Dick Smith Powerhouse. They will generally come out to be the easiest retailer to work with in the long run. If you have a cheaper price, even if its below cost, if they refuse.. then remind them of their "We won't be beaten" policy or you will talk to the Area Manager, Ryan White.

Anyways, that link to CNET, i think because they acknowledged the Motion Plus problem aswell, we can demand Samsung fix it or we'll take it to the ACCC or court. If a respected reviewer says it's not supposed to be like that, then it will be a leg up, in legal terms.

Edited February 14, 2008 by Psygnosis

[skouta]

  bortimus said:

Bought my Samsung LA40F81 on the 29/12/07 and received the TV last week. After a week of watching tele I'm fed up with this piece of ****. Apparently my TV is the 'new batch' which arrived in Sydney on the 18/01/08, has the stickers on the box and all.

I AM CURRENTLY REPORTING THAT THE 2ND BATCH OF TV'S ALSO HAVE THIS 'HORIZONTAL WAVE EFFECT IN VERTICAL BLOCKS' ATTACHED PHOTOS

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0073.jpg

http://members.optushome.com.au/bertyboi/Photo-0074.jpg

Will have to deal with Samsung and Myer somehow and either get a refund or an exchange, really reluctant on the exchange though. I've only had this tv for a week, and at this point in time the 3 year warranty for peace of mind doesnt really seem too important if the TV cannot get started up properly

the firmware is 1008 2007-12-13

That is definately NOT the wave issue that the firmware fixes. You have another problem, make sure you report it immediately and either get it exchanged or a refund...

[skouta]

  Psygnosis said:

Anyways, that link to CNET, i think because they acknowledged the Motion Plus problem aswell, we can demand Samsung fix it or we'll take it to the ACCC or court. If a respected reviewer says it's not supposed to be like that, then it will be a leg up, in legal terms.

I agree 100%, we now need to start telephoning Samsung Technical Support and logging this as an issue so they will do something about it. They won't admit to this being a "known" fault until they have quite a few calls. So let's get to it and get another firmware upgrade asap.....

[kulfi]

  jhonnypolak said:

Well done mate. You're the boss of bargaining! I liked your post so much I pasted it on the "HDTV Prices" thread with due credit given to you. I update the Wiki and offer tips to prospective buyers when I can, so your post is the best guide to newbies. Hope you won't mind.

Hats off to you ! Just hope you get a good TV and not one with the wave problems etc. My colleague has one (lucky fella) and it's fantastic. The big advantage of buying from DS PowerHouse is that you can give it back in 14 days for a full refund, no questions asked so I'd say it's a great deal in all respects.

[powerman1]

  Psygnosis said:

I got it for $2700 then $50 delivery from Myers 1 month ago using Roodogs receipt... anyways thats a good price you got from Powerhouse because i work at one of the powerhouses, and i tried to get a price match for myself so i didn't have to go to Myers, in the end they wouldn't even do it for me.. a staff.

Dick Smith Powerhouse have a cost price of $2939 for this TV, so extremely below cost.

I know Damien hehe, kinda going bald ay... too bad he is only 24.

It seems also that you got a discount on the delivery aswell? It's normally $98.

Also a tip on dealing with Dick Smith Powerhouse. They will generally come out to be the easiest retailer to work with in the long run. If you have a cheaper price, even if its below cost, if they refuse.. then remind them of their "We won't be beaten" policy or you will talk to the Area Manager, Ryan White.

Anyways, that link to CNET, i think because they acknowledged the Motion Plus problem aswell, we can demand Samsung fix it or we'll take it to the ACCC or court. If a respected reviewer says it's not supposed to be like that, then it will be a leg up, in legal terms.

Hi Psygnosis and skouta - just catching up on yet another day in the life of this Samsung F81 thread and wow what a day it has been with that link to Cnet Australia's review of the 46" F81 TV giving us the proof we need to put the "heat" on Samsung as it now seems clear that the F81 can be considered "not fit for purpose" under the TPA administered by the ACCC because the 100HZ Motion Plus feature has been one of the major selling points for the F81 range and seems to be promoted that way by Samsung (take a look at their Australian website - then there's the 100HZ Motion Plus sticker on the TV itself) yet it either does not work or works so badly it makes things worse (something numbers of us forum members posted quite some time ago)!

I also recall posting in here weeks ago that I found it odd that the F81 manual (page 30) advises to switch 100HZ Motion Plus off if noise appears on the screen when you turn Motion Plus on! Surely that alone would suggest they had not perfected it. I wonder if they knew it was so bad even back then yet continued to sell these TVs and promote the 100HZ feature?

Someone needs to send the Cnet review weblink to the ACCC and a link to Samsung's website re the 100HZ Motion Flow "blurb"and perhaps a link to page 30 of the manual and request them to investigate - I agree that numbers of us also need to ring or email the ACCC re this matter as they told me previously that they generally only act after they receive numbers of complaints on the same issue.

I have read in the Americans' AVS Forum that Samsung USA has already released a fix for the lower settings of their version of AMP (Auto Motion Plus) as they call it and they were working on a fix for the higher settings last time I had a look in their Forum perhaps 2 weeks ago. I posted in here back then that I wonder if that meant Samsung Australia could develop a fix for our F81 TVs re 100HZ Motion Plus - now, we have the evidence we need to start requesting Samsung Australia to look at this issue and work on a fix.

Cheers

powerman1

Cheers

powerman1

EDIT:- I just had a thought - we could email this Dave Jansen (the Cnet Australia reviewer) and see what he can do to help the "cause" - for example, he may be able to speak to major newspaper tech editors (eg; the SMH and the Age) and if the story hits those papers then that will certainly put the heat on Samsung Australia to do something about the crappy 100HZ Motion Plus in the TVs already sold and any new ones coming here! There's also the various magazines that concentrate on home entertainment such as Sound and Image etc etc.

Edited February 14, 2008 by powerman1

[Psygnosis]

Sounds good to me powerman1.

I'm supposed to be getting my TV on this upcoming Tuesday, so we'll throw in a complaint next week.

We need to get high in the chain at Samsung to cause any real feedback. If they say it's a feature, we'll link them back to CNET and threaten them with ACCC.

Does anyone know who is the highest status we can reach at Samsung Australia?

[BonsoWonderDog]

Hi all......first post.

I'm thinking seriously about getting an 46" F8 before the end of the month, to take advantage of the free 26" TV deal.

Having spent the last two hours reading this thread, I'm now in doubt as to what to do.

The "wave" problem is solved, but the 100hz motionflow problem isn't I understand.

My question is this:

If you turn OFF the 100hz motionflow, is it still worth the extra money to pay over the M8 (with the lesser 15:000 contract etc) ? Or, do you think either go with the M8 or another brand (Sony etc) ?

Final point - it would be SO great if someone could PM or email me with a sub-$3000 receipt for this beast, should I choose to go ahead.

I'm in Brisbane, and my email address is damiangag @ the usual hotmail dot com stuff.

Thanks heaps.....

Damian