jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) 'Shiok' is commonly used in Malaysia & Singapore. Not much is known about the origin of this word but it essentially is used to convey a feeling of sheer pleasure and happiness. As I'm posting this, I'm listening to Genesis' self titled album on CD.... Shiok. It's really shiok. But some work is needed... I first ensure there's no disc in the CD player (at this very moment I'm just using a $1k single box player) Then I shut down the power. Then I power it up again (I usually wait for 10 secs, though it is really not necessary) I wait for the player to search/read disc and settle. I insert disc and wait for player to read TOC and settle. I press skip and play button in quick succession to cue up track 1 to play. Play commences. Wah shiok! Very organic, large spacious soundstaging, stable imaging and effortless musicality. I play the whole disc through to the end. Then, I repeat the whole procedure again, with all the powering down/up thingy, before inserting disc and pressing skip and play button in quick successions. The sound is even more organic now. The slight traces of peakiness that was there the first time I played it is audibly absent now. The sound is even more relaxed now than before. Shiokness factor went up! To be continued... Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm must be a simpleton I'm confused ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legselevens Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Food in Penang makes me want to say shiok! Genesis ...no shiok! Lah But I am confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Its a blue face silver ring disc I've tried the target, the blue swirl, the hybrid sacd, but this blue face still sound the most shiok! Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legselevens Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's Saturday. I'll have whatever he's having. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hired goon Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Shiok the monkey? --Geoff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 Someone went and stop the CD player, because of a telephone call coming in. After the call ended, he went and press play. The CD players starts playing the disc from the beginning. Someone else in the room, said "hey what the fark did you do...?" The music don't sound so shiok anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoggieHowser Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Jerome has a system for playing discs. It flies in the face of those who claim bits are bits. The theory behind it I suspect is because most CDPs use some form of micro controllers to manage the playback. Recycling the power to the CDP and then using seek and play (with some timing between the presses) might clear the buffers - and a few times I've heard differences in the sound vs leaving a CDP on for a while and just swapping discs. Sometimes you just got to try this to see if you hear anything. So Jerome, how do you start with say Track 4 instead of 1? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 I remember that's just about the same reaction that Darthlaker had when I tried that stunt in his listening room at one time when he was living in Singapore. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) So Jerome, how do you start with say Track 4 instead of 1?It depends what player/transport is being used....To play track 4, you will need to press the skip forward button 4 times, and the play button once. Different type of optical disc transport have different reaction timing. Some are fast reacting like marantz and older Sony's. With these transports/players, you will need to press the buttons very fast in succession without any pauses in between. Any momentary pauses in between each finger presses will allow track memory to be chalked up at the transport servo controls - leading to less desirable sound when the player commence playing the disc. Some transports/players like the recent esoteric players and the emm labs TSDX and XDS1, and the playback design mps5, which use esoteric supplied transports, are slow reacting, so your speed of pressing buttons cannot be too fast, or else, the transports will fail to capture the command control signals from the buttons. For marantz/older Sony's, to hear track 4 at its best, you will need to press the buttons at the sort of tempo you would usually use to say these 2 words "Atlantic City" There are 5 syllabus. At-lan-tic-ci-ty Imagine pronouncing the name of this city as a single word in your usual tempo You press the skip forward button 4 times and play button once on the count of each of the 5 syllabus without any pauses. For Esoteric transports, to hear track 4 at its best, you will need to press the buttons at the sort of tempo you would usually use to say these 2 words "media announcement" Again there are 5 syllabus. Me-dia-a-nounce-ment Most people tend to pronounce these 5 syllabus at a slower tempo You press the skip forward button 4 times and play button once on the count of each of the 5 syllabus without any pauses. It is harder to get it right on Esoteric transports/ players because of its tendency not to capture command codes if the hand action is too fast, and otoh, if the hand action is a bit too slow, memory imprint will chalked up before play commences, then there will be vagaries in how sound will be reproduced. You will need a finger each from both hands.... ^_^ Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdoot Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Just... wow. Forgive me, but I will never consent to do anything even remotely like this. If I discover that any of my equipment behaves such as you describe, I will consider it faulty and seek my money back. More shiok to you, man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) PCs/Laptops exhibit all sonic consequences arising from the problem that I've described with optical transports - multiply 10 folds In case you haven't understood it already, memory retention is what causing the problem. And then you can't refresh PCs/Laptops as fast as standalone optical disc transports.... Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted December 13, 2014 Volunteer Share Posted December 13, 2014 what if you want to listen to track 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 If yours is a marantz or older sony type or equivalent, Insert a syllabus between Atlantic and City Maybe at-lan-tic-sin-ci-ty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted December 13, 2014 Volunteer Share Posted December 13, 2014 this is superb, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Separate dac systems have other complications... How many of you have read Jim Smith's book get better sound? In case you missed it, read up tip #121 again ...if you ever noticed how much faster your computor runs for a while after being rebooted, you should know that the computor in some dacs and cd players also benefit from files being shut down and then reopened. I won't name them here but, in 2001, there were at least two dacs from separate well-known companies that defintely benefited sonically from an occasional rebooting. the improvement after rebooting was rather surprising, considering the prices of these components.... Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) At home I'm running the emm lab TSDX/DAC2X combi I notice that depending on which one of the transport or the dac is powered up first, the sound can be vastly different. I started off always turning on the dac first, then the transport. But I found that the sound quality is vastly better if I power up the transport first, insert disc, let it read the TOC and settle before I power up the dac. And I also noticed that if for some reason the dac lose sync momentarily, the sound quality degradation is very similar to the way it sound if I would to power up the dac first then the transport. It is as though the dac must only read/receive the incoming stream only once. Receiving the in coming data/time stream a second time without refreshing will degrade its sound reproduction quality quite audiby. And I've since discovered a lot of dacs also behave the same way - as Jim Smith has discovered a long ago already. Edited December 13, 2014 by jeromelang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awhw Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 For a moment I thought I was in Xtremeplace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulinap Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 'Shiok' is commonly used in Malaysia & Singapore. Not much is known about the origin of this word but it essentially is used to convey a feeling of sheer pleasure and happiness. The word Shiok is of Punjabi origin....("shauk" in Punjabi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundscape Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So if shauk is pronounced more slowly than shiok, it might not have desired effect, transport dependent. Am I reading this right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to music Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Great thread, I have always wondered why when I took the CD out on my late Rotel 965 and reinserted it that it always sounded better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinilink Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) If you use this on cds, you get more or real shiok. Otherwise no shiok at all. Edited December 16, 2014 by vinilink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) If you use this on cds, you get more or real shiok. Otherwise no shiok at all.Haha!Wat goes around comes around..... I'm probably the first one outside of japan to write about this product, way back on Dec 17, 2009, on audioasylum Subsequently acousticsounds used part of my comments as user review for this product on their online store. I should say this: Initially the effect is very pleasing, but over extended period users start to notice a certain identifiable sameness about every CDs and Vinyl LPs that had been treated with this products... Edited December 17, 2014 by jeromelang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinilink Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I should say this: Initially the effect is very pleasing, but over extended period users start to notice a certain identifiable sameness about every CDs and Vinyl LPs that had been treated with this products... Doesn't the sameness then applies to components you're using too as they will give you same sounds all the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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