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New Forum Software

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did you have some problem yesterday morning too. Could not get on for some reason - kept getting could not find server.

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Nod, previous two days at 4am. Is weird, it's almost like the previous DB server just went "Okay, I'm done for the day".

Coral,

Why is this new forum software sucking so much data from my computer?

After being online for 3 hours - with the only activity being the occasional refresh of the active topics page and viewing about 10 recent posts - my computer has sent MORE data to you than you have sent to me! :P:blink:

Is this a "feature" of the new software? Or was it the same previously? What is being read (about 40kb just to 'refresh' a page)?

Ian

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Sounds odd. Traffic graphs on this end haven't swung anything above what I would consider normal. In fact, since the new software our incoming traffic has decreased.

Sounds odd.  Traffic graphs on this end haven't swung anything above what I would consider normal.  In fact, since the new software our incoming traffic has decreased.

I would still like to know why my computer needs to send yours 40kb just to refresh a page? And what exactly is being requested from your end?

FWIW, I disabled my "Connection Keeper" in case it was siphoning off info to some tracking site - and have scanned [again] for Spybots, etc - but still no difference.

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The software sends a cookie or two, but ultimately it's streaming you the data. Maybe your TTL's on your connection are being weird which is causing your connection to re-request data bits more than normal?

Hard to say otherwise. I'll run some counters on this end, but I fear you may be an individual case.

Maybe your TTL's on your connection are being weird which is causing your connection to re-request data bits more than normal?

Errrr . . . :blink: ??

I am having problems with my connection dropping frequently over the past few days (probably starting before your new software was installed ... can't remember exactly). I will continue working on my end - from what you seem to be saying [?] it is probably the culprit (though the XP-SP1 status panel shows 0 errors).

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I took a look at some figures. Under certain scenarios, the download-to-upload ratio is about 6 down (to the client) for every 1 up (from your client) - I would consider this normal.

However, if I press reload in IE - the caching takes place. And for whatever reason, it seems to be uploading more data than it downloads. So, you may be onto something! I've sent a report into the developers for analysis on this.

Normal browsing etc throughout the forums seems about right (6-1, 8-1) - the main page is throwing it off a tad.

Coral,

Good to see another site move over to using XHTML 1.0 Transitional (and publicising the use of HTTP compression) - the performance is quite good.

However, it could be great! Is there any reason why the styles need to be inlined on every page? Moving to an external stylesheet would shift 20K that didn't need to be compressed (to 4-5K?) and streamed for every page request. Would decrease server load and download time significantly.

Otherwise, great job on the upgrade - seamless transition for me. :blink:

- Miles.

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Do you have some mailer code I can use as an example to the developers? They like that kinda thing :blink:

Do you have some mailer code I can use as an example to the developers?  They like that kinda thing :blink:

(I presume this was directed at me! Sorry if it was not!)

I've attached the styles used on the site as a separate css file, and it should be a matter of simply replacing the <style> element in the <head> of the template with one of the two snippets below:

<style type="text/css" media="screen">@import url( /dtvforum.css );</style>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" href="/dtvforum.css" />

FWIW, there are also a couple of minor glitches in the header/footer of the template that are not valid XHTML (unclosed <img /> and <br /> tags, and a deprecated <center> for example). Should be easy to fix (happy to help out).

- Miles.

dtvforum.css

The styles are technically a seperate sheet. It's just that when each page is loaded, the styles are inserted from the database as a "inline" style.

Coral, there is an option (I think it is still there as I can't get 2.0 final due to IPS changing their policy's) that allows the stylesheet to be used externally. It's somewhere in the skin properties.

FWIW, there are also a couple of minor glitches in the header/footer of the template that are not valid XHTML (unclosed <img /> and <br /> tags, and a deprecated <center> for example). Should be easy to fix (happy to help out).

It was actually just the footer. Try this out:

<p style='text-align:center'><a href='http://www.dba.org.au' target='_blank'><img src='style_images/1/logo1.gif' alt='DBA logo' /></a><br />Digital Broadcasting Australia</p>
<p style='text-align:center'>Supported and Hosted By: Coral Hosting (<a 
href="http://www.coralhosting.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.coralhosting.com.au</a>)<br />Problems?  Contact a human <a
href='http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showuser=2' target='_blank'>here</a>.</p>

There are a couple of target="_new" references in the header that should be target="_blank", but this is a minor issue.

- Miles.

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I'll give the CSS alterations a go hopefully tomorrow, thanks Rochford/Kenneth.

The upload traffic problem alerted by ijd is also currently under investigation on main page views.

the +quote and reply function is not working anymore see my post here...very frustrating. just shows up as

Your quote has some problems.

[quote=Sway,Oct 4 2004, 08:48 PM]
[/quote] <<<<<<<<<<<<Looky here.
TV networks do not use DVD's as source material.
[/quote]<<<<<<<<<<<<Looky here.

Oh yes they do! A few nights ago, someone stuffed up and we were treated to 10 minutes of a still image which was definately from a DVD. Can't remember if it was 7 or WIN. I'm in Qld.

Sway
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[/quote]

With the extra closing quotes removed

TV networks do not use DVD's as source material.

Oh yes they do! A few nights ago, someone stuffed up and we were treated to 10 minutes of a still image which was definately from a DVD. Can't remember if it was 7 or WIN. I'm in Qld.

Sway

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EDIT: I have looked further up and found it was Sway's problem (he/she added a / in the opening quote tag).

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I agree - be careful with tag closing. IPB sometimes tries to guess what you meant and closes them for you.

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THIS IS A TEST USING +QUOTE:

I'll give the CSS alterations a go hopefully tomorrow, thanks Rochford/Kenneth.

The upload traffic problem alerted by ijd is also currently under investigation on main page views.

the +quote and reply function is not working anymore see my post here...very frustrating. just shows up as

EDIT: Works fine =)

Edited by Coral

thanks guys for clarifying, drove me nuts for a while - could't figure out why it would work.

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Rochford/Ijd,

IPB 2.0 actually has a feature to create the .css files without manual intervention. I've changed the setting to perform this and as a result, the CSS file should now be cachable. You will note that the skin is now no longer inline, and is via @import.

This should hopefully also result the main index upload bandwidth issue too.

IPB 2.0 actually has a feature to create the .css files without manual intervention.  I've changed the setting to perform this and as a result, the CSS file should now be cachable.  You will note that the skin is now no longer inline, and is via @import.

Awesome! Even on a 1Mb connection, this speeds up the site no end! Thanks for that Coral - much appreciated. You should make sure the next DBA newsletter talks about the new system and how much faster/better it is.

It would be great if you could trumpet XHTML compliance too - it's starting to become a big issue for accessibility.

- Miles.

Edit: This will be great when I'm mobile too - CDMA 1x can sometimes be slow, especially in buildings.

Yep, it appears faster to me too, thanks!

A couple of thoughts/questions.

While it gives a bunch of extra thread subscribe options, I don't think any of the options give me what I want, which is what was on offer before.

That is: Send an email as soon as a new message is posted to a thread, then don't send any more emails until I go and read the thread (saves having a dozen emails in your inbox if you haven't read the thread in a few hours).

I thought the delayed option may have achieved this, but it doesn't.

Also, I am subscribed to this "New Forum Software" thread with "immediately send email", which is annoying now with all the messages coming thru, and it doesn't appear that I can alter the subscription option once I have chosen it (well, it certainly isn't a plain obvious option that I can find).

edit: Oops, found the change option.... it was in "my controls", sorry!

Regards

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Nod, is much faster. Thanks again Rochford for bring it to my attention :blink:

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Pending no further concerns, I'll shift this into the holding bay.

Pending no further concerns, I'll shift this into the holding bay.

The XHTML fixes in the footer? :blink:

- Miles.

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