josho1624705892 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 You may choose to like what you are seeing. That does not means the rest have the same thoughts. I am only here to say my thoughts. Choose to accept or not, it is individual.
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 2:50 AM, lamechops said: Again, my question being put to you is if you were him, what would you have done? Something that you have spent your entire life building, who will you hand over to? Do you hand over to the one you trusted most whom you believe has the capability? I do concur that such a herculean task of building a nation is definitely no one-man show. It's impossible to accomplish that and furthermore with good results. If the media indeed was being manipulated, I don't think most of us, including you, will know there are other capable people like those you mentioned working in tandem with LKY. The speak mandarin campaign has destroyed the bond among Chinese ( Malay have brotherhood we have dog eat dog) so that we dun vote for the oppo. Your children have also forsaken their mother. So will your grandchildren and great grandchildren. You have a big problem at hand and you are still free to argue who we should respect? I would be busy asking my children to start digging their roots and brush up their mother tongue before all is lost to the PRC. Bro I really salute you.
GyaLabs Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 3:23 AM, Knight_Rider said: The speak mandarin campaign has destroyed the bond among Chinese ( Malay have brotherhood we have dog eat dog) so that we dun vote for the oppo. Your children have also forsaken their mother. So will your grandchildren and great grandchildren. You have a big problem at hand and you are still free to argue who we should respect? I would be busy asking my children to start digging their roots and brush up their mother tongue before all is lost to the PRC. Bro I really salute you. So what's your thoughts on the people from China? Brotherhood or the latter? Other ethnic groups still wear their traditional clothes. I agree local Chinese don't, but do you see people from China wearing cheongsam? I can understand if the policies introduced/implemented will have some impact, but it will be unfair to say they are the culprit of it. I don't think children forsaking parents are only happening in Singapore. It's a global issue that you can witness in other countries as well
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 So where is the Beauty part that some of you are saying? I have yet to see examples given. Say everybody also know how to to say. Now let see some bricks and mortar.
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 3:43 AM, lamechops said: So what's your thoughts on the people from China? Brotherhood or the latter? Other ethnic groups still wear their traditional clothes. I agree local Chinese don't, but do you see people from China wearing cheongsam? I can understand if the policies introduced/implemented will have some impact, but it will be unfair to say they are the culprit of it. I don't think children forsaking parents are only happening in Singapore. It's a global issue that you can witness in other countries as well Your children dun even know their mother tongue how can they know their mother? China anyhow pang sai anyhow drive SBS bus anyhow snatch husband anyhow copy Suzhou plan and fark your CPF I think you are not blind or need to stay there. No no no what has cheongsam got to do with brotherhood. I think you are 1 confused dude like that econ guy. I am saying the bonding among the same dialect. Malay have abang adek what have you? Bro? Dun make me laugh. You dun see the minorities argue until they wan to kill each other do you? But I see that in you if you ask my opinion. See the difference?
Hass Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 3:45 AM, Knight_Rider said: So where is the Beauty part that some of you are saying? I have yet to see examples given. Say everybody also know how to to say. Now let see some bricks and mortar. bro, I have many negative points and I feel most of the positive things we are enjoying could also been replicated if someone else was in power. However, here are some things that i feel we may not have as good if he was not in power : - green city - English as the offical language - clean city - low crime rate - relative ease of attaining high level of education - opportunities for many who study & work hard the path out of poverty/low income (to reach the top, u still the usual connections, luck etc)
GyaLabs Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 3:45 AM, Knight_Rider said: So where is the Beauty part that some of you are saying? I have yet to see examples given. Say everybody also know how to to say. Now let see some bricks and mortar. To enumerate a few, a developed country with better living conditions. A secured place to live in and least corrupt government. More educated citizens etc. Of course, you can argue about the exorbitant salaries, ERP/COE, high cost of living all that which I don't wish to delve into and its not my position to talk about either. What I'm trying to say is there is a price to pay for everything in life. You cant possibly have the best of both worlds and have the cake and eat it. Its either you gain some, and lose some. Magnitude of gain/loss, worthy a price to pay is up to individuals. Likewise for liking LKY, you cannot please all with whatever decisions you make. There will be people who bound to like you and others who hate you. And I'm not stopping you to dislike him for I know you have your own reasons for doing so. It's your free will to like or hate. The least thing to do is to give a little respect for the dead. Afterall, the undeniable fact is he did make some contributions to what Singapore is today, and you happen to be living in Singapore.
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 4:03 AM, Hass said: bro, I have many negative points and I feel most of the positive things we are enjoying could also been replicated if someone else was in power. However, here are some things that i feel we may not have as good if he was not in power : - green city - English as the offical language - clean city - low crime rate - relative ease of attaining high level of education - opportunities for many who study & work hard the path out of poverty/low income (to reach the top, u still the usual connections, luck etc) I am trying hard to squeeze my daughter into NUS. Go to the canteen left right centre all Chinarian. :(
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 4:10 AM, lamechops said: To enumerate a few, a developed country with better living conditions. A secured place to live in and least corrupt government. More educated citizens etc. Of course, you can argue about the exorbitant salaries, ERP/COE, high cost of living all that which I don't wish to delve into and its not my position to talk about either. What I'm trying to say is there is a price to pay for everything in life. You cant possibly have the best of both worlds and have the cake and eat it. Its either you gain some, and lose some. Magnitude of gain/loss, worthy a price to pay is up to individuals. Likewise for liking LKY, you cannot please all with whatever decisions you make. There will be people who bound to like you and others who hate you. And I'm not stopping you to dislike him for I know you have your own reasons for doing so. It's your free will to like or hate. The least thing to do is to give a little respect for the dead. Afterall, the undeniable fact is he did make some contributions to what Singapore is today, and you happen to be living in Singapore. Very good.
GyaLabs Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Quote No no no what has cheongsam got to do with brotherhood. I think you are 1 confused dude like that econ guy. I am saying the bonding among the same dialect. Malay have abang adek what have you? Bro? Dun make me laugh. You dun see the minorities argue until they wan to kill each other do you? But I see that in you if you ask my opinion. See the difference? Sorry, I just saw this that you added in. By mentioning traditional clothing, I'm trying to say about the culture loss. Chinese have lost much of their culture, but not so much in other ethnic groups. And with culture, then you have identity whereby people acknowledge each other as the same group.
darkeststar Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 2:50 AM, lamechops said: Again, my question being put to you is if you were him, what would you have done? Something that you have spent your entire life building, who will you hand over to? Do you hand over to the one you trusted most whom you believe has the capability? I do concur that such a herculean task of building a nation is definitely no one-man show. It's impossible to accomplish that and furthermore with good results. If the media indeed was being manipulated, I don't think most of us, including you, will know there are other capable people like those you mentioned working in tandem with LKY. Well, if we are indeed still following the westminster parliamentary system, then it's up to the the rest to choose a successor. As a leader, you put in place a system and get the most capable people you can find. Once you step out of public offfice, then it's up to the rest to step up their game and run the show. If LKY walked away after handing it over to GCT and not take up all the BS MM & SM title and run the show behind the curtains, i would have more respect for him
Chowbotak Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I cannot respect anyone who put innocent ppl behind bars for 10, 20, 30 years. I cannot respect anyone who bankrupted oppositions.I cannot respect anyone who persecute political opponents, to the extent that they have to flee the country and lived the rest of their lives without their loved ones. I am surprised some can. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jcdvoPMgG1k There are many many more.
YANG Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 2:50 AM, lamechops said: Again, my question being put to you is if you were him, what would you have done? Something that you have spent your entire life building, who will you hand over to? Do you hand over to the one you trusted most whom you believe has the capability? I do concur that such a herculean task of building a nation is definitely no one-man show. It's impossible to accomplish that and furthermore with good results. If the media indeed was being manipulated, I don't think most of us, including you, will know there are other capable people like those you mentioned working in tandem with LKY. At least now you see some other pioneers' name is mentioned, but whether you recognize their effort or not... I couldn't stop you from denying or encourage you to think they have a part in nation building. Everyone have their individual believe and faith. I just don't believe in consistent brain washing through advertising, story telling, and influence into believing there's only one God/Founding father who build this nation. Back to what you asked... what will I do if I was in his shoes then? I will not pass my baton to my kid if I know he is not a tough guy, or even a humchee should he is to be called for national service. I'm not saying that LHL didn't served. But how?? As a white horse? As a crown prince? Or as a commoner who chiong suah together with common folks? When LHL was called into National Service, he didn't went in like any other sons of SG. He went in like an elite. An elite who now only know how to make thing beneficial to his party, to his organization, as well as his family. Compare to old Harry in the past, what he seriously lack is the concern to the people. How much they earn, how secure their jobs and future holds, as well as how they can afford to have a home. On the last thing home... is not just a property made of brick and motar, but a healthy home with a healthy family with younger generations to come... all without any debts and unhealthy stresses. When old Harry pulled his son into politics, a road to be the star in SG politics had paved for LHL. And in whose decision was LHL's wife to be placed in the most prominent organization that have straight contact/touch to our CPFs? All these strategic placements, inclusive of those old PAP "gang members" who are related to old Harry(though not in blood ties), clearly shows that the ruling Government aka the "royal family" was running this country like a corporation rather than a country!
GyaLabs Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 4:36 AM, chewed said: Well, if we are indeed still following the westminster parliamentary system, then it's up to the the rest to choose a successor. As a leader, you put in place a system and get the most capable people you can find. Once you step out of public offfice, then it's up to the rest to step up their game and run the show. If LKY walked away after handing it over to GCT and not take up all the BS MM & SM title and run the show behind the curtains, i would have more respect for him I'm with you on this. After all, Singapore is a country that is based on merits and not relationships. I'm not trying to defend him, but just trying to put myself in his shoes and think. He spent whole lifetime to build this nation up and finally he has achieved this. No way will he want it to falter and reverting to dust and all his efforts/sacrifices being wasted. So he would want to hand over to people that he trusts most so that Singapore can survive. And on paper, LHL does look capable enough with all his academic achievements (which this is based on merits). But in practical, whether LHL will succeed, only God knows, not even LKY himself. So you may be right to blame him for appointing the wrong successor, but you cant dismiss the earlier contributions he makes? And again, if LKY's son is an imbecile person and yet LKY still chooses him, then I will bash him together with you.
EC100 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s passing marks the end of en era: Low Thia Khiang http://www.todayonline.com/rememberinglky/mr-lee-kuan-yews-passing-marks-end-era-low-thia-khiang Published: 10:04 AM, March 23, 2015 Updated: 4:00 AM, March 24, 2015 Quote SINGAPORE — Setting aside their political differences, opposition parties today (March 23) offered their condolences to Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong over the passing of former Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew. In a condolence letter sent to Mr Lee Hsien Loong, Workers’ Party chief Low Thia Khiang noted the late Mr Lee’s achievements, leading a group of like-minded individuals through Singapore’s tumultuous early years of nationhood, including a difficult merger with Malaysia and subsequent independence in 1965. “Mr Lee served in public office for almost his entire adult life. His passing marks an end of an era in Singapore’s history. His contributions to Singapore will be remembered for generations to come,” Mr Low wrote. Singapore Democratic Party Secretary-General Chee Soon Juan said in statement on the party’s Facebook page: “On behalf of the members of the Singapore Democratic Party, I send you and your loved ones my deepest condolences on the demise of your father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew. In this time of personal grief, our thoughts are with you.” Non-Constituency Member of Parliament Lina Chiam of the Singapore People’s Party wrote on its Facebook page: “I ask God to give the family strength and comfort during this period of uncertainty. May He also give comfort to Mr Lee Kuan Yew.” The National Solidarity Party said it lamented the passing of Mr Lee, “who had contributed significantly to the growth and development of our country”. “The party extends its deepest condolences to PM Lee Hsien Loong and his family,” NSP said on its Facebook page. The Democratic Progressive Party of Singapore issued a statement saying it was deeply saddened by Mr Lee’s demise. “We are indebted to him as a nation, and owe our present and our future to what he has wrought to make Singapore an independent nation,” the party said. “All great leaders are ultimately human, and much can be said, both good and bad, about the man. But at this time of national mourning, let’s remember and celebrate the good he has done for us as Singaporeans, and give him the credit that is due.” Mr Kenneth Jeyaretnam, secretary-general of the Reform Party — founded by his father the late JB Jeyaretnam — said in a Facebook post: “As Singapore’s first post-independence Prime Minister, Lee Kuan Yew was part of our shared history. With his death, it is natural that Singaporeans will feel that a part of Singapore has died with him. RIP. My thoughts are with his family.”
darkeststar Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 4:48 AM, lamechops said: I'm with you on this. After all, Singapore is a country that is based on merits and not relationships. I'm not trying to defend him, but just trying to put myself in his shoes and think. He spent whole lifetime to build this nation up and finally he has achieved this. No way will he want it to falter and reverting to dust and all his efforts/sacrifices being wasted. So he would want to hand over to people that he trusts most so that Singapore can survive. And on paper, LHL does look capable enough with all his academic achievements (which this is based on merits). But in practical, whether LHL will succeed, only God knows, not even LKY himself. So you may be right to blame him for appointing the wrong successor, but you cant dismiss the earlier contributions he makes? And again, if LKY's son is an imbecile person and yet LKY still chooses him, then I will bash him together with you. er, LHL has already proved to be not even half the man his father is. Imbecile enough for you..??
YANG Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 5:24 AM, chewed said: Quote ...And again, if LKY's son is an imbecile person and yet LKY still chooses him, then I will bash him together with you. er, LHL has already proved to be not even half the man his father is. Imbecile enough for you..?? Hopefully LameChops had not been sleeping while he is in SG... or... had he been living in other countries? LC... take a closer look at what happening around you now, and compare that to the past where you were in... 80s? What do you see? Don't put your sight on the objects, but what hidden under the skin.
GyaLabs Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 5:24 AM, chewed said: er, LHL has already proved to be not even half the man his father is. Imbecile enough for you..?? I meant at the point of appointment if LHL has no academic qualifications and yet LKY chooses him. From the outset, my intention of writing all these messages is just to implore you guys to respect the dead, someone who had made great contributions to Singapore. I won't go into politics. What I believe is any hatred you borne against, should die together with the person. For death is the end to one's life journey. Life will be happier this way.
YANG Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 5:35 AM, lamechops said: I meant at the point of appointment if LHL has no academic qualifications and yet LKY chooses him. From the outset, my intention of writing all these messages is just to implore you guys to respect the dead, someone who had made great contributions to Singapore. I won't go into politics. What I believe is any hatred you borne against, should die together with the person. For death is the end to one's life journey. Life will be happier this way. Unfortunately, old diigs life had been hovering around with politics and politickings. And more unfortunately, politics and politickings is about fighting and fixing... both in-country, and out-country. When he tarik his son into politics, it's another round of politics and politicking again... duh... this time round behind the screen. What he had acheived... yes, we should not forget that it will be very long lasting. Especially when his son is the one playing the game in the later days. Ask yourself... if you're a leaving employee of a company, will you leave shiits behind for another taking over employee to clear? Or would you look for someone else to continue your good job legacy?
Knight_Rider Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 4:10 AM, lamechops said: To enumerate a few, a developed country with better living conditions. A secured place to live in and least corrupt government. More educated citizens etc. Of course, you can argue about the exorbitant salaries, ERP/COE, high cost of living all that which I don't wish to delve into and its not my position to talk about either. Isn't that legalize corruption at it's best? And your children, your grand children and your great grandchildren have to work their bud off and pay through their nose to feed the lifestyle of the man that their ah gong is supporting. I rest my case.
Chowbotak Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Is this the passing of a Titan? The once powerful and invincible Lee Kuan Yew is finally gone, after suffering for 46 agonising days hooked to a mechanical ventilator in the Singapore General Hospital. The Chinese believe that how well a person dies reflects on his or her kindness or cruelty in his or her life. Is this the passing of a Titan? This will depend on which side of the political spectrum one stands. PAP diehards and mesmerized aficionados will of course hail him as a great man who has brought Singapore from a third-world backwater to its first-world status today. Is that an honest assessment? In actual fact Lee Kuan Yew merely provided the figurehead leadership and without the indispensable expertise and monumental efforts of PAP pioneers like Dr. Goh Keng Swee, Mr. S. Rajaratnam, Mr. Hon Sui Sen and of course the eminent UN Economic Advisor Albert Winsemius, the much vaunted Lee Kuan Yew would have been reduced to a non-entity. These economic and political Goliath, especially Albert Winsemius, helped build Singapore to what it is today. This has been the narrative among discerning Singaporeans. When he was prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew had been known to be frequently hobnobbing with world leaders and with his oratorical skills had no trouble getting these world leaders to eat out of his hand. That they held Lee Kuan Yew in very high respect was never in doubt, quite oblivious to his severe character flaws. So we can now expect the outpouring of emotions from these world leaders to mourn Lee’s passing. Such display of hypocrisy is not uncommon. Is there any character flaw in the late Lee Kuan Yew? Some of his unfortunate political opponents are no longer alive to answer that. Some of them suffered immensely, whether real or imaginary depending on which side you are on, at the hand of the humanitarian Lee Kuan Yew but strangely bore no ill-will against him. The late Dr. Lim Hock Siew’s son was five months old when he was unceremoniously detained under Operation Coldstore on 2 February, 1963 and entered university when his father was humanely released after 19 years in detention. Chia Thye Poh held the honour of 32 years in detention, even longer than the famous South African leader Nelson Mandela. If, in a moment of compassion, we think that Lee Kuan Yew had suffered enough in his illness, perhaps we could allow his tortured soul to rest in peace. We could show some magnanimity even if this was not one of his traits in his lifetime. Lee Kuan Yew had said this in a moment of bravado: “When the coffin is closed, the verdict will be known (蓋棺論定）.” So historians, whether authentic or pseudo, will soon scramble to fulfill his wish by giving a verdict of how he had contributed to Singapore’s society and the world, including his severe character flaws, if they strictly abide by the code of their profession. It will not be remiss here to give a little conscientious advice to the enlightened PM Lee Hsien Loong. Would you be humane enough to redeem a little bit of your late father’s handiwork by relaxing the inordinate persecution of Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong by allowing them safe return to Singapore to lead a normal life? By no stretch of imagination can they be described as major security threat. There is a Chinese saying that if you want to impose a criminal charge on a person there is no dearth of a reason (欲加之罪，何患無詞）. There is no dissenting view that the late Lee Kuan Yew be accorded a State Funeral, which is befitting his status. However, the conundrum of denying a State Funeral to the late President Ong Teng Cheong has never been satisfactorily explained. The late Mr Ong Teng Cheong is popularly known as the People’s President. Lastly, we offer you PM Lee Hsien Loong our heartfelt condolences on the loss of your loving father, the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew. Yoong Siew Wah * Mr Yoong Siew Wah was the Director of Singapore’s Internal Security Department (ISD) from 1971 to 1974. Before his stint with ISD, he was the director of the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau (CPIB). The SPH book “Men in White”, alleged in page 441 that Mr Yoong was asked to quit CPIB in 1971 after he was “suspected” of using his personal influence to assist his friend Mr Francis Seow, then the ex-Solicitor General of Singapore in a case. Mr Yoong rebuked the allegations as baseless on his blog. The Straits Times on 16-10-09 published a correction by the authors of the Men In White who apologised for not getting back to Mr Yoong to verify the report. Mr Yoong is now retired and blogs at http://singaporerecalcitrant.blogspot.com/
pschia Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Inside scoops on Familee... Somebody is very daring to post such an interesting article here: Wonder how long before he get invited to limkopi and forced to take down the post. Whether the accounts are true or not, those who are curious and interested better go read it before it's gone. ;)
darkeststar Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 On 24/03/2015 at 7:57 AM, pschia said: Inside scoops on Familee... Somebody is very daring to post such an interesting article here: Wonder how long before he get invited to limkopi and forced to take down the post. Whether the accounts are true or not, those who are curious and interested better go read it before it's gone. ;) That's a side of LKY that many of the older folks know about. My parents told me some of them but the FB article is very detailed
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