Ascension Audio (Adelaide Speakers) Owners & Discussion Thread

[Guest]

Question: would it be fair to say that an average consumer that was told the drivers used in the speakers where "danish" could expect that the drivers where made in Denmark?

[Richard Cranium]

he ya go - getting stuck into my pie as I type

Please submit a review when you can, positive or negative we can take it providing it is balanced and not just another wind up.

Good to see your taking the response well.

Got to say, that photo makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside though lol.

[Guest]

NGM I will do the hard yards and spend some time in front of them and also make an effort to try some of his others as well. I may well be the "mouth from the south" but Ill try my best to learn something.

I noted earlier someone mentioned the tweeters he used where Fountek and though perhaps they where made in Denmark - but from what i can find they also seem to be made in China. Have I missed something?

http://www.fountek.com.au/products/ss-kit/

[Guest]

I dont know about a review - I think I'd describe anything i would write as "thoughts" (of a kind) as most of you know I tend to dribble quite a bit when Im talking (despite this people get often me confused with someone who knows something)

Attention seeking behaviour is my specialty.

[Guest]

NGM Im going to have another slice just for you.

[avalon27]

andy you are the best promoter for adelaide speakers.thankyou so much

[Richard Cranium]

NGM I will do the hard yards and spend some time in front of them and also make an effort to try some of his others as well. I may well be the "mouth from the south" but Ill try my best to learn something.

I noted earlier someone mentioned the tweeters he used where Fountek and though perhaps they where made in Denmark - but from what i can find they also seem to be made in China. Have I missed something?

http://www.fountek.com.au/products/ss-kit/

Not sure if you've missed anything, yours being an earlier model may be Danish, perhaps later ones are Chinese, I don't know. A lot of quality brand audio gear is made in China now as you would well know, most Honda cars today are made in Thailand, Cambridge Audio is made in China so not sure what your point is, not another little stir is it?

[tb123]

Question: would it be fair to say that an average consumer that was told the drivers used in the speakers where "danish" could expect that the drivers where made in Denmark?

If you were buying a German car (Mercedes for example) would you expect it to be made in Germany (and not South Africa as many of them are). If you are buying an Australian speaker, would you expect that ALL the parts are designed and made in Australia?.

I guess as long as the design roots of the driver and company are Danish, then calling it a Danish driver is fair I would have thought

Milestones in Tymphany History

• 1926 Peerless founded in Denmark
  
• 1933 Vifa founded in Denmark
  
• 1987 Vifa receives the SAS Export Award
  
• 1994 Vifa non resonant suspension coupling (NRSC or Pentacone) patented
  
• 1995 Peerless 3 and 5 layer sandwich cone developed
  
• 1998 Peerless Nomex cone developed
  
• 1999 Vifa XT Tweeter patented, the first Tweeter to comply with Super Audio Standard
  
• 2000 Danish Sound Technology (DST) formed by merging Peerless and Vifa
  
• 2000 Manufacturing facility established in PanYu, China
  
• 2003 Manufacturing sites in Denmark and China ISO certified (ISO 9001:2000)
  
• 2003 DST receives Denmark's prestigious "Brsen Gazelle Award" for business growth
  
• 2007 DST merges with Premium Loudspeaker and gains full systems capabilities
  
• 2007 First products launched based on the revolutionary Tymphany LAT technology
  
• 2008 Tymphany opens a state-of-the-art ISO-certified manufacturing campus in XinXu, China.
  

[Guest]

the tip rat is going to eat the last piece of humble pie for tonight

love to you all

[Guest]

If you were buying a German car (Mercedes for example) would you expect it to be made in Germany (and not South Africa as many of them are). If you are buying an Australian speaker, would you expect that ALL the parts are designed and made in Australia?.

I guess as long as the design roots of the driver and company are Danish, then calling it a Danish driver is fair I would have thought

Milestones in Tymphany History

• 1926 Peerless founded in Denmark
  
• 1933 Vifa founded in Denmark
  
• 1987 Vifa receives the SAS Export Award
  
• 1994 Vifa non resonant suspension coupling (NRSC or Pentacone) patented
  
• 1995 Peerless 3 and 5 layer sandwich cone developed
  
• 1998 Peerless Nomex cone developed
  
• 1999 Vifa XT Tweeter patented, the first Tweeter to comply with Super Audio Standard
  
• 2000 Danish Sound Technology (DST) formed by merging Peerless and Vifa
  
• 2000 Manufacturing facility established in PanYu, China
  
• 2003 Manufacturing sites in Denmark and China ISO certified (ISO 9001:2000)
  
• 2003 DST receives Denmark's prestigious "Brsen Gazelle Award" for business growth
  
• 2007 DST merges with Premium Loudspeaker and gains full systems capabilities
  
• 2007 First products launched based on the revolutionary Tymphany LAT technology
  
• 2008 Tymphany opens a state-of-the-art ISO-certified manufacturing campus in XinXu, China.
  

Hmm I guess at the end of the day is not what we think but what call these guys might make.

What does the law say about country of origin?

Trade Practices Act provisions

The Act contains provisions of relevance to country of origin representations made by businesses.

Section 52 of the Act contains a general prohibition against conduct that misleads or deceives or is likely to mislead or deceive.

Section 53(a) provides a broad prohibition against making a false representation that goods, among other things, have a particular history.

Section 53(eb) prohibits businesses from making false or misleading representations concerning the place of origin of goods.

Section 55 prohibits a person from engaging in conduct that is liable to mislead the public as to the nature, manufacturing process, the characteristics, the suitability for their purpose or the quantity of any goods.

Sections 75AZC(1)(a), 75AZC(1)(i) and 75AZH, contained in Part VC of the Act, mirror ss. 53(a), 53(eb) and 55 respectively. There is no mirror provision of s. 52 in Part VC of the Act.

Breaches of ss. 52, 53(a), 53(eb) and 55 give rise to civil action. Breaches of ss. 75AZC(1)(a), 75AZC(1)(i) and 75AZH give rise to criminal sanctions.

Sections 53(a) and 75AZC(1)(a) are relevant because a representation as to the country of origin of goods is a representation as to the particular history of those goods.

Sections 55 and 75AZH are relevant because a representation about the country of origin may be a representation about the nature, manufacturing process or the characteristics of particular goods.

[Guest]

andy you are the best promoter for adelaide speakers.thankyou so much

Your welcome Yardley - hope I put a smile on your dial.

[Guest]

Not sure if you've missed anything, yours being an earlier model may be Danish, perhaps later ones are Chinese, I don't know. A lot of quality brand audio gear is made in China now as you would well know, most Honda cars today are made in Thailand, Cambridge Audio is made in China so not sure what your point is, not another little stir is it?

NGM I have no probelms with product made in China - good product is good product where ever it gets made - full stop.

I cant quote myself back but Ive made this point before in other threads - hell most of the stuff we have in our homes these days copme from China - Im guessing my TV was made in China, my DVD player - heaps of stuff.

Just asking what it is im listening too and looking at. No underhand objectives just spending the time as many of you have suggested I should.

[Guest]

Just checking do posts in this thread add to my post tally? Sheds told me I was never to spend too long posting in threads that did not add to my tally count if i wanted to grow up to be a real post *****.

[Guest]

Hey they do count - bonus points!

[avalon27]

with edwards speakers you can get so many different finishers. just go to bunnings and ask for a wattyl craftmanship chart with i think 12 different finishes. i have the jarrah finish which i like with my speakers.edward will finish your speaker in the finish you desire.

[Poita]

I'm not sure whether Vifa/Peerless are Danish I not, I simply stated what drivers he seemed to use quite a lot

But 9 times out of 10 people who buy from him customise so goodness knows what you have as he has quite a flexible range of drivers to choose from.

[Richard Cranium]

These Adelaide Speakers are impostors, Australian assembly, Chinese tweeters, American Oak veneer, what's next!

Edited June 29, 2009 by NGM

[Guest]

Are the cabinets Australian made these days or are they imported?

[Oosh]

Put the strawmen away and address the topic, or go crawl back under your bridge.

[Guest]

Put the strawmen away and address the topic, or go crawl back under your bridge.

Sorry Oosh but what have I asked that offends you? I am trying very hard to be polite, respect others views and learn more about these speakers which have been given high praise. I have been told to try them out. I am doing that.

If people are insistent I will post some thoughts on the sound of tte speakers after i have given them some reasonable listening time and hopefully in a fair situation.

Not sure why you are concerned about me asking genuine querys about the speakers in this thread on the speakers.

Is it not a fair query to ask where the cabinets and drivers are made. I understood the drivers where Danish but they are chinese - as others said so what?

Id be interested to know if the Cabinets are made in Australia or imported - thats not an unreasonable question to ask?

My apologies if you feel Im being "nasty" - these are very very genuine questions - I would like to know more about the speakers.

Hope that clarifies things for you oosh:)

[Guest]

My alienist said I was just imagining that everyone hated me - just before he left the room!

I get the feeling some of you dont want me in the team.

I am happy to seriously try out these speakers - really:rolleyes:

[Poita]

The cabinets are made locally in SA. In Gawler in fact. He had to outsource them as he couldn't keep up.

[Guest]

I like that Poita - always good to see SA product - so I take it they are not made by specialist woodcraft services afterall.

[Poita]

I like that Poita - always good to see SA product - so I take it they are not made by specialist woodcraft services afterall.

Who is that????

They are made by a professional cabinet maker of that's what you're wondering, not by some dodgy backyarder who thinks he knows which end of a hammer to use...

Edward simply finishes them in the colour you specify and fits it all together.

I think he may even assemble the cabinets (but not do all the cutting etcetc) but I can't remember. I do remember seeing some sides/fronts etc hanging up in his shed.

[Guest]

Cheers Poita