Hc6000 Vs Plv-z2000

[ioquatix]

Hi,

I am interested in watching movies (home theatre) and showing photographs.

The price I'm being offered for these units is similar, but the HC6000 is slightly more expensive.

I have read a lot, including cine4home.de which seems to indicate that the HC6000 is slightly better (colorwise), however other sites don't even mention HC6000:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pP...wardwinners.php

I'm pretty confused to be honest. Color is important to me.

The Z2000 in specifications seems to be slightly brighter (1200 vs 1000 lumins, slightly more contrast), and has a lot more end user features such as the end user dust removal, automatic lense hood, and so on. But, cine4home.de said that the color of Z2000 wasn't as good as HC6000.

HC6000 seems to be using D6 style LCD panels, while Z2000 is using D7. Some people have reported degradation of D6 panels (or from what I've read, that seems to be the case). I really need this projector to last at least 6 years to make it a worth while investment for me, so I guess degradation of image quality even after 3 years would be a bit sad for me.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I don't want to spend much more than the cost of these units, so while I'm interested to know if there is a vastly superior model just beyond the horizon, it is mainly these two units I'm interested in at this point.

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Samuel

Edited June 15, 2008 by ioquatix

[chipy2k]

Hi,

I am interested in watching movies (home theatre) and showing photographs.

The price I'm being offered for these units is similar, but the HC6000 is slightly more expensive.

I have read a lot, including cine4home.de which seems to indicate that the HC6000 is slightly better (colorwise), however other sites don't even mention HC6000:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pP...wardwinners.php

I'm pretty confused to be honest. Color is important to me.

The Z2000 in specifications seems to be slightly brighter (1200 vs 1000 lumins, slightly more contrast), and has a lot more end user features such as the end user dust removal, automatic lense hood, and so on. But, cine4home.de said that the color of Z2000 wasn't as good as HC6000.

HC6000 seems to be using D6 style LCD panels, while Z2000 is using D7. Some people have reported degradation of D6 panels (or from what I've read, that seems to be the case). I really need this projector to last at least 6 years to make it a worth while investment for me, so I guess degradation of image quality even after 3 years would be a bit sad for me.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I don't want to spend much more than the cost of these units, so while I'm interested to know if there is a vastly superior model just beyond the horizon, it is mainly these two units I'm interested in at this point.

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Samuel

If you can afford it go the HC6000 i would at the time but the 2k less for a sanyo z2000 was to tempting for me.

[shockvalue]

Hi,

I am interested in watching movies (home theatre) and showing photographs.

The price I'm being offered for these units is similar, but the HC6000 is slightly more expensive.

I have read a lot, including cine4home.de which seems to indicate that the HC6000 is slightly better (colorwise), however other sites don't even mention HC6000:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pP...wardwinners.php

I'm pretty confused to be honest. Color is important to me.

The Z2000 in specifications seems to be slightly brighter (1200 vs 1000 lumins, slightly more contrast), and has a lot more end user features such as the end user dust removal, automatic lense hood, and so on. But, cine4home.de said that the color of Z2000 wasn't as good as HC6000.

HC6000 seems to be using D6 style LCD panels, while Z2000 is using D7. Some people have reported degradation of D6 panels (or from what I've read, that seems to be the case). I really need this projector to last at least 6 years to make it a worth while investment for me, so I guess degradation of image quality even after 3 years would be a bit sad for me.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I don't want to spend much more than the cost of these units, so while I'm interested to know if there is a vastly superior model just beyond the horizon, it is mainly these two units I'm interested in at this point.

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Samuel

I've seen the HC6000 up against the Epson TW2000. I think they are about the same pricepoint. They were both good but the TW2000 to my eyes was better with colour and definition. Plus its got a great warranty. For the $ I think its the best. Don't want to confuse the choice more but it might be worth checking out.

[Big Lunt]

Hi,

I am interested in watching movies (home theatre) and showing photographs.

The price I'm being offered for these units is similar, but the HC6000 is slightly more expensive.

I have read a lot, including cine4home.de which seems to indicate that the HC6000 is slightly better (colorwise), however other sites don't even mention HC6000:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/Best1080pP...wardwinners.php

I'm pretty confused to be honest. Color is important to me.

The Z2000 in specifications seems to be slightly brighter (1200 vs 1000 lumins, slightly more contrast), and has a lot more end user features such as the end user dust removal, automatic lense hood, and so on. But, cine4home.de said that the color of Z2000 wasn't as good as HC6000.

HC6000 seems to be using D6 style LCD panels, while Z2000 is using D7. Some people have reported degradation of D6 panels (or from what I've read, that seems to be the case). I really need this projector to last at least 6 years to make it a worth while investment for me, so I guess degradation of image quality even after 3 years would be a bit sad for me.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I don't want to spend much more than the cost of these units, so while I'm interested to know if there is a vastly superior model just beyond the horizon, it is mainly these two units I'm interested in at this point.

Best regards and many thanks in advance,

Samuel

If i had to choose between these machines I would pick the HC6000 hands down

[oztheatre]

If i had to choose between these machines I would pick the HC6000 hands down

I agree, but I would take the W5000 over all the 5K LCD machines.

It appears I'm a DLP convert : )

[Kazz]

I agree, but I would take the W5000 over all the 5K LCD machines.

It appears I'm a DLP convert : )

That makes two of us as I chose the W10000 over the LCD's and couldn't be happier.

[Big Lunt]

DLP fans always come to the surface when it comes to projection!!!!!!

[Gary_D]

DLP fans always come to the surface when it comes to projection!!!!!!

I must say I am very impressed by my Z2000 and I am only projecting against a wall at the moment. It seems to do 23/24fps material, well I can't guarentee it shows it at the correct speed but it seems to be when I set my popcorn hour to output at 23.97 hz

[Guest EZYHD]

I must say I am very impressed by my Z2000 and I am only projecting against a wall at the moment. It seems to do 23/24fps material, well I can't guarentee it shows it at the correct speed but it seems to be when I set my popcorn hour to output at 23.97 hz

What is this PJ like with subdued light in room?.

[oztheatre]

DLP fans always come to the surface when it comes to projection!!!!!!

Yes and if you owned one you'd agree also. I loved my Epsons and Sanyos but after seeing and owning a 1080P DLP it's the better technology with the better image hands down.

[Chesty]

DLP has its issues also...

Lack of placement flexibility for one. Make that crap placement flexibility.

[oztheatre]

DLP has its issues also...

Lack of placement flexibility for one. Make that crap placement flexibility.

Yes I agree, but that's the worst of it. Most rooms are 4.5+ metres deep which allows for screens up to 100-130 inch 16:9 format and larger diagonals for scope format. For most it's a non issue... some applications do require a 2X zoom...

The main point is the image DLP projectors produce, which is superior to LCD.

[Splash]

I assume you've changed your mind after this post then?

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s=&...st&p=953008

Not trying to call you out.. I was just doing some research on the W5000 and came across it.

[Chesty]

Yes I agree, but that's the worst of it. Most rooms are 4.5+ metres deep which allows for screens up to 100-130 inch 16:9 format and larger diagonals for scope format. For most it's a non issue... some applications do require a 2X zoom...

The main point is the image DLP projectors produce, which is superior to LCD.

Dont know about that Rich.

[oztheatre]

I assume you've changed your mind after this post then?

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s=&...st&p=953008

Not trying to call you out.. I was just doing some research on the W5000 and came across it.

I can't see that post, something wrong with their server. I assume it would have been something along the lines of image noise on the W5000? It had many baffled including myself. What I have found and have been shown is the W5000 is so sharp it picks up the image grain that is the result of high ISO settings on the cameras shooting the film. Transformers HD DVD is a fine example of this. Some scenes, especially darker scenes reveal the film grain, in other scenes it's not there at all. If it's not visible in some scenes and is in other scenes then it's not the projector, it's the ISO settings on the cameras. You can get the same result with a digital camera, turn up the ISO settings and the result is a gainy photo. Im sure some will disagree for whatever reason though.

The reason I like the W5000 so much is because is displays what was filmed, grain included. It's an ultra sharp projector with an image that's hard to beat at sub 5 grand. I think it's unbeatable at sub 5K.

I have done quite a few shootouts with my TW2000 and Z2000 up against my W5000, and 90+% of our showroom guests all agree the W5000 has the better image.

I guess it's one of those things, if you have nothing to compare it to then something like the TW2000 or HC6000 will look great, and they do. It's only when you see them side by side, or one after the other you realise why DLP is better. I really enjoyed using my Epson and before the BenQ was here I thought wow this is a great image for the money, then the W5000 arrived, Mark came over and did some calibrating for me and it became clear pretty quickly which image was better....

[oztheatre]

Dont know about that Rich.

I'm sure there are smaller rooms but the majority of the rooms our screens go into (atleast that's what Ive found) are atleast 4 metres deep, most are 5 to 10 metres deep and are either dedicated projection rooms or multi function rooms.

Still the 2X zoom LCD machines are easier to place.. they all have their tradeoffs, it's a matter of working out which ones you can live with.

Rich

[ArthurDent]

The main point is the image DLP projectors produce, which is superior to LCD.

With LCOS producing the best image overall?

[oztheatre]

With LCOS producing the best image overall?

Not sure, I've seen the VW60 in action and it looked very nice.

I'm sure the sim2 and Marantz DLP machines would argue theirs are better again..

[Tweet]

I can't see that post, something wrong with their server. I assume it would have been something along the lines of image noise on the W5000? It had many baffled including myself. What I have found and have been shown is the W5000 is so sharp it picks up the image grain that is the result of high ISO settings on the cameras shooting the film. Transformers HD DVD is a fine example of this. Some scenes, especially darker scenes reveal the film grain, in other scenes it's not there at all. If it's not visible in some scenes and is in other scenes then it's not the projector, it's the ISO settings on the cameras. You can get the same result with a digital camera, turn up the ISO settings and the result is a gainy photo. Im sure some will disagree for whatever reason though.

The reason I like the W5000 so much is because is displays what was filmed, grain included. It's an ultra sharp projector with an image that's hard to beat at sub 5 grand. I think it's unbeatable at sub 5K.

I have done quite a few shootouts with my TW2000 and Z2000 up against my W5000, and 90+% of our showroom guests all agree the W5000 has the better image.

I guess it's one of those things, if you have nothing to compare it to then something like the TW2000 or HC6000 will look great, and they do. It's only when you see them side by side, or one after the other you realise why DLP is better. I really enjoyed using my Epson and before the BenQ was here I thought wow this is a great image for the money, then the W5000 arrived, Mark came over and did some calibrating for me and it became clear pretty quickly which image was better....

It all comes back to the fact that good DLP projectors have a more clearly defined grey scale than what LCD projectors can possibly achieve. This is because LCD panels are a 'transmissive' technology and with the light leakage through the panels themselves it invariably desaturates the blacks that might be achievable if this were not so.

(As an example, 'white' is mistakenly used in amateur art work to lighten 'colours'...but in fact it just 'flattens' the hue through the desaturating of the colour.)

This 'desaturating' of the blacks by transmissive light also adversely affects the colours, the overall effect produces a slightly 'flatter' screen image with less depth and slightly less colour saturation.

Not until LCD projectors are able to attain a much lower light leakage through the panels can they be expected to produce that 'perfect' image with real depth.

Though LCD is very capable of producing excellent, sharp images it ultimately fails to compete with DLP in image 'solidity' on those grounds.

C.M

Sorry for the edit: spelling correction.

Edited June 26, 2008 by Tweet

[Gary_D]

What is this PJ like with subdued light in room?.

Haven't tried movies when it hasn't been at night. But in my rooms' current state, I get a bit of light during the day and it makes playing dark games fairly annoying. So I would say it wouldn't be great for movies either. When it's dark it is excellent though.

[eyesandears]

Hi Chicken man, You still running with Sanyo's? I'm ready to upgrade my Z2 and am pretty happy with its milage so I'm leaning towards the plv 2000

You got yours about the same time I got mine, so I thought I'd drop you a line and see where your up to.

Cheers

E & E

[Tweet]

Hi Chicken man, You still running with Sanyo's? I'm ready to upgrade my Z2 and am pretty happy with its milage so I'm leaning towards the plv 2000

You got yours about the same time I got mine, so I thought I'd drop you a line and see where your up to.

Cheers

E & E

Yes I still have the Z2, with nearly 1700 hours on the original lamp, it has proved to be a very reliable projector. I don't use it much anymore as I also have the Z4 (2 years now) and I prefer to use that projector for my HT.

I can heartily recommend Sanyo projectors for their reliability and for their performance in their price category as both of these projectors have proved to be exceptionally well engineered.

No doubt the Sanyo Z 2000 will give you much pleasure and years of enjoyment as it too is an exceptional machine. I only wish I was in the market for the same but unfortunately I have to justify the outlay.

I make it a general rule always to buy on the 'run-out sales' for a model which could be 6 months after the introduction of the latest model. Doing this gives one the advantage of a cheaper price and possibly a lamp thrown in to seal the deal.

By the way, upscaling DVD's is better suited to 720p than it is with 1080p, just something to keep in mind if you have a lot of DVDs in your collection.... though with Blu-ray and HD DVD..... movies should look just stunning.

C.M

Edited for the sake of passable English.

Edited June 28, 2008 by Tweet

[MouldyCrumpet]

i have the w20000/w5000 side by side with the hc6000 right now, i have found the following

The HC6000 seems to be able to acheieve a far warmer colour then i can achieve with either the 5000 or 20000, yellows in particular are not intense enough and reds are burgandy by comparision to the 6000

mixed contrast and sharpness are cleary superior on the benq models

full black and low black are suprisingly better on the hc6000, this i didnt expect

benq models arent as noisy(picture wise) as i have been left to believe

if i can get the colout right on the benq then it will be a winner in all ways except in black levels

Edited June 28, 2008 by crumpet

[Tweet]

i have the w20000/w5000 side by side with the hc6000 right now, i have found the following

The HC6000 seems to be able to acheieve a far warmer colour then i can achieve with either the 5000 or 20000, yellows in particular are not intense enough and reds are burgandy by comparision to the 6000

mixed contrast and sharpness arew cleary superior on the benq models

full black and low black arent suprisingly better onthe hc6000, this i didnt expect

benq models are as noisy as i have been left to believe

if i can get the colout right on the benq then it will be a winner in all ways except in bloack levels

?

C.M

[Big Lunt]

i have the w20000/w5000 side by side with the hc6000 right now, i have found the following

The HC6000 seems to be able to acheieve a far warmer colour then i can achieve with either the 5000 or 20000, yellows in particular are not intense enough and reds are burgandy by comparision to the 6000

mixed contrast and sharpness arew cleary superior on the benq models

full black and low black arent suprisingly better onthe hc6000, this i didnt expect

benq models are as noisy as i have been left to believe

if i can get the colout right on the benq then it will be a winner in all ways except in bloack levels

Hi Crumpet,

The one thing is that the BenQ is excellent once they are calibrated - I have seem them set up in couple of stores in QLD.

Contact some of the Home Theatre Specilaists in QLD as they have the holy grail settings - I think there was projectorscreens and also CAVX.

Black levels? What do you mean? I saw more detail compared to another LCD 1080p projector

What do you mean by noisey???