Mike.L Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 do NOT use telstra big pond!!!!I said do NOT use big pond!!!! what pisses me off?? WHAT FUCKIN pisses me OFF!!!! Bloody BIGPOND friggin PISS ME OFFFFFFFFFFFFF! Man, I had no intention of participating in this thread!!! till some bugger set me off. Absolute lying friggin bastards they are, and no JA, I have absolutely NO compunction in telling everybody and I DO sincerely hope it hurts their business. Complete and utter lying bastards. I said i was going to de-telstra my world... then i moved and there was telstra cable in the street..... i went back to the dark side... they sent me the self install kit... wouldnt work, over 20 calls later i finally got a new kit installed free ... i wonder if its all worth it,,, p.s. terry sorry for setting you off:D
2sheds Posted October 1, 2008 Author Posted October 1, 2008 Call centres. "Your call is important to us..." Well answer the bloody phone...!!! cheers 2sheds
2sheds Posted October 1, 2008 Author Posted October 1, 2008 UmmRicky Gervais :o Small black and white avatars Curtin...? cheers 2sheds
Jake Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Always said you were goodWhat about this? Clyde Cameron
2sheds Posted October 1, 2008 Author Posted October 1, 2008 Always said you were goodWhat about this? Clyde Cameron...? cheers 2sheds
davidsss Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 So many things piss me off it's just not funny: Progress which isn't progress - for example: the stupid hi tech ticketing systems we all seem to have for public transport which are more expensive and less convenient than the staff they replaced. Sure I can think of more examples in time (can I put the invention of the CD under this category? No, might upset too many people!). Bad spelling and grammar (there, I've said it - learn proper English you bastards ). My own dyslexic typing and how I have to go back and correct everything (see point above). Machines which don't do what they're supposed to because of shoddy design. I'll agree with Drizt - double standards and hypocrisy piss me off as do people who see problems rather than looking for solutions. I work with Engineers and they have that solution oriented training which is quite a relief at times, they just look for ways to solve or get around problems. A good approach, not always the answer, but most of the time it works. People who won't admit when they stuff up was another good one (Mondie - that was yours wasn't it?). Everybody stuffs things up sometimes, the point is to fix it. That'll do me for now. DS
Nude Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Frank Sinatra and Fred Astaire I think they both felt a bit 'ginger' at times:D
Jake Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 I think they both felt a bit 'ginger' at times:D ...a bit of Ginger methinks
Nude Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 So many things piss me off it's just not funny:Progress which isn't progress - for example: the stupid hi tech ticketing systems we all seem to have for public transport which are more expensive and less convenient than the staff they replaced. Sure I can think of more examples in time (can I put the invention of the CD under this category? No, might upset too many people!). Bad spelling and grammar (there, I've said it - learn proper English you bastards ). My own dyslexic typing and how I have to go back and correct everything (see point above). Machines which don't do what they're supposed to because of shoddy design. I'll agree with Drizt - double standards and hypocrisy piss me off as do people who see problems rather than looking for solutions. I work with Engineers and they have that solution oriented training which is quite a relief at times, they just look for ways to solve or get around problems. A good approach, not always the answer, but most of the time it works. That'll do me for now. DS Hi David I work with engineers everyday Great Flow Charts But often no idea of reality Usually, once the human aspect has been explained, understanding is forthcoming
Aslan Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Having spent last weekend mostly at Terry's and getting the full rundown on his Telstra saga, I can only agree with TJ's sentiments. I'm sure he could sue them for false everything, but the reality is they can afford more expensive Barristers. On the subject of Telstra, what pisses me off: 1/ The fact that they are obliged by law to provide a free directory information service. Guess what? They have two directory numbers.........the free one, which they dont advertise, and the pay for service number, which they advertise HEAVILY. 2/ Is it just me or have you noticed that since they started rolling out high speed broadband the standard broadband service is getting slower and s.l.o.w.e.r and s..l..o..w..e..r............................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz As TJ says...............bastards.
Nude Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The one that really gets me is Book Learnt Fwits with no experience or exposure, who think that the 'recommended reading' somehow equips them with a valid opinion Traditional education is lacking in the extreme Vocational training has a lot to account for "but the rule says....." "This equation written by somebody with zero experience in this situation, but........" "But I read that......" I employ a graduate every year in the interests of furthering the industry:confused:, but my god, they need 30 times the attention of those with no formal education In my experience as an employer, the so called educated under or around 30s are mostly ignorant troglodytes with no ability to logically back themselves up The future is not looking good Thank God I'm so close to retirement
Aslan Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The one that really gets me is Book Learnt Fwits with no experience or exposure, who think that the 'recommended reading' somehow equips them with a valid opinionTraditional education is lacking in the extreme Vocational training has a lot to account for "but the rule says....." "This equation written by somebody with zero experience in this situation, but........" "But I read that......" I employ a graduate every year in the interests of furthering the industry:confused:, but my god, they need 30 times the attention of those with no formal education In my experience as an employer, the so called educated under or around 30s are mostly ignorant troglodytes with no ability to logically back themselves up The future is not looking good Thank God I'm so close to retirement You've hit a bullseye there Nudie. A previous employer (who shall remain nameless) decided that employing Logistics Graduates was the way to go, rather than employ people with actual work experience. They had brand spanking new automated warehouse, 3 tier pick to belt systems, laser scanned sortation, all that crap, 85 staff, 55,000 cartons per day pick, corresponding inwards volumes, and employed a Uni Grad who had only ever set foot in a warehouse on work experience to run the show. The outcomes were predictable I laughed for weeks when I subsequently found out what happened. Moreso because he was my replacement
Andythiing Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Naggin nnaggin Naggin and people who repeat stuff
Andythiing Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 People that dont agree with ME - that really f&%$ing pisses me off
Super Mustud Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 The one that really gets me is Book Learnt Fwits with no experience or exposure, who think that the 'recommended reading' somehow equips them with a valid opinionTraditional education is lacking in the extreme Vocational training has a lot to account for "but the rule says....." "This equation written by somebody with zero experience in this situation, but........" "But I read that......" I employ a graduate every year in the interests of furthering the industry:confused:, but my god, they need 30 times the attention of those with no formal education In my experience as an employer, the so called educated under or around 30s are mostly ignorant troglodytes with no ability to logically back themselves up The future is not looking good Thank God I'm so close to retirement Interesting one Nude. About a year ago I came to opinion that uni education is basically like the training for the priesthood back in the Middle Ages. You didn't necessarily learn how to be useful, but you learnt the rules that gave you entry into the ruling professions that gave you the opportunity to become useful over time. Only the exceptional can gain entry without a solid grounding in the rules. The rules are of course the rules of thinking, logic and discipline that underpin the professions. These are not necessarily the "best" rules, but they are the current rules. This is not to say that one cannot be a leader without this background - quite obviously. However it is on average a hell of a lot easier if you do. So, I agree, a fresh graduate is a high maintenance employee, and indeed one who will most probably move on as soon as they absorb a bit of practical experience. This is why in the old days so many graduates were trained in their first few years by government departments. It was a public service for society to avoid totally green graduates having to get basic training by businesses that to survive need to generate profit immediately from their employees. Makes it much harder for employers now that this service has been significantly reduced.
Nude Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 You've hit a bullseye there Nudie. A previous employer (who shall remain nameless) decided that employing Logistics Graduates was the way to go, rather than employ people with actual work experience.They had brand spanking new automated warehouse, 3 tier pick to belt systems, laser scanned sortation, all that crap, 85 staff, 55,000 cartons per day pick, corresponding inwards volumes, and employed a Uni Grad who had only ever set foot in a warehouse on work experience to run the show. The outcomes were predictable I laughed for weeks when I subsequently found out what happened. Moreso because he was my replacement Andrew I've seen it so may times No doubt they're deciding on who to blame for the resultant poor outcomes and continual loss of experienced talent Nothin' that a pivot table from a pimpled grad can't fix!! Semantics anybody? :o
JA Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) do NOT use telstra big pond!!!!I said do NOT use big pond!!!! what pisses me off?? WHAT FUCKIN pisses me OFF!!!! Bloody BIGPOND friggin PISS ME OFFFFFFFFFFFFF! Man, I had no intention of participating in this thread!!! till some bugger set me off. Absolute lying friggin bastards they are, and no JA, I have absolutely NO compunction in telling everybody and I DO sincerely hope it hurts their business. Complete and utter lying bastards. Thanks Terry, It's amazing- I haven't even said 1 word in this thread until now and was greeted with those comments. I expect you are referring to my comments in another thread: http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showpost.php?p=157671&postcount=39 In any event, it's always nice to be reminded that one's contribution made in a friendly and positive sense has been remembered and although considered worthless is still worthy of ridicule. Best JA Edited October 1, 2008 by JA
Nude Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Interesting one Nude. About a year ago I came to opinion that uni education is basically like the training for the priesthood back in the Middle Ages. You didn't necessarily learn how to be useful, but you learnt the rules that gave you entry into the ruling professions that gave you the opportunity to become useful over time. Only the exceptional can gain entry without a solid grounding in the rules. The rules are of course the rules of thinking, logic and discipline that underpin the professions. These are not necessarily the "best" rules, but they are the current rules.This is not to say that one cannot be a leader without this background - quite obviously. However it is on average a hell of a lot easier if you do. So, I agree, a fresh graduate is a high maintenance employee, and indeed one who will most probably move on as soon as they absorb a bit of practical experience. This is why in the old days so many graduates were trained in their first few years by government departments. It was a public service for society to avoid totally green graduates having to get basic training by businesses that to survive need to generate profit immediately from their employees. Makes it much harder for employers now that this service has been significantly reduced. Hi Mustud Yeah the Guilds of old certainly had a purpose The Grads that are in the marketplace now have an exulted opinion of themselves and don't seem to understand that learning the basics is just the start I don't take them on to earn a profit at all, I see it as a public service to my own industry Personally I run my grads thru all depts and they don't move to the next until I'm satisfied that they have an Understanding Typically, it may be 4 or 5 years before they are worth their package, if they survive I wear that cost But I have found that Leadership isn't a taught thing, you have it or you don't, an understanding of the mechanics of the Logistics Operations Business My industry is extremely results orientated, and over the last 15 years or so I have found that the Guys who rose through the ranks have a greater understanding of what is required Cheers Nude
Super Mustud Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 But I have found that Leadership isn't a taught thing, you have it or you don't Pretty much agree with your post, Nude, however I will just make a comment about the bit I snipped out. First of all, being a "leader" is not something I place an extreme value on in terms of value to society. To me, being a "leader" is not necessarily "better", but more in the nature of a vocational selection. They are needed for the good organisation of our world, just as is everyone else. I also do not see it as such a clearcut categorisation as I often hear described. (On a slightly aside note, I invariably wince when I hear parents explain how their child is special, because they do not mean special in the sense of being an individual, but special in the sense of being "better". I am also amazed at how many "above average" students and graduates I am introduced to. I wonder where all the "average" ones are hiding?) I agree that the ability to be a Leader is generally not a taught thing, so being a graduate is not in itself any reliable indication of leadership ability. Of course there is the usual proportion of them in that group. I do believe, however, that the "Leaders" can be taught to be better leaders. It is this that can (I stress the "can") make management training worthwhile.
terry j Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 lindy got a bit annoyed at AAPT, dunno why. so she goes into the local telstra office and says we want to switch to a similar plan. blah balh blah, this is the plan most families use etc. ok. After a week or so (and it took a week to even get the internet on, something about aapt 'not releasing the line' or whatever, three to five working days, tho of course it only takes ten minutes to disconnect it eh) lindy gets a text message from big pond that we have a internet bill of $1100. She rins them and get's told that we are (obviously) on a too small plan. But for an extra $10 bucks a month we can get unlimited downloads, so she says yeah. She disputes the bill and they say 'ok we'll send you a form to dispute the bill' After another week the internet is sooooo slooow which is what andrew saw, (how about five minutes to load a page with images turned off?) and I get sick and tired of this and ring them. 'oh, we sent you the form' and we tell them we haven't recieved it. so they send me another one. then I talk to another bird, and she says that the reason we are so slow is because we have exceeded our downloads. 'but we changed to an unlimited download plan'. Yeah, unlimited but after a certain amount it's 64kbps or whatever. But for another ten bucks a month........ bait and switch. then she says that it's all down to us cause when we used the installation cd it's all on there. WTF?` Christ, Lindy had gone and seen a 'consultant' in person, and it's all down to us? OK, fair enough, I can kinda see that but does that mean it lets a consultant off the hook and they have no responsibility to full and clearly explain stuff? So we say OK, put us on the next plan, but we can't because we have already upgraded once in the month! WTF A consultant told us on the phone about the first upgrade, yet nothing about the slow speed (good trick eh, unlimited downloads yet at such a slow speed that you can't download anything, all for an extra ten bucks a month) and nothing about only one change a month. THEN she tells us that we have been receiving regular messages. Heh? It turns out that when they said they'd send us something they meant an e-mail! Crikey, I may be showing my age but I just assumed when someone says they'll 'send us something' it would come in the mail. We never had any of this with aapt, it never occured to me they meant e-mail (again naievty on my part, but somewhere there is a communication line all mucked up) When we set up (activated) the plan he did so, then asked us iof we wanted to setup the e-mail account with bigpond. we said no don't bother, already have an e-mail address and so he says fine. we had no idea that they would use it to contact us. finally logged on to 'my bigpond'. we were welcomed to bigpond on the 25/8 at 3.52pm, by 7.52pm they had sent us an e-mail saying we had reached 50% of our allowance, 11.23 we had reached 75%, 9.51 the next day we had reached 125% and by 7 pm on the 28th we had reached 250% of our allowance and had a bill of $1100! We didn't even know we had an e-maol account with them, and the 'consultant' says fine when we say we don't want it. what is the ******* point of talking to a 'consultant'??? if they don't ******* consult? Never heard boo from aapt for years. asked to go to the 'same' plan and they sell us that crap. TODAY I get a 'welcome' package from bigpond (and wrapped in a red bow can you ******* believe that!! haha hahaha) and so i look and there is all the explanation of our e-mail account, that they will notify us when we approach milestones in terms of downloads and ****. Six weeks and $1100 bucks later!! And guess what else arrived from bigpond in the same mailbox delivery, a bloody bill that's what!! $1154 or something. So when I'm talking to this bird last week I say bugger this crap, we want out and she tells us it will cost us $350 or some such ****. And who the hell do you get to yell at?? I mean it's some huge faceless monstrosity, completly unfair to abuse some poor dude (probably on the absolute minimum wage) at the other end of the phone line. Ahh man, stay away from bloody big pond the complete and utter ******* lying bastards. So I satr sending THEM e-mails from 'my bigpond', and get a computer generated form back. however, right at the bottom is the line 'or reply to this and one of out team members' (what pisses me off? TEAM members, give me a break!!! Go to friggin bunnings and it's team members 'could one of the team members please go to the paint department' TEAM MEMBERS!!! bloody stupid american corporate bullshit speak.) anyway, they assure me a 'team member' will reply within one working day. heh heh, I'll just keep sending them an e-mail each day till they reply, with copies sent to the sent folder, all for the court case that I'm sure will be coming up. (been over a working day, no surprise there is nothing back yet eh) And the bird tells us that in order for us to get the 'half price' deal for longer than 6 months and extend it to nine months, WE need to log on to telstra and do whatever. First we heard of it. Also to extend from the nine months we need to have a mobile phone on a plan greater tha $20/mth and switch to telstra with it. FIRST we'd heard of it. And that had to be done ithin 30 days, and she agreed with me that at the time she was finally telling us this (a consultant on the phone remember) thirty days had already passed, or pretty well. And yet I can see right on this pisce of paper in front of me fro the very first consultant way back when lindy first went to change that we have a 50% discount for twelve months. I mean it's in writing and this bird on the phone is telling us that we only have six months, and need to jump thru hoops to extend it. Filthy lying deceitful bastards. What else pisses me off? Slobs who are so bloody lazy and downtone that they can't lift their frigging feet when they walk. scrape scrape scrape. Usually dumbass employees at bunnings. And of course you hear this and sure enough when you take a look, I mean you can tell a lot about where someone is at by looking and observing you know? "Don't judge people by the way they look'' why the hell not? You can just tell you know. better stop now, keyboard is smoking. as will I to calm down.,
Super Mustud Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 lindy got a bit annoyed at AAPT, dunno why.so she goes into the local telstra office and says we want to switch to a similar plan. blah balh blah, this is the plan most families use etc. ok. After a week or so (and it took a week to even get the internet on, something about aapt 'not releasing the line' or whatever, three to five working days, tho of course it only takes ten minutes to disconnect it eh) lindy gets a text message from big pond that we have a internet bill of $1100. She rins them and get's told that we are (obviously) on a too small plan. But for an extra $10 bucks a month we can get unlimited downloads, so she says yeah. She disputes the bill and they say 'ok we'll send you a form to dispute the bill' After another week the internet is sooooo slooow which is what andrew saw, (how about five minutes to load a page with images turned off?) and I get sick and tired of this and ring them. 'oh, we sent you the form' and we tell them we haven't recieved it. so they send me another one. then I talk to another bird, and she says that the reason we are so slow is because we have exceeded our downloads. 'but we changed to an unlimited download plan'. Yeah, unlimited but after a certain amount it's 64kbps or whatever. But for another ten bucks a month........ bait and switch. then she says that it's all down to us cause when we used the installation cd it's all on there. WTF?` Christ, Lindy had gone and seen a 'consultant' in person, and it's all down to us? OK, fair enough, I can kinda see that but does that mean it lets a consultant off the hook and they have no responsibility to full and clearly explain stuff? So we say OK, put us on the next plan, but we can't because we have already upgraded once in the month! WTF A consultant told us on the phone about the first upgrade, yet nothing about the slow speed (good trick eh, unlimited downloads yet at such a slow speed that you can't download anything, all for an extra ten bucks a month) and nothing about only one change a month. THEN she tells us that we have been receiving regular messages. Heh? It turns out that when they said they'd send us something they meant an e-mail! Crikey, I may be showing my age but I just assumed when someone says they'll 'send us something' it would come in the mail. We never had any of this with aapt, it never occured to me they meant e-mail (again naievty on my part, but somewhere there is a communication line all mucked up) When we set up (activated) the plan he did so, then asked us iof we wanted to setup the e-mail account with bigpond. we said no don't bother, already have an e-mail address and so he says fine. we had no idea that they would use it to contact us. finally logged on to 'my bigpond'. we were welcomed to bigpond on the 25/8 at 3.52pm, by 7.52pm they had sent us an e-mail saying we had reached 50% of our allowance, 11.23 we had reached 75%, 9.51 the next day we had reached 125% and by 7 pm on the 28th we had reached 250% of our allowance and had a bill of $1100! We didn't even know we had an e-maol account with them, and the 'consultant' says fine when we say we don't want it. what is the ******* point of talking to a 'consultant'??? if they don't ******* consult? Never heard boo from aapt for years. asked to go to the 'same' plan and they sell us that crap. TODAY I get a 'welcome' package from bigpond (and wrapped in a red bow can you ******* believe that!! haha hahaha) and so i look and there is all the explanation of our e-mail account, that they will notify us when we approach milestones in terms of downloads and ****. Six weeks and $1100 bucks later!! And guess what else arrived from bigpond in the same mailbox delivery, a bloody bill that's what!! $1154 or something. So when I'm talking to this bird last week I say bugger this crap, we want out and she tells us it will cost us $350 or some such ****. And who the hell do you get to yell at?? I mean it's some huge faceless monstrosity, completly unfair to abuse some poor dude (probably on the absolute minimum wage) at the other end of the phone line. Ahh man, stay away from bloody big pond the complete and utter ******* lying bastards. So I satr sending THEM e-mails from 'my bigpond', and get a computer generated form back. however, right at the bottom is the line 'or reply to this and one of out team members' (what pisses me off? TEAM members, give me a break!!! Go to friggin bunnings and it's team members 'could one of the team members please go to the paint department' TEAM MEMBERS!!! bloody stupid american corporate bullshit speak.) anyway, they assure me a 'team member' will reply within one working day. heh heh, I'll just keep sending them an e-mail each day till they reply, with copies sent to the sent folder, all for the court case that I'm sure will be coming up. (been over a working day, no surprise there is nothing back yet eh) And the bird tells us that in order for us to get the 'half price' deal for longer than 6 months and extend it to nine months, WE need to log on to telstra and do whatever. First we heard of it. Also to extend from the nine months we need to have a mobile phone on a plan greater tha $20/mth and switch to telstra with it. FIRST we'd heard of it. And that had to be done ithin 30 days, and she agreed with me that at the time she was finally telling us this (a consultant on the phone remember) thirty days had already passed, or pretty well. And yet I can see right on this pisce of paper in front of me fro the very first consultant way back when lindy first went to change that we have a 50% discount for twelve months. I mean it's in writing and this bird on the phone is telling us that we only have six months, and need to jump thru hoops to extend it. Filthy lying deceitful bastards. What else pisses me off? Slobs who are so bloody lazy and downtone that they can't lift their frigging feet when they walk. scrape scrape scrape. Usually dumbass employees at bunnings. And of course you hear this and sure enough when you take a look, I mean you can tell a lot about where someone is at by looking and observing you know? "Don't judge people by the way they look'' why the hell not? You can just tell you know. better stop now, keyboard is smoking. as will I to calm down., So, Terry, I wish you would stop dancing around the issue and just get to the point. What do you think of Telstra?
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