MouldyCrumpet Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 sorry it was late when i posted , i have edited it so it makes more sense
oztheatre Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 Hi Crumpet, The one thing is that the BenQ is excellent once they are calibrated - I have seem them set up in couple of stores in QLD. Contact some of the Home Theatre Specilaists in QLD as they have the holy grail settings - I think there was projectorscreens and also CAVX. Black levels? What do you mean? I saw more detail compared to another LCD 1080p projector What do you mean by noisey??? The noise issue has been misunderstood by most to date. If the projector is creating noise it would be visible in ALL scenes. It is not visible in all scenes therefore it cannot be the projector. Dont use brilliant colour for one, it's a silly setting to be honest. I watched National Treasure 2 the other day in SD and guess what? Not once ounce of noise. Walk Hard SD dvd, again NO noise whatsoever. (funny movie btw) Transformers HD DVD - noise visible only in some scenes where the cameras ISO settings have been turned up to reveal more shadow detail. In most of the scenes there is again, no noise. It's not noise, it's image grain that is already there on the film. What I like about the W5000 is it's ability to display what was actually filmed. When compared to machines like the Epson and Sanyo (which I also have here), yes there is the same noise in the same scenes but to a lesser degree because they are not as sharp as the BenQ. Not sure what's crumpet is seeing but the BenQ displays very very accurate colour. No burgandy on mine at all.... hope he's not using a cream wall again : ) It certainly does pay to calibrate. Mark made some major improvements on my W5000, it's a stunning machine once calibrated. A good read here http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pP...wardwinners.php HC6000 shot, note the blacks are a little crushed, there is not much detail to be seen; http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro...lint_darkLG.jpg Same shot from the W5000; note the increase in shadow detail; then again what are we meant to be seeing anyway? http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro...kroom_large.jpg http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro...astle_large.jpg and this below is why I love the W5000, the colours are just beautiful: http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro...astle_large.jpg http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro..._lake_large.jpg and again, why I think the W5000 has better colour over it's LCD competitors; http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro...ptain_large.jpg http://www.projectorreviews.com/images-pro..._captain_lg.jpg Either way, when you weigh up the pros and cons, I dont think you'd be dissapointed in either the TW2000 or the HC6000. The 6000 will upscale better, like the BenQ, the Epson uses Faroudja which was good 3 years ago but has been out-classed by the reon HQV chip. The epson has a better warranty, the mitsu uses the same lcd panels and from all accounts is sharper than the epson. It would be a tough call deciding between these 2 LCD machines but I would probably still go the Epson since it's cheaper and has a much better warranty... that has to be worth something. 3.5 years on machine and lamp is worth atleast...$700?? ... then again if you can get around placement issues consider the W5000, it's a corker of a machine. Read over projectorreviews info, he's very good at what he does and offers unbiased info. I may seem biased to the BenQ but I am just putting out there what I see (and what 19 out 20 people thru my showroom also see) Hope that helps a little.
MouldyCrumpet Posted June 29, 2008 Posted June 29, 2008 i agree entirely Richard, my comments were that i couldnt see any noise either, contrary to reviews i have read, the amount of detail the W5000 has compared to the hc6000 is startling, especially considering that the hc6000 would be the sharpest of the entire lcd bunch of 1080p projectors also colour wise i also agree im sure once we get ours calibrated all will be good but at the moment the colours are off for some reason, the w20000 we have also shares the same colour out of the box black level wise i was hoping fade to black would be better but the hc6000 with its dynamic iris still achieves a better fade to black. regardless i think we have a winner here and for the price its set to become the new best bang for your buck we will have the 5000 and the 20000 on disaplay hopefully in the next 2 weeks or so
pcardamone Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 I too am looking at the W5000 Vs The PLZ2000 Vs the TW2000... Does the HDMI 1.3a on the LCD's versus the 1.2 on the DLP make any difference? What about the auto lens cover on the Sanyo? Thanks
Guest EZYHD Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 What about the auto lens cover on the Sanyo?Thanks I like many other think this is an excellent feature!. The PJ's your looking at are similar, its in the eyes of the beholder!
oztheatre Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 I like many other think this is an excellent feature!.The PJ's your looking at are similar, its in the eyes of the beholder! There are some who claim it's a great feature because of 'the No1 killer against projectors' - dust. The lens cover only stops dust getting on the lens when you're not using it, it does not stop dust getting into the projectors internals. So yes it's a stupid claim, but at the same time a good idea for keeping dust off the LENS ONLY. Dust is a bigger problem for LCD because DLP projectors usually have sealed optics.. Here's how I see it. I have all 3 projectors in my showroom, and I've had them here for some time now. The LCD's appear flat when you compare the image to the W5000 which yields a more 3D image. The W5000 is sharper, has HQV processing whereas the epson and sanyo have faroudja. HDTV and SD DVDS looks better on the W5000, and of course blu ray looks sensational. The W5000 displays nicer colours and more shadow detail. They all run at 24 frames. The W5000 can used with a scope screen and lens, the other 2 cannot. The W5000 has a 1 year warranty, the others have 3 years The Epson will be around $400-$700 more, when you weigh up an extended warranty (for 5 years) they are similarly priced. At the end of the day, they are all good machines. I just feel the DLP has still got the goods in all areas.
Big Lunt Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 There are some who claim it's a great feature because of 'the No1 killer against projectors' - dust.The lens cover only stops dust getting on the lens when you're not using it, it does not stop dust getting into the projectors internals. So yes it's a stupid claim, but at the same time a good idea for keeping dust off the LENS ONLY. Dust is a bigger problem for LCD because DLP projectors usually have sealed optics.. Here's how I see it. I have all 3 projectors in my showroom, and I've had them here for some time now. The LCD's appear flat when you compare the image to the W5000 which yields a more 3D image. The W5000 is sharper, has HQV processing whereas the epson and sanyo have faroudja. HDTV and SD DVDS looks better on the W5000, and of course blu ray looks sensational. The W5000 displays nicer colours and more shadow detail. They all run at 24 frames. The W5000 can used with a scope screen and lens, the other 2 cannot. The W5000 has a 1 year warranty, the others have 3 years The Epson will be around $400-$700 more, when you weigh up an extended warranty (for 5 years) they are similarly priced. At the end of the day, they are all good machines. I just feel the DLP has still got the goods in all areas. Hi Richard, Seeing as you are a pusher of the BENQ projectors - they have a 2 year limited on site pick up warranty and 12/500hr lamp warranty 12 months looked a little light to me This is in Australia remember Cheers
oztheatre Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 Hi Richard, Seeing as you are a pusher of the BENQ projectors - they have a 2 year limited on site pick up warranty and 12/500hr lamp warranty 12 months looked a little light to me This is in Australia remember Cheers You are correct, sorry for the typo. Rich
Adelaideltpc Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 I like many other think this is an excellent feature!. The PJ's your looking at are similar, its in the eyes of the beholder! There are some who claim it's a great feature because of 'the No1 killer against projectors' - dust. The lens cover only stops dust getting on the lens when you're not using it, it does not stop dust getting into the projectors internals. So yes it's a stupid claim, but at the same time a good idea for keeping dust off the LENS ONLY. *snip* A bit harsh there Rich! Others are entitled to post their opinions too, don't you think? :-) I too think it's a good feature to have. I wish my pj has that feature. BTW, for some reasons you "forgot" to mention that: The TW2000 is brighter than W5000. The TW2000 has better black. The TW2000 has more placement flexibility. The W5000 only supports HDMI 1.2 therefore NO Deep Colour! And also the BIGGEST problem with the W5000 (DLP) is the RAINBOW EFFECT. The W5000 might be a great pj, but it has its weaknesses too. I find your comparision is too baised to be usefull!
oztheatre Posted September 2, 2008 Posted September 2, 2008 There are some who claim it's a great feature because of 'the No1 killer against projectors' - dust.The lens cover only stops dust getting on the lens when you're not using it, it does not stop dust getting into the projectors internals. So yes it's a stupid claim, but at the same time a good idea for keeping dust off the LENS ONLY. *snip* A bit harsh there Rich! Others are entitled to post their opinions too, don't you think? :-) I was referring to the comment that the lens cover prevents the projector from being effected by dust. It is a stupid comment as the lens cover only stops dust getting on the lens when your NOT using it. A fair comment. That comment was not made by anyone on here either. I too think it's a good feature to have. I wish my pj has that feature. BTW, for some reasons you "forgot" to mention that: The TW2000 is brighter than W5000. That is marginal and a non issue for me. The TW2000 has better black. But lacks shadow detail. The W5000 has better ansi contrast. The TW2000 has more placement flexibility. It certainly does. The W5000 only supports HDMI 1.2 therefore NO Deep Colour! Yes and there are no dvds that have deep colour, so at present it's a useless feature. And also the BIGGEST problem with the W5000 (DLP) is the RAINBOW EFFECT. Which effects around 1 in 200 people. The W5000 might be a great pj, but it has its weaknesses too. I find your comparision is too baised to be usefull! I agree it has some weaknesses. But I think as I have all 3 in the same room, my findings count for something. Look at it this way. A good 19 out of 20 people through our showroom ALL agree the W5000 is throw the better image. Are they wrong?
collinhack Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 How does it compare over a whole movie though? I find DLPs tend to look "harsh" and that might get wearing after a couple of hours - or would I just be used to it? Side by side comparisons are not necessarily best as certain features can stand out, which, if "unnatural" can be a negative in longer viewing. Having said that, you say the W5000 looks more 3 dimensional, which is sometimes an indicator of looking more natural. Bottom line is get out and look at the PJs yourself, and if you can't or won't, I can't imagine someone would subsequently be disappointed with any of the TW2000, W5000 or Z2000 :-)
pcardamone Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 I agree it has some weaknesses. But I think as I have all 3 in the same room, my findings count for something.Look at it this way. A good 19 out of 20 people through our showroom ALL agree the W5000 is throw the better image. Are they wrong? Hey Richard, I have found your results/review helpful.... Do you see the HDMI version being an issue anytime soon? Bluray movies etc? I am going to look at the BenQ tonight being fed by TV, SD DVD's and Bluray. I have already seen the Epson and can't say I wasn't impressed.
blue2th Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 http://www.sanyo.com/news/2008/09/16-1en.html Z3000 announced! i just checked out the Z2000 on the weekend and was impressed with the quality. I will now hold off for the Z3000 as i'm expecting reviews to be as positive or better... 120Hz, better blacks (not that the black was to be faulted with the Z2000) and i'm hoping despite still the 1200 lumens lamp, the brightness would be a touch superior to make daytime vieweing bit better...
BigDave Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 I believe I remember reading that the deep colour issue was a.....non issue. While hdmi 1.3 is able to transmit deep colour material, our latest technology Bluray does not do it. That is, it is not possible for a bluray or sd dvd disc to have deep colour material. They would have to put it in digital broadcasts or some other technology. Or am I wrong? There was an article put out about hdmi 1.3 a while ago and its features....audioholics? secrets of home theatre.com?
Guest EZYHD Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 Some details here too... http://www.ausmedia.com.au/sanyo_z3000.htm
Gary_D Posted September 16, 2008 Posted September 16, 2008 So assuming we get the Z3000 with 120hz, what happens to 50hz materials? Do we have to go through some sort of pull down for native PAL tv?
riadmelb Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 Hopefully the focus shift problem has been eliminated in the new z3000.
The_Preacher1973 Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 So assuming we get the Z3000 with 120hz, what happens to 50hz materials? Do we have to go through some sort of pull down for native PAL tv? Hopefully it has a 100hz mode a well.
Brendon Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) I note from the manufacturers site that they are claiming increased contrast due to less light leakage which I also saw mentioned on projectorcentral.com comments about the new LCD models released at CEDIA.The commentator expected this and other improvements to have an impact on native contrast closing the gap on DLP to some extent.It will interesting to see how much. Brendon Edited September 17, 2008 by brendonc
blue2th Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 So assuming we get the Z3000 with 120hz, what happens to 50hz materials? Do we have to go through some sort of pull down for native PAL tv? i'm not fully across the pull down etc but there's a point about 50Hz being pulled down in 4:4 as opposed to 5:5? does this solve the 50Hz problem?
Gary_D Posted September 17, 2008 Posted September 17, 2008 i'm not fully across the pull down etc but there's a point about 50Hz being pulled down in 4:4 as opposed to 5:5?does this solve the 50Hz problem? Well I'm not expert, but 120 isnt cleanly divisible by 50 so there is going to be some sort of judder I would assume. As said, hopefully the panels support 100hz also. According to AVS it won't be cheap either http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1064436
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