Skid_MacMarx Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 There has been speculation that a deal had been made for some time.. It reminds me of the Keating/Hawke debacle....One thing we know for sure, Costello doesn't have the same charisma; and JWH the party would see this as a liability.. Quote Costello bombshell on PM 'deal'In an explosive statement, Treasurer Peter Costello said John Howard did offer to hand over the Liberal leadership to him after serving 1½ terms as prime minister. Mr Costello said he had not sought any undertaking on the Liberal leadership, but Mr Howard had made the offer at a meeting with him and former Liberal minister Ian McLachlan in December 1994.... http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/costel...2383652741.html
myrantz Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 Skid_MacMarx said: There has been speculation that a deal had been made for some time.. It reminds me of the Keating/Hawke debacle....One thing we know for sure, Costello doesn't have the same charisma; and JWH the party would see this as a liability.. Like him or hate him, I must say he's probably the best politician of all time. Nobody can lie like he can, and have people willing enough to take the blame. Personally I don't like JWH, but I do admire his blatant lying mannerisms. Especially his "trust" propaganda. If he writes a book and teach us how to lie, get caught, and come out unscathed (it's so many times that I've lost count), cars salesman and real estate agents alike will hail/revere this as the new bible.
ajm1503559545 Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 Charismatic's not the word I would use to describe JWH. I guess when compared to Costello though who's a charisma black hole, JWH is probably charisma-on-a-stick. I think JWH is now so used to lying or distorting the truth at least that he's not at all perturbed by being outnumbered 2:1 by witnesses. Clearly though he's had no faith in Costello and is practically daring him to challenge while Costello knows he doesn't have the numbers. For Costello this must be especially grating since the only way he can get the leadership is for Howard to hand it to him and obviously Howard's not going to do that just yet. Perhaps Howard is waiting for someone votable to pop up and not shoot themselves in the foot. Most of the likely candidates have a habit of doing or saying something stupid and or/embarrassing. Costello has never had to say or do much that could cause him problems and has stayed relatively unscathed despite sitting on billions of dollars of our money and doing nothing of any note with it other than hand it back in trifling amounts. Ahhh the sweet smell of mediocrity. Truly a government bereft of vision.
Hussla Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 This infuriates me, the liberal party this past year has been doing everything and anything to sabotage themselves as if they actually want to lose the next election. The image i'm getting from all of this is, the liberals and labour have an under the table agreement to hold power so many terms, otherwise why would the liberals be sabotaging themselves? F**k Costello, I didn't vote for him nor would I trust him as a leader, especially after all this, he just strikes me as a disloyal backstabber and doesn't deserve the position of primeminister.
gclark8 Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 While Howard may not be the PM we want, Costello and Beasley are some options we don't want!!! Until we see a better offering in the wings stay with what we have now.
John_Barber Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 Christopher M.J.T said: F**k Costello, I didn't vote for him nor would I trust him as a leader, especially after all this, he just strikes me as a disloyal backstabber and doesn't deserve the position of primeminister. My opinion of Costello was formed when the smug b@$t@rd was persecuting the Dollar Sweets and Abattoir industrial relations cases. My opinion has not changed over the years. Nor do I particularly like our drab and boring Prime Minister, however I far prefer Howard as PM than Costello. From all the reports of this conversation of 12 years ago, made when Howard wasn't even opposition leader, I do not see this as a "deal" which Costello can even begin to count on as a promise of the Prime Ministership. There is no question, however, that this latest speculation is extremely damaging to the country's leadership stability. Any fallout from this is down to Costello. JB
mello yello Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 gclark8 said: While Howard may not be the PM we want,Costello and Beasley are some options we don't want!!! Until we see a better offering in the wings stay with what we have now. Why cant we be more like the Italians and have someone like Cicciolina ?
gclark8 Posted July 10, 2006 Posted July 10, 2006 mello yello said: Why cant we be more like the Italians and have someone like Cicciolina ? Did you mean Amanda or Natasha?
Aloysius Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 " There comes a time in the affairs of man ...." "Who wants to live forever?" JWH has to be reaching the use by date, fine record or not - depending on your particular point of view! If he really does put Australia first, the Liberal party second, and himself third, then he must have some hard decisions to make. Whoever takes over they will hopefully rise to the occasion and perform the role well
Skid_MacMarx Posted July 11, 2006 Author Posted July 11, 2006 Cicciolina, has my vote Mello gclark8 said: Did you mean Amanda or Natasha? Amanda, George? She wouldn't even fit the BBW category! Meg lees and the Democrats ... they will never get my vote .. with their GST deal with JWH yes, looks like Costello may have shot himself in the foot with this one.... I suppose we have the Republican Turnbull and the "head kicker "Abbott" JWH has been called many things .. but never thought I'd hear two from his own party call him a lier.... rising oil prices. rising interest rate, lower wages, less investment in public infrastructure.. whoever gets in, will have a few issues to seriously tackle.. commodity booms don't last forever.. Two rate hikes "on the cards"
Aloysius Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Plus more jobs, increasing housing starts, things are going downhill fast all right!
Skid_MacMarx Posted July 11, 2006 Author Posted July 11, 2006 Quote PM defuses Costello bombshellTreasurer Peter Costello will remain in his job, Prime Minister John Howard says. But he said Mr Costello told him he would like to take over the leadership before the election due late next year. "Mr Costello, obviously, would like to see a leadership change in his favour before the election,'' Mr Howard said. "I have indicated to him that I've always indicated that, in the end, it is the will of the party and the interests of the party that is paramount. http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pm-def...2383707329.html sounds like an Alan [aka Aloysius] answer!!! Better to have the enemy near-by rather than out of sight.....
mello yello Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Aloysius said: Plus more jobs, increasing housing starts, things are going downhill fast all right! Well the Stock Market dropped quite a few points on news of "the takeover bid" Oh damn Al(s)......there goes that holiday in Tourqay
Austen Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 I guess it's really a case of "Who cares" ? Do any of us believe any of our politicans will act hounorably any more ? No. We see time and time again that power has it's privilages, the main one which seems to be that you are not accountable for your actions............. Austen.
drsmith Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 A chioce between Peter Costello or Kim Beasley at the next election ??????????? A'm I just getting cynical in my old age or are the options really getting worse over time. Bring back John Hewson. Hopefully now he can successfully explain the impact of today's GST on a birthday cake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_Cake_Interview
Austen Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 drsmith said: ***SNIP***Bring back John Hewson................. Nah....Too honest !! "I'm John Hewson, The country needs a GST. Vote for me and I'll bring it in, don't vote for me and I'll go away and earn zillions more in private enterprise." And that's what he did, No malice, just went to private practice and writes occasionally for the Fin Review. Austen.
Skid_MacMarx Posted July 11, 2006 Author Posted July 11, 2006 Austen said: "I'm John Hewson, The country needs a GST. Vote for me and I'll bring it in, don't vote for me and I'll go away and earn zillions more in private enterprise." plus his academic work.... you will find some of his AFR clippings have been quite critical of JWH bye bye Hewson... he was no match for Keating....
Austen Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Skid_MacMarx said: plus his academic work....you will find some of his AFR clippings have been quite critical of JWH Fer shure........That certainly doesn't diminish my respect for the man. As I said, he calls it as he sees it.......... Skid_MacMarx said: bye bye Hewson... he was no match for Keating.... I'll let that one slip through to the keeper..........For now !!! Austen.
Skid_MacMarx Posted July 11, 2006 Author Posted July 11, 2006 Austen said: I'll let that one slip through to the keeper..........For now !!! I meant performance in the "bear pit" in a political sense.. Both had very different qualities althought I did not agree with a lot Keating's policies....he was a strong leader.. at the time JWH would have been a stronger leader than his advisor... regarless of side.. you should always have a strong opposition to keep things in check n' balance... please don't interpret what I said previously as disrespect for Hewson.....
Tweet Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Surely anything is better than the unrepresentitive swill that has been in power for the last 10 years. I wonder if the Labor party could convince Paul Keating to come back to serve one term as PM ( if they win), after that ? Surely they need someone more convincing than Kimbo to put things right for the tough times ahead. This Howard /Costello debacle is the first opening of the cracks in the rust bucket they call the Liberal party. The rivets are popping already. C.M
drsmith Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Chicken Man said: Surely anything is better than the unrepresentitive swill that has been in power for thae last 10 years. Seeing this I can no longer resist another little intermission into political history. http://www.webcity.com.au/keating/ Paul Keating at his finest.
Austen Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 Skid_MacMarx said: ***SNIP***..regarless of side.. you should always have a strong opposition to keep things in check n' balance... Hmm....I'm still thinking about that one, something along the lines of aboloshing the Senate and having fixed four-year terms for the Reps. The Senate has lost the plot regarding "States Rights" it's now just a house of national political review. And don't get me started about Sen Harridine from down there, 10,000 votes effectively gives him the balance of power in the country, one million One Nation votes and they got bugger all. While not playing the man (or the woman here) there's something dreadfully wrong when someone with 10,000 votes weilds more power than someone with a million votes..... Skid_MacMarx said: please don't interpret what I said previously as disrespect for Hewson..... No Skid, I didn't, in fact I almost noticed a bit (just a tiny bit mind you) of grudging respect for the man !!!! Austen.
Tweet Posted July 11, 2006 Posted July 11, 2006 You gotta admit Paul Keating had a turn of phrase and could mix it with the best. A few quotes of Paul Keating speaking of Howard..... "He is the greatest job and investment destroyer since the bubonic plague." "He has more hide than a team of elephants." * Actually 'drsmith' that is a very amusing read. http://www.webcity.com.au/keating/ C.M
Foggy Posted July 12, 2006 Posted July 12, 2006 A few years ago, my neighbours planted a nondescript shrub called a Dwarf Howard Bush (Terraris Australis Arselickus) on our fenceline. We've since discovered that it's a poisonous species that can't be trusted... if allowed, it will take over your garden and spread it's insidious roots everywhere, making it very difficult to remove. It's lifespan is anywhere between 8 to 12 years and it requires a daily trim of some of its canopy foliage to keep it looking somewhat respectable. I have trained my dog to p!ss on my Howard Bush, but it seems impervious to any damage because of its teflon coating. Does anyone know how I can remove this pest from my backyard?
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