evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Went to put on Hugh Masekela Hope and pressed the 45 speed button (changes to blue) on the De'Thinn turntable fitted with an exterior Mose/Hercules power supply and nothing, nada - light indicator shows blue on the t/table switch but no motor activation at all! 33 speed is fine and checking the belt all seems ok, tried switching the unit off but to no avail. Any ideas guys?? Would appreciate tips as not keen on putting it in for repair due to separation anxiety issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yamaha_man Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Pfffft! Linn Sh!t. Upgrade time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Wow, just as I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these Clive. Hope you get it sorted mate. Seek out @@Telecine and if you need some obfuscation seek out @@djb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 Contraire my dear YM, this is a Thorens TD150MK11 chassis with custom plinth,(looks Linny) modded Denon DA-401 arm with only a smattering of anything Linn (but superior to) so not so easy to dismiss! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 Wow, just as I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these Clive. Hope you get it sorted mate. Seek out @@Telecine and if you need some obfuscation seek out @@djb Thanks, maybe I could get a "loaner" from @@djb when/if I put it in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 As @@Luc unfairly called me a "nasty old man" just minutes ago and now an obfuscationist I will treat you both as the troll @evilangelist deserves This isn't the Slee loaner program! Speaking of which has anyone actually been allowed to borrow the Slee mono block amps? @@cheekyboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telecine Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Check the connections and reseat them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 As @@Luc unfairly called me a "nasty old man" just minutes ago and now an obfuscationist I will treat you both as the troll @evilangelist deserves This isn't the Slee loaner program! Speaking of which has anyone actually been allowed to borrow the Slee mono block amps? @@cheekyboy But you taught me everything I know about "trolling"! The truth be told, I was merely trying to make you seem a "valuable" friend in times of need and "pumping your tyres up"(not that I had any intention of loaning) but no chance of any semblence of help in any shape or form! Don't drag me down to Luc's level - no offense implied @Luc Check the connections and reseat them. Thanks - first thing I did was that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Pfffft! Linn ****. Upgrade time! YM - a Hercules is nothing to do with Linn. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telecine Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 But you taught me everything I know about "trolling"! The truth be told, I was merely trying to make you seem a "valuable" friend in times of need and "pumping your tyres up"(not that I had any intention of loaning) but no chance of any semblence of help in any shape or form! Don't drag me down to Luc's level - no offense implied @Luc Thanks - first thing I did was that. Have you checked the motor wire connections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Contraire my dear YM, this is a Thorens TD150MK11 chassis with custom plinth,(looks Linny) modded Denon DA-401 arm with only a smattering of anything Linn (but superior to) so not so easy to dismiss! So I presume your Thorens uses the 110v Premotec motor? I happen to have a good-sounding 33/45 speed controller designed for this motor ... which I no longer need (due to my switch to #9's Premotec speed controller). Would you like a lend of it, to see how you like it? Regards, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 No as I have power up at 33 - is there an extra wire for 45? Thought it was controlled speed-wise by sending different frequency hz Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telecine Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 (edited) Not sure about the motor wires. Check anyway. Edited August 2, 2014 by Telecine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 So I presume your Thorens uses the 110v Premotec motor? I happen to have a good-sounding 33/45 speed controller designed for this motor ... which I no longer need (due to my switch to #9's Premotec speed controller). Would you like a lend of it, to see how you like it? Regards, Andy Thanks Andy, will be in touch and greatly appreciate your kind gesture! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Don't drag me down to Luc's level I saw that. ...and of course no offence is taken, I'd expect no less from an environ of G.W. Take Syndal railway station out of the equation and then there is nothing separating Mt.Waverley from Glen Waverley except breeding and a certain odd way of pronouncing in a querulous tone: Gar len Wave-erley? I grew up in the early 60's with that refrain issuing on a regular basis from Mum's wide store of less desirable places to be seen at in Bleak City like anything north of Glen Waverley(wasn't there when I was a little girl she said..umm Mum that was 1930...) and then there was those odd people who lived in Brighton who resented people from Wangarrata buying a beachside house(Mum why did you ever move?) Dad was rather less politic about the inhabitants of those north of Stevensons Rd. I'll take the trek out there though when next down there. Just to prove to her there are actually nice people out there who know what to do with their knives and forks after a meal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 No as I have power up at 33 - is there an extra wire for 45? Thought it was controlled speed-wise by sending different frequency hz Yes, Clive, I believe that's how the Hercules works. It should feed AC to the motor at 50Hz for 33 1/3rd rpm and 67.5Hz for 45rpm. The key issue is, IMO ... does it also (as well as feeding mains Hz) alter the phase difference between the 2 pairs of wires on the Premotec (this is important for motor vibration)? Regards, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yamaha_man Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Contraire my dear YM, this is a Thorens TD150MK11 chassis with custom plinth,(looks Linny) modded Denon DA-401 arm with only a smattering of anything Linn (but superior to) so not so easy to dismiss! Damn YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Checkmate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolster Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 I suggest contacting the manufacturer, Edmund Chan. If you don't have his email address, drop me a PM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 Don't drag me down to Luc's level I saw that. ...and of course no offence is taken, I'd expect no less from an environ of G.W. Take Syndal railway station out of the equation and then there is nothing separating Mt.Waverley from Glen Waverley except breeding and a certain odd way of pronouncing in a querulous tone: Gar len Wave-erley? I grew up in the early 60's with that refrain issuing on a regular basis from Mum's wide store of less desirable places to be seen at in Bleak City like anything north of Glen Waverley(wasn't there when I was a little girl she said..umm Mum that was 1930...) and then there was those odd people who lived in Brighton who resented people from Wangarrata buying a beachside house(Mum why did you ever move?) Dad was rather less politic about the inhabitants of those north of Stevensons Rd. I'll take the trek out there though when next down there. Just to prove to her there are actually nice people out there who know what to do with their knives and forks after a meal. To show you the quality of people from Gwen Waverwey (we've moved up the totem pole since your last contact with "civilization" I am even prepared to openly welcome you to my humble abode and provide you with beverages hospitality and food with tunes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telecine Posted August 2, 2014 Share Posted August 2, 2014 Damn YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Checkmate! Not quite. I suspect that the Hercules has worked out that it is not powering a Linn and gone on strike. I have a solution EvilC, send me your 45's; problem solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 Not quite. I suspect that the Hercules has worked out that it is not powering a Linn and gone on strike. I have a solution EvilC, send me your 45's; problem solved. Hope and Fleetwood Mac are too valuable for that - might have single 45's of Suzi Quatro - Devil Gate Drive & The Mixtures - The pushbike song I could forward to you! Might have used a few coins stacked on top of the old radiogram stylus though that might have carved a new path! I suggest contacting the manufacturer, Edmund Chan. If you don't have his email address, drop me a PM. Thanks Wol, think it might be the wisest step to take next Damn YOU!!!!!!!!!!! Checkmate! You've been "badoozled"! Yes, Clive, I believe that's how the Hercules works. It should feed AC to the motor at 50Hz for 33 1/3rd rpm and 67.5Hz for 45rpm. The key issue is, IMO ... does it also (as well as feeding mains Hz) alter the phase difference between the 2 pairs of wires on the Premotec (this is important for motor vibration)? Regards, Andy Interesting question Andy - one most probably beyond my teeny alcohol addled prematurely aged brain's capabilities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awty Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Are you able to adjust the speed/hz on the Hercules to fine tune the turntable speed? or is it preset. I have a AC Thoren type motor on my Scan Dyna that is just a little too slow 33.1. Sorry to go slightly OT, I know nothing about the Hercules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 3, 2014 Author Share Posted August 3, 2014 Hi Paul,yes it's fixed speed so no adjustment. Cheers, Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telecine Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Hope and Fleetwood Mac are too valuable for that - might have single 45's of Suzi Quatro - Devil Gate Drive & The Mixtures - The pushbike song I could forward to you! I think that I might already have the Suzi Q one somewhere in similar condition. You can keep the Pushbike Song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 Have just spoken to Edmund who makes the Hercules and I quote: I see, so your Mose + Hercules does not work at 45 rpm. Can you do a measurement by voltmeter, is there any AC voltage present to motor at 45 rpm. Please check the AC voltage to motor, if there is no voltage at all, it is Hercules malfunction. If AC voltage present at around 90 V AC, it probably the voltage is too old. Please check and let me know, I will give your suggestion to fix this issues. Cheer Edmund Prompt reply at least - now just need to do the testing & take it from there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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