loser Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 that would be very hard to do tulkam keep in mind a disc of this sort would need to have a software update for every player ever made. Every disk already checks to see if the player is compliant, this goes back to DVD, when CSS was cracked the Chinese brand that left the door open was deleted from the approved list on every disk manufactured after that point, so the previously purchased players were useless. If I remember correctly they include 150 codes on every disk and if the player is not one of them the disk will not play. I was more than they needed and any new brand would be allocated an unused code. It took no space at all And would need to make sure an older FW didnt overwrite a newer one. That is simply a matter of not upgrading software with a later number, simple stuff.
momaw Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Every disk already checks to see if the player is compliant, this goes back to DVD, when CSS was cracked the Chinese brand that left the door open was deleted from the approved list on every disk manufactured after that point, so the previously purchased players were useless. If I remember correctly they include 150 codes on every disk and if the player is not one of them the disk will not play. I was more than they needed and any new brand would be allocated an unused code. It took no space at allThat is simply a matter of not upgrading software with a later number, simple stuff. I do not believe that is correct. Do you have any proof of these bricked players or that 150 codes are recoginised by the 1000's plus of models of dvd on the market?
loser Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 I do not believe that is correct. Do you have any proof of these bricked players or that 150 codes are recoginised by the 1000's plus of models of dvd on the market? As I said I am going on memory, the codes are for brands not models, e.g. Pioneer will have one code for all models, I can certainly remember that news items at the time said the brand was deleted but apart from quoting news items how would I know. I've yet to read a post on a forum where anybody can prove what they say is true, and very often it is quite obviously not. We are reading opinions that are worth what they cost.
IanD1503559705 Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 that would be very hard to do tulkam keep in mind a disc of this sort would need to have a software update for every player ever made. Maybe not if the update only modifies a very rigidly designed piece of firmware that all approved players are required to maintain (sort of like a boot sector concept for OS). If the player doesn't maintain this core bit of code in precisely the defined structure/location/etc then maybe any disc would refuse to play, so it is in the manufacturers interest to comply; and once compliant, then it might be easy to modify that area with AACS key updates etc.
betty boop Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Maybe not if the update only modifies a very rigidly designed piece of firmware that all approved players are required to maintain (sort of like a boot sector concept for OS). If the player doesn't maintain this core bit of code in precisely the defined structure/location/etc then maybe any disc would refuse to play, so it is in the manufacturers interest to comply; and once compliant, then it might be easy to modify that area with AACS key updates etc. and thus rendering every non local region hd-dvd that the customers purchased previously ? do not think so. would be a massive set back for the format. any studio that attenpted this or any equipment manufacturer.
IanD1503559705 Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 I do not believe that is correct. Do you have any proof of these bricked players or that 150 codes are recoginised by the 1000's plus of models of dvd on the market? Imagine the chaos and angry backlash from the customers when suddenly a slew of players refuse to play any more discs because some hacker somewhere had a breakthrough. It might be worth it happening early on to force a repeal of the ridiculously draconian copy protection being used.
momaw Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Maybe not if the update only modifies a very rigidly designed piece of firmware that all approved players are required to maintain (sort of like a boot sector concept for OS). If the player doesn't maintain this core bit of code in precisely the defined structure/location/etc then maybe any disc would refuse to play, so it is in the manufacturers interest to comply; and once compliant, then it might be easy to modify that area with AACS key updates etc. As rigidly designed as say, region coding? I don't think this would work. Not on such an open format as DVD and HD-DVD. It is too easy for a manufacturer to either not include this or install a work around. It is not like a disc has a "choice" in whether it plays or not. Just so long as the player can access the information stored on it. Maybe on something very tightly controlled like blu-ray could this happen, where deviation from the format can result in licence cancellation or unauthorised manufacturers being sued into oblivion (like Sony did to Lik-sang).
T800 Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Aus Blu-Ray list updated for you BRay owners - http://hdworld.iforumer.com/viewforum.php?...;mforum=hdworld
Tweet Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 I wonder if a 'copy' of a SD DVD could invoke copyright protection of a HD player and shut it down. The Flash program is possibly already installed in the player and if the operating system when loading the disc encounters an 'illegitimate' copy then it may go on to modify the firmware. The possibilities are endless. C.M
RodN Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 Has anyone with a blu-ray player tried fantastic four our yet with DTS-HD Master audio? http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/791096 This thing has one of the most dynamic sound tracks on the dvd, wondering how it'll go with this new format.
Guest Posted December 4, 2006 Posted December 4, 2006 That is simply a matter of not upgrading software with a later number, simple stuff. Simple maybe, but it aint gonna happen.
Jace Posted December 5, 2006 Posted December 5, 2006 Has anyone with a blu-ray player tried fantastic four our yet with DTS-HD Master audio? There are no players or receivers currently on the market that can decode DTS-HD. Panasonic is introducing a firmware upgrade in April 2007. Sony and Pioneer haven't even announced whether their players will ever be able to decode DTS-HD (they only have analogue 5.1 outputs as well) and the Samsung can't decode DTS-HD or Dolby True HD. I don't have Fantastic Four, but have watched X-Men 3. The audio outputs as DTS-ES via optical (only 5.1 via analogue, although there are 7.1 outputs on the Panasonic) at 1.5mbps and it sounds better than anything I've heard in HD, including Superman Returns and Batman Begins in TrueHD.
Highjinx Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 No - I think it's more a case that many members are trying to put one member's perpetually Panglossian posts on Blu-Ray in perspective...(If this member had supported HD-DVD instead, I for one would probably be posting every tidbit of news predicting HD-DVD's demise.) Not keeping up with the latest information I see. surroundfan is right Preacher. Most of the noise is directed at the one member for whom the silver lining is all important and dark clouds are immaterial.Dr. Pangloss indeed. Keep taking refuge in the words of like minded folks Still see the PS3 as only a Console and not a stella BluRay player as well, ajm? C.M's quote site has an opinion: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Games_And_Dev...onsole/W2D5W7X5
ajm1503559545 Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Still see the PS3 as only a Console and not a stella BluRay player as well, ajm? Yep. The owners of these consoles think so too. Sales of BD movies seem to reflect that. It's sad seeing you so hopelessly stubborn that you still spout Sony marketing and find fantasies of marketing genius where there is only hubris and hype HJ. Sad and a little pathetic. Time for you to move on to exclusively Sony/PS3/Blu-ray forums where the few remaining die-hard fan-trolls can twitter away without annoying the rest of the world.
Tweet Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 As I said, why would they mention some futuristic Playstation if this one (the PS3) were not in trouble ? The PS3 clearly has some way to go to convince buyers that it 'is' all that it has promised. The internal Blu-ray player makes the console too expensive to adequately compete with an Xbox as a gamer,the Blu-ray player should have been an add-on like the 360 HD player giving the option to the consumer. Any player problems with the PS3 requires the console to be returned for servicing, leaving the little kiddies without a toy and mum and dad without a BR movie to watch. Well, what would you expect from a Sony marketing strategy ? C.M
Highjinx Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Yep. The owners of these consoles think so too. Sales of BD movies seem to reflect that.It's sad seeing you so hopelessly stubborn that you still spout Sony marketing and find fantasies of marketing genius where there is only hubris and hype HJ. Sad and a little pathetic. Time for you to move on to exclusively Sony/PS3/Blu-ray forums where the few remaining die-hard fan-trolls can twitter away without annoying the rest of the world. Thankfully the majority aren't as closed minded as you. I hope your data of movie sales is not coming from Amazon/MS BTW please take note that this is a BLU-RAY thread... As I said, why would they mention some futuristic Playstation if this one (the PS3) were not in trouble ?The PS3 clearly has some way to go to convince buyers that it 'is' all that it has promised. The internal Blu-ray player makes the console too expensive to adequately compete with an Xbox as a gamer,the Blu-ray player should have been an add-on like the 360 HD player giving the option to the consumer. Any player problems with the PS3 requires the console to be returned for servicing, leaving the little kiddies without a toy and mum and dad without a BR movie to watch. Well, what would you expect from a Sony marketing strategy ? C.M Sure seem to a whole bunch of lucky kiddies out there...........even a few above 25!
Tweet Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 " Sure seem to a whole bunch of lucky kiddies out there...........even a few above 25! ".........HJ You offer no constructive argument at all, which I guess is just 'part and parcel' of your reasoning in general. C.M
Highjinx Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 " Sure seem to a whole bunch of lucky kiddies out there...........even a few above 25! ".........HJYou offer no constructive argument at all, which I guess is just 'part and parcel' of your reasoning in general. C.M Decipher..........this is not a kiddy toy! Seriously, if you have no interest in BR why bother posting in here. I never bother posting anything anti HD-Dvd in HD-DVD threads.
Tweet Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Decipher..........this is not a kiddy toy! Seriously, if you have no interest in BR why bother posting in here. I never bother posting anything anti HD-Dvd in HD-DVD threads. I have a greater interest in Blu-ray than I do in HD DVD , Sony's marketing of Blu-ray is enticingly crazy. The Blu-ray technology is perfectly fine though it is pushing the boundaries of reliability when used in a consumer's device such as this gamer and Sony is likely to see quite a few returns over the next year or two. C.M
Highjinx Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 I have a greater interest in Blu-ray than I do in HD DVD , Sony's marketing of Blu-ray is enticingly crazy.The Blu-ray technology is perfectly fine though it is pushing the boundaries of reliability when used in a consumer's device such as this gamer and Sony is likely to see quite a few returns over the next year or two. C.M You have brought up the possibility of a reliability issue, several times, but thus far all seems well, however only a few 100k have been sold...............we shall see in the longer term.
rabbitoh1 Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 You have brought up the possibility of a reliability issue, several times, but thus far all seems well, however only a few 100k have been sold...............we shall see in the longer term. Yep but not based on proven tech like HD-DVD, so we will see. I can only hope it does not take 3 years for GT5 to come out on PS3. That is what I want.
Mr.Bitey Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 I just found this thread I'll be back! Bitey
HoffY Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 ....I can only hope it does not take 3 years for GT5 to come out on PS3. That is what I want. OMG i'm glad i'm not the only one
momaw Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Notice how there was some perfectly nice conversation about the pros and cons of the blu-ray format, a good exchange of opinions and articles with no antagonism.........and then HJ comes back and wanting to start a b!tch fight and start the bickering again. Get over it man.
dagger Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 News?? from engadget: Posted Dec 7th 2006 11:16AM by Darren Murph Filed under: HDTV, Home Entertainment While some folks just can't make up their mind, and other have already leaned one way or the other, a recent independent survey points to Sony's format being the one losing ground and interest, but we can't say we're surprised. Betamax, ATRAC, MiniDisc, and UMDs were all crafted by Sony, and all fell (basically) flat before ever really catching on, and it seems the costly Blu-ray format may be headed for the same fate. Cymfony, a market influence analytics company, found that "positive discussions" about HD DVD were "46-percent higher" than talks about Blu-ray, with over twice as many post authors being "impressed with HD DVD" rather than "impressed with Blu-ray." A good deal of the negativity shown towards Blu-ray was attributed to Sony's "heavy handed" approach of forcing Blu-ray upon PlayStation 3 owners, not to mention the notoriously delayed (and pricey) standalone players. Although it's still far too early to tell which format will rise victorious (you know, since peace talks have all but ceased), there's no denying the high costs associated with both next-generation discs, but Sony's track record with these proprietary ideas definitely doesn't bode well for it.
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