Some of us may enjoy a ciggie or three over food (er, actually not for a long time, being generally aware of others dislike), wine and coffee.

I have done so for too many years, even in the absence of these fine and noble pursuits.

I have tried to give up on a number of occasions, but I cannot.  After three days I am just still hanging out and am very cranky.  Because nicotine is my friend.  I have a script from my Dr for a 12 week plan to switch off the receptors, but it sits in my drawer.

Never tried nicobate - it has it's place, I know.

So, I did some research after speaking with some others who puffed on ugly looking e-cigs.

All they do is provide a nicotine hit.  Not only do they not smell like an ashtray, but the makers make them whiff of any number of pleasant aromas - if there is any whiff at all.  One I must try is whiskey.

They are very happy.  Early models sucked.  New models control watts and volts (keep as low as possible, as high settings do create carcinogens).

Well known is that ciggies have about 4000 chemicals, and over 70 are carcinogenic.  E-cigs have none of them.

The technology is new-ish and evolving.  There is just one study which got unfair press, even according to the authors, demonstrating that using too high volts may be bad for you. Like eating burnt toast.  Low volts (3.3?) have zero bad thingys.

Otherwise, while nicotine is not healthy, neither are a lot of foods or wine or caffeine.

They were recently banned in WA.  Some stupid court case.

I am a bit surprised Victoria wasn't first, being the nanny socialist/Green state.  I suspect govts may love the tax largesse of ciggies.  But that is for another thread.

Cannot get nicotine e liquid in Oz, must google and get it from overseas where it is abundant and very cheap.  Not on eBay Oz - they are all zero nicotine.

Other than being a recent convert to this technology, I have no vested interest.

Just sayin' and wondering if anyone else using this technology can *breathe*, smell and taste again.  And maybe have better relationships and so on.

Edit - and on my rough financial calculations I don't spend maybe $4,000 a year, most of which is tax.  Your favourite audiophile vendor may view you favourably. 

Edit2 - One of the most awful albums I actually bought at full price, this is a cringe-worthy 80's clip of Robert Plant repeating over and over that he can *breathe again*.  He said in interview at the time that he gave up smokes when he was doing this album for his voice, which I can understand as the whole thing sucks.  No redeeming features.

None.  He ought to have stuck to the ciggies and kept his head screwed on.  Only watch it if you feel nostalgic.

 

Edited May 12, 201510 yr by Lloyd

I tried some cheapo E-cig from the corner store once.

Not only was it about twice as thick as a normal *** but weighed a lot too.

Was like sucking on a fat Biro :lol:

And it was disgusting.

I'm sure the more "refined" ones are "better".....maybe....

:mellow:

Some of us may enjoy a ciggie or three over food (er, actually not for a long time, being generally aware of others dislike), wine and coffee.

I have done so for too many years, even in the absence of these fine and noble pursuits.

I have tried to give up on a number of occasions, but I cannot.  After three days I am just still hanging out and am very cranky.  Because nicotine is my friend.  I have a script from my Dr for a 12 week plan to switch off the receptors, but it sits in my drawer.

Diddums. Be a man and give up the poisonous stuff. You're educated and allegedly intelligent. Tobacco products kill. It is the most deadly drug in our society today. We've known, since 1964, that tobacco products are deadly to humans. Any person who took up the habit after that year is an idiot. I do not pity such people for inflicting such harm onto themselves.

Just give it up.

Never tried nicobate - it has it's place, I know.

So, I did some research after speaking with some others who puffed on ugly looking e-cigs.

All they do is provide a nicotine hit.  Not only do they not smell like an ashtray, but the makers make them whiff of any number of pleasant aromas - if there is any whiff at all.  One I must try is whiskey.

They are very happy.  Early models sucked.  New models control watts and volts (keep as low as possible, as high settings do create carcinogens).

Well known is that ciggies have about 4000 chemicals, and over 70 are carcinogenic.  E-cigs have none of them.

Perhaps you need to be reminded of the fact that nicotine is a deadly poison (LD50 - 1.0mg/kg). It's major use being that of an highly effective insecticide. Make no mistake: The nicotine in e-cigs is just as deadly. Nicotine constricts blood vessels and leads to cardio-vascular problems. E-cigs are LESS harmful than cigs, but they are still harmful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

Wrong thread ....

Edited May 13, 201510 yr by Hensa

I WAS a smoker for 40+ years.  Spent many, many thousands on the horrible things.

 

Found it very easy to give up, did it 100's of times.

 

The only way you will be able to give up the dreaded fags is that YOU, and only YOU "MUST" want to give them up.

 

Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known.

 

There are many different nicotine replacement HELPERS on the market.  Mine was the chewing gum, once they improved the flavour, and used it according to instructions.

 

I gave up coffee and alcohol (not a bad thing) for a while as they were, for me, triggers.

 

At first, the cravings would last 5 to 10 minutes, hence the chewing gum, and it did help relieve my cravings.

 

I still get occasional cravings every now and then, but now they only last a few seconds.

 

Find what works for you.  Everybody is different.

 

It's not easy, but well worth it.  Taste, smell, general health, friends, bank balance and lots of other things return.

 

Think new speakers, amplifiers, cars, holidays, sex life etc.

 

The most embarrassing thing is when your sense of smell returns you begin to realise how offensive the smell of cigarette smoke can be.

 

I believe I'm like an alcoholic, one smoke and I would be back on them, but again, everybody is different.

 

Go for it, when YOU are ready, GOOD LUCK and keep trying.  It's worth it.

The most embarrassing thing is when your sense of smell returns you begin to realise how offensive the smell of cigarette smoke can be.

So true. Smokers seem to forget this fact. Non-smokers are (usually) utterly appalled by the stench. Even outdoors. E-cigs still put nicotine into the atmosphere where us normals have to inhale it. I hope they ban the damned things.

I hope they ban the damned things.

 

 

Absolutely. Just another poison dispenser. Their production and sale is criminal.

Nicotine is addictive. ecigs and owned and distributed by cigarette manufacturers. They are marketed and sold to children, with the aim of making smoking seem "glamorous" again. Hooking a new generation of users.

It is not only being used as an alternative to cigarettes but to lure people in.

 

The contents of the liquids are variable, some may not be safe. We don't know if inhaling a chemical vapour will be safe either.

 

Just sayin 

Gotta love this place - threads on e-cigs, guns, politics - but we can't have pictures of Salma :-)

I tried some cheapo E-cig from the corner store once.

Not only was it about twice as thick as a normal *** but weighed a lot too.

Was like sucking on a fat Biro :lol:

And it was disgusting.

I'm sure the more "refined" ones are "better".....maybe....

:mellow:

@@Dirty_vinylpusher - Yes.  As I said, apparently the early models sucked - thankyou for confirming this.  You are not alone in your punishing assessment.

Bit like comparing Windows 95 to Windows 7.  Improvements still to be made, of course, in Win 10 and beyond.

 

:lol:

f.a.g got censored

As did replacing the a with @ or 4

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I should add the one I tried was a non refillable one.

Looked like a cigarette with a glowing LED tip.

The "smoke" was a liquid in a bit of cotton wool.

I've seen the more fancy ones where you refill them yourself, and they have a mouthpiece etc.

Also heard stories of people putting other....."stuff" in them

:ph34r:

I should add the one I tried was a non refillable one.

Looked like a cigarette with a glowing LED tip.

The "smoke" was a liquid in a bit of cotton wool.

I've seen the more fancy ones where you refill them yourself, and they have a mouthpiece etc.

Also heard stories of people putting other....."stuff" in them

:ph34r:

 

The manufacturers (and really, there are only two or three but often sold under different names) make it quite clear to not mix drugs in with the e liquid.

I am reluctant to comment on the practices of illicit drug users, but I know that they can be creative.

 

I care to not comment on some of the blatant misinformation/untruths provided on this thread.

Edited May 13, 201510 yr by Lloyd

I am reluctant to comment on the practices of illicit drug users, but I know that they can be creative.

Have tried some that were procured by those in the know.

It was a mindblowing experience.

Allegedly.

Hmm...interesting thread!

 

Need to finish it after a..

 

 

smoke.

 

BBS

@@Lloyd

 

I noticed that "12 week plan to switch off the receptors" and if that is the receptor blocker drug that was made as an anti depressant originally (can't recall the name) be cautious. Many folk have allergic reactions to it, I got as far as the second dose (day 2) and had to stop, inexplicably angry at a rage level for no reason, and blistering of lips and tongue   
 

Seems to work for some though.

That is probably Champix (varenicline) your talking about. It worked for me and my wife (I had every side effect on the packet bar seizures, my wife had none). It was totally worth it though, I stopped and have had one cig in the last 7 years and that was when my grandmother died. It was horrible.

Cigarettes where the longest relationship I've had - what a sorry tale.

That is probably Champix (varenicline) your talking about. It worked for me and my wife (I had every side effect on the packet bar seizures, my wife had none). It was totally worth it though, I stopped and have had one cig in the last 7 years and that was when my grandmother died. It was horrible.

Cigarettes where the longest relationship I've had - what a sorry tale.

That's the one!

 

Glad it worked for you guys, although i could not go further as side effects and allergic reactions are two different things...as you no doubt know. Seems like a large number of people are allergic to Champix according to one Chemist I spoke to. Mind you... the list of side effects is pretty numerous, so you definitely did it tough.

@@astr0b0y The script is indeed for Champix.  I asked my Dr about side effects when we were talking about it and and he said that some may experience some weird dreams.

 

I said that is nothing compared to my real life experiences on SNA.

He said - that is real life?  Get a life.

The only thing that I am allergic to is bananas.  I throw up - even if just mixed in with a fruit desert thing.

Edit - it took a couple of guesses to get astro's name right

Edited May 13, 201510 yr by Lloyd

The script is indeed for Champix.  I asked my Dr about side effects when we were talking about it and and he said that some may experience some weird dreams.

 

I said that is nothing compared to my real life experiences on SNA.

He said - that is real life?  Get a life.

A doctor? he calls himself a doctor.......Read the insert that comes with it, it will be more informative.t.

 

Odd dream states (vivid) are common to quitting.

At the time it felt like I was being really strong and committing to the quitting. However on reflection its really an obvious choice for the most part - a few months of extreme nausea on Melbourne trams in every morning (never hurled though!) plus irregular occurrences of mood swings vs continuing to smoke and increase the chance of death via a variety of painful ailments.

Such a pity you have an allergic reaction, its really quite rare. 

At the time it felt like I was being really strong and committing to the quitting. However on reflection its really an obvious choice for the most part - a few months of extreme nausea on Melbourne trams in every morning (never hurled though!) plus irregular occurrences of mood swings vs continuing to smoke and increase the chance of death via a variety of painful ailments.

Such a pity you have an allergic reaction, its really quite rare. 

I was told it wasn't all that rare, not at all rare in fact

 

Either way I can't, the level of anger was insane and I felt like I could kill for no reason....weird! for a very non violent person like I am...... This was only day 2. That's unless my tongue kept blistering to the point I suffocated on it first :lol:

 

I'll kick them soon enough, It's only a matter of doing it....I have quite other things where many haven't been able to. It's not hard to do, but is easy not to do, and the only thing standing in the way in doing it is myself.

 

Typo

Edited May 13, 201510 yr by ortofun

I found the article that I read nearly a year ago, and which prompted my initial interest in this subject.

Amongst other things like referring to the brain-dead WA litigation I mentioned, it also addresses the patronising attitude and double standards of puritan people who enjoy pointing their finger and using the word "you".

 

http://www.afr.com/opinion/our-writers/ecigarettes-at-mercy-of-bureaucrats-who-ban-by-default-20140724-j4lhl
 

Edited May 13, 201510 yr by Lloyd

I found the article that I read nearly a year ago, and which prompted my initial interest in this subject.

Amongst other things like referring to the brain-dead WA litigation I mentioned, it also addresses the patronising attitude and double standards of puritan people who enjoy pointing their finger and using the word "you".

 

http://www.afr.com/opinion/our-writers/ecigarettes-at-mercy-of-bureaucrats-who-ban-by-default-20140724-j4lhl

 

Thanks for the link.

 

I'm a long time non-fan of the TGA, they have self interests and have had for a long time.

I found the article that I read nearly a year ago, and which prompted my initial interest in this subject.

Amongst other things like referring to the brain-dead WA litigation I mentioned, it also addresses the patronising attitude and double standards of puritan people who enjoy pointing their finger and using the word "you".

 

http://www.afr.com/opinion/our-writers/ecigarettes-at-mercy-of-bureaucrats-who-ban-by-default-20140724-j4lhl

Obviously written by an addict.

The way to kick an addiction is to stop using the drug. Nicotine is the drug (and a deadly poison). Nicotine is the problem. It is also the method by which the drug pushers extract money from people to line the pockets of their shareholders. Substituting one drug delivery system for a different drug delivery system is not all that helpful.

The major part of the problem is that the normals don't like being assaulted with nicotine fumes. Normals don't mind if nicotine addicts use their product in their own environment. It's when they stray into the normals' environment that problems begin. Normals have the right to breathe clean, unadulterated air at all times.