richieleo Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 So I upgraded to the fibre network and I have this question. Appointment from Singtel only in May (backlog from PC show) although my ONT already installed. Is it possible to use a powerline adapter between the optical network terminal and the Singtel mio box? So this is the sequence: Fiber > Singtel Optical Network Terminal >POWERLINE ADAPTER 1A > POWERLINE ADAPTER 1B> (1) Mio Modem (LAN1) > Apple router; AND (2) Mio Modem(LAN 2) > POWERLINE ADAPTER 2A > POWERLINE ADAPTER 2B>Mio TV. Most people will use the powerline adapter after the mio modem only (unless they use the wireless network) if they want/need a wired connection. But to prevent the need to do some renovations, I was wondering if it is possible to use the powerline adapter so that the mio box need not have a long cable from the ONT or have the ONT close by. If this is possible, how much lose transfer speed loss will I suffer? Comments?
louco73 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Short answer, No. :) Long answer... The ONT just converts the fiber to RJ45 LAN and provisions a service per port. Therefore you can have a Starhub service running on one port, Singtel on another, etc. However, each of those services then need their own router to work. For example, my Starhub router does the digital call functions, which the ONT clearly is not capable of. Thus, you need to put the powerline adapter after the MIO modem.
richieleo Posted March 13, 2012 Author Posted March 13, 2012 The ONT just converts the fiber to RJ45 LAN and provisions a service per port. Therefore you can have a Starhub service running on one port, Singtel on another, etc. However, each of those services then need their own router to work. For example, my Starhub router does the digital call functions, which the ONT clearly is not capable of. Thus, you need to put the powerline adapter after the MIO modem. Ok. Thanks. But I'm still not sure I understand. Once the ONT converts the signal to be capable of being transmitted via RJ45 LAN, doesn't the powerline adapter just act as a pathway such that the signal when it reaches the other end of that pathway (the pathway being the house powerline), then signal can be fed into the MIO modem then out again to devices like the PC, Mio TV box or other wireless routers? Sorry if I fail to understand but that's just my simplistic way of looking at it. :)
richieleo Posted March 13, 2012 Author Posted March 13, 2012 Oh and Louco...I read your blog and see that you are a Liverpool supporter! Me too! Nice to meet a fellow fan!
Waterzoo Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Not possible to use a powerline adapter between the optical network terminal and the Singtel mio box because the ONT is having a fiber output and the powerline adapter is having a RJ45 connector. Unless there is a powerline adapter with a fiber connector then it is possible in my opinion.
simic Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 the traffic between between ONT and MIO router is tagged with VLAN. I'm not sure if the powerline adapters can carry 802.1q tagged traffic. But its worth a try and report back. Another thing is if you use 2 pairs of powerline boxes, by default, they will join into the same network. You do not want that, as the powerline on the WAN side is of a different network from the LAN side (going to the mio tv box)
richieleo Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 Guys. Looks like it is possible. Please have a look at this: Fibre Optic and Homeplug Setup (http://fibreopticandhomeplug.blogspot.com/)
louco73 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Ok. Thanks. But I'm still not sure I understand. Once the ONT converts the signal to be capable of being transmitted via RJ45 LAN, doesn't the powerline adapter just act as a pathway such that the signal when it reaches the other end of that pathway (the pathway being the house powerline), then signal can be fed into the MIO modem then out again to devices like the PC, Mio TV box or other wireless routers? Sorry if I fail to understand but that's just my simplistic way of looking at it. :) Ah, I thought you wanted to extend the network to another location from the ONT, as well as going to the MIO modem/router from the ONT. If you just want to extend the point where the ONT comes in to where the MIO modem/router is then it will probably work. Worth a try anyway :). The problem is that you will pretty much defeat the purpose of getting fibre by doing that, since the powerline adapters will now the be main network bottleneck. My blog needs some updating on the home theatre section! I'll have to get to that soon. Liverpool won last night, but I couldn't watch the game as my little one kept me up until nearly kick off time, grrrr!
richieleo Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 Errr...some adapters are rated up to 500 Mps. Which is way higher than what the fibre network offers. Isn't it?
louco73 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 You are dreaming if you think you are going to get that performance, unless they are right next to each other :). Even then it depends on the quality of your electricity lines. If you want to try it out before buying them you can borrow my set. I have the 200Mbps and 1Gbps versions. If you can make do with some cables being present you may want to do what I did and bought a 30m fibre cable to extend where I could place the ONT from the living room to the study. That way I have full performance in my study where it's needed.
richieleo Posted March 14, 2012 Author Posted March 14, 2012 You are dreaming if you think you are going to get that performance, unless they are right next to each other :). Even then it depends on the quality of your electricity lines. If you want to try it out before buying them you can borrow my set. I have the 200Mbps and 1Gbps versions. If you can make do with some cables being present you may want to do what I did and bought a 30m fibre cable to extend where I could place the ONT from the living room to the study. That way I have full performance in my study where it's needed. Thanks for advice! Damn...3-0 Gerrard. Didn't catch it either.... Any thoughts about the 3M promo for laying fibre optics? See below: http://solutions.3m.com.sg/wps/portal/3M/en_SG/ENC/main/CS/Promotion/
louco73 Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I'd say it looks like a reasonable deal if you don't want to do it yourself. I think my cable was $60 for 30m, but it is yellow ;). If you want a tidy installation and you are not comfortable you will get the result you want yourself, then go for it.
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