Looking forward to this US Series

[Guest Sime]

Coming soon on Channel 9, the 20 year old case of the murder of Jonbenét Ramsey will be solved over a 3 night miniseries/doco The Case of Jonbenét Ramsey. 

 

I bet it was the father. 

Edited September 4, 2016 by Sime

[unclemack]

The case will be solved? ha ha

[Guest Sime]

@unclemack it's advertised as the case being solved, so........

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

We need to get our very own Peter Butt onto the case:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Butt

 

I went to tech with Peter, until he found his real passion - documentary making. His work on the Bogle-Chandler case was fascinating.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870216/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

[unclemack]

12 hours ago, Sime said:

@unclemack it's advertised as the case being solved, so........

I remember a Jack the Ripper TV doco once that proclaimed the same thing...load of bulldust.

 

IMO of course...

[Kaynin]

Interesting, i may watch it out of curiosity, but wont be expecting it to be solved.

 

I do suspect, though, that the focus will primarily be on a flawed investigation, which is often the case with these shows. 

[LogicprObe]

On 06/09/2016 at 2:53 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said:

We need to get our very own Peter Butt onto the case:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Butt

 

I went to tech with Peter, until he found his real passion - documentary making. His work on the Bogle-Chandler case was fascinating.

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0870216/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

I knew playing Dutch Ovens was dangerous!

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

LOL

[GregWormald]

Please post when this is on.

I'll read a book and/or listen to music.

 

Greg

[Guest Sime]

2 hours ago, GregWormald said:

Please post when this is on.

I'll read a book and/or listen to music.

 

Greg

 

 

Thanks is for your input, but regardless of the actual "legality" of the shows verdict, being whether charges can be laid after the investigation, some people in this world actually enjoy watching how investigative teams go through the process of finding evidence and the never ending pitfalls of getting to the truth. 

 

Ill enjoy it, you can enjoy your book. 

[jamiebosco]

On ?4?/?09?/?2016 at 10:00 PM, Sime said:

Coming soon on Channel 9, the 20 year old case of the murder of Jonbenét Ramsey will be solved over a 3 night miniseries/doco The Case of Jonbenét Ramsey. 

 

I bet it was the father. 

Hey Sime, Did you watch any of these yet?

 

I watched one a few days ago called "The Killing of JonBenet-The Truth Uncovered" and tonight I watched parts 1 and 2 of The Discovery Investigation Channels  "JonBenet - An American Murder Mystery" (3rd part airs in US tomorrow I think). There is also another 3 part series airing next week made by another group (CBS?)

 

So far two VERY different takes on the same crime. So far the Discovery Investigation one appears more thorough

[Guest Sime]

@jamiebosco the one I mentioned starts on Monday. Looking forward to it. 

[jamiebosco]

Yeah I'll definitely be checking that one out too

[Guest Sime]

Love crime shows. 

[Guest Sime]

Hmm, never thought of a jealous brother. 

[Guest jakeyb77]

11 hours ago, Sime said:

Hmm, never thought of a jealous brother. 

 

 

I was looking forward to it but got a little bored last night. 

I haven't followed the case too deep but thought the Father must have written the letter.  In any case whoever wrote it wasn't the brother.  So did the brother make a mistake and the family covered it up? What did yo make of it Sime?

[jamiebosco]

The mothers handwriting most closely matched the letter from what I've seen

 

Haven't watched this doco yet, will wait till they are all aired

[Guest Sime]

@Jakeyb77 yes, parents covering up for the kid. 

[Kaynin]

It's a very plausible scenario, TBO. 

 

The ransom note was clearly staged.  Voices on the 000 call contradict the parents version of events.  The parents avoiding Police interview for a significant period of time.  The injuries to the deceased and possible weapon...all plausible for the parents covering for their son - and I'm very critical of these types of shows.  There was a little TV fluff, but overall I found it interesting, will certainly watch the second ep tonight.

 

I recall when this murder happened, but have never known the details.  I recall that the parents were always in the gun for it.  I'd like to see handwriting comparisons from both parents vs the ransom note.  You'd never get a match strong enough along the lines of "that note was written by that person", but more so "highly likely" - which would be enough for me...

Edited September 20, 2016 by Kaynin

[unclemack]

So has anyone been arrested?

[Guest Sime]

@Kaynin I agree with you that the format of the show was a bit glamed up, but they did IMO, prove the only real scenario. 

 

But the problem with these kind of investigations, especially the ones that are purposely covered up, being for political reasons in this case, getting to the truth is even harder now, being that if anyone from the past involved decides to come clean, they risk themselves getting into trouble. It's like the JFK assassination, the people who are responsible for solving the crime, are probably the ones who committed it. 

 

I just wish the brother, given that he can't actually be punished for it anyway, would just for his sake, and for the world full of enquiring minds, would come clean about it, but then again, I don't think the lad is right in the head……………… 

 

good show, and should be more of them. 

[jamiebosco]

1 hour ago, Sime said:

 

I just wish the brother, given that he can't actually be punished for it anyway, would just for his sake, and for the world full of enquiring minds, would come clean about it, but then again, I don't think the lad is right in the head……………… 

 

 

The other 3 Part special by Discovery Investigation Channel called "JonBenét An American Murder Mystery" clearly aims more at the Mother being the possible killer ( accidental killing from Patsy striking JonBenet due to persistent bed wetting) and that John assisted in covering up the crime.

 

Did this one talk about the undigested Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach? Or Bill McReynolds? Or Michael Helgoth?

[Guest Sime]

@jamiebosco yeah they did speak of the pineapple, but I don't remember the other two names. 

 

The Mother sure, but one thin is for sure, someone in that house did it.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Sime

[Kaynin]

9 hours ago, Sime said:

 

But the problem with these kind of investigations, especially the ones that are purposely covered up, being for political reasons in this case, getting to the truth is even harder now, being that if anyone from the past involved decides to come clean, they risk themselves getting into trouble.

 

I just wish the brother, given that he can't actually be punished for it anyway,

 

Yep, cold cases are much harder to prove, and now that 20 years have passed the quality of eye witness evidence deteriorates...we're usually just left with theories.  Two people can still solve this case, the brother and the father.  If the scenario of the brother being the killer is true, then I'd imagine at the very least he'd wait for his father to die before any real chance of a confession.  Although the brother can't be charged due to his age, the father still can be for his part in the cover-up.  Obviously the chances of either party coming clean after so long are slim, so unfortunately I doubt the victim will get the closure she deserves...

Edited September 20, 2016 by Kaynin

[Kaynin]

I haven't watched the second episode just yet but will over the next day or two.  In the news today, this was the bit that I was interested in  -

 

“The Sharpie pen we located, that ink matched the ransom note, which bore handwriting characteristics some experts said were remarkably similar to Patsy’s."

 

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/why-jonbenet-case-wasnt-solved-20-years-ago/news-story/069f26ece61772eacb0ef8caa22c76d2

 

I don't recall if this was mentioned in the first episode, but I do remember they said is was likely a female wrote the note.  As I mentioned in a previous post, with handwriting analysis you'll never get better than "remarkably similar".  Given the additional facts, that's enough for me to believe that the mother wrote the note.  If the investigation followed it's natural course of justice, the mother and father should have been arrested and interrogated when the handwriting analysis was completed - which could have been done very early in the investigation.  It - could - have blown the case open.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Kaynin