sean Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I know this isn't hi fi related directly, but we all have bought hi fi gear from Ebay. I heard on the radio today that Ebay are going to start charging a commission on the post/shipping costs of an item. Cheeky buggers! Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth....it's not like they aren't making enough as it is. Cheers. Edited March 27, 2014 by sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesnodger Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 They are quickly running themselves out of business. Greedy scumbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upfront Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Worst part is they own gumtree too. Will be interesting to see how long it takes before they start charging fees too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereophilus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Interesting to read their supposed reasoning for the change. They want to change sellers behaviour. They want more sellers to offer free postage/shipping. I guess this is in part due to some sellers quoting very high postage costs and discounted price on the product to reduce the amount paid to eBay. Personally, I try to avoid eBay for selling or buying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Charging a % on postage which has got nothing to do with them. How can they legally do that ? It will double fees payable for selling and posting a record. Not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxspl Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I guess the billions they are making already is not enough for them. 10% seller fee + paypal fee which the seller is forced to accept as the payment method ,plus listing fee, and now a 10% fee charged on the postage cost. I would rather sell stuff here for a much cheaper price than deal with the greedy bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcamry Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 They are getting too greedy now ,the small seller will be priced out of the market. :mad: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 The problem with what they are doing is that they are charging a commission on what is just a transaction cost. It is not a charge relating to any payment from the sale. This seems fundamentally unreasonable to me. The 10% is itself very high given that they have no involvement in the sale, and no real costs associated with the sale. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 It's capitalism, simple as that. Complain all you want, but at the end of the day the venal bastards will live or die by the market forces involved in their business. Buy something off Ebay and your tacitly agreeing to their rape+pillage version of the big C. Advertise here and donate a sum to Marc and his website and your tacitly agreeing to another type of the big C. At the end of the day it's your choice where you spend your money and how you spend it so think upon that and it's outcomes. Plain and fairly simple economics in the end. For what it's worth, I'll be donating a sum to SNA to assist Marc in whatever way he deems it necessary to spend that money when I eventually put something up for sale. What he does with it is no real concern of mine unless he's a front for something unpalatable and as he likes droplets and introduces me personally to mongrel businesses that sell 802d's...I trust him implicitly... <_< 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereophilus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 10% commission is waaaaay too high for eBay. SNA is a much nicer form of capitalism to subscribe to. I think donations could be made regardless of whether sales are made. Running a forum is hard work. The value of controlling the unruly elements (like myself) to hone the greater knowledge should not go unrewarded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audionutz Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Only upside I can see is that it's good news for SNA & other smaller online sales outlets. Maybe (?) it might also have some small effect on brick & mortar retailers - who knows. But, the thing I like about the SNA model, is that it relies on the conscience of the seller as to whether they donate to the site that facilitated the sale, or not. Perversely, that option makes me likely to donate more to SNA, in some instances, than I would be forced to pay to eBay ... ! Cheers Nutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinm1 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 well they take near 10% now on a casual sale,then there is paypal fees ,that "charge" the whole payment ,including any postal charge ,within the transaction ,so there looking to double dip again, also im very happy to donate on any sale I make ,on SNA, I look at it as keeping a happy place ,happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdh500 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I know I limit the potential buyers market when I sell on ebay but I either only offer pickup and cash payment to avoid the paypal fee and now it seems fee on postage. Alternately if someone desperately wants the item posted I'll add about a 50% markup to the actual postage cost to cover my time or paypal fee. Its like any fee it ultimately gets past onto the end customer if the market allows. If I sell anything through this forum I charge my actual postage cost and nothing more. JDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surprisetech Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Interesting to read their supposed reasoning for the change. They want to change sellers behaviour. They want more sellers to offer free postage/shipping. I guess this is in part due to some sellers quoting very high postage costs and discounted price on the product to reduce the amount paid to eBay. Personally, I try to avoid eBay for selling or buying. So, as usual, the majority who do the right thing have to pay for the minority who don't. ebay already seems to have the ability to calculate a reasonably good estimate of what the postage should be. Why can't they just use that to weed out the sellers that are using the inflated postage cost to cover their discounted item price? Offering free postage might be fine for anything that fits in a pre-paid satchel, but postage for larger and/or heavier items varies dramatically with distance. I guess many private sellers will be rethinking listing any larger items on ebay unless it's local pickup only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellrotts Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 there are other options out there other than ebay, oztion.com.au etc. the issue being its no ebay. but if nobody changes, nothing will change, I too am guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendo09 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I live in the boonies. I don't have much of an audience to sell my stuff locally, so I need something like eBay to get as many eyes on the stuff I'm selling as I can get. That being said, last time I sold stuff the cost to do so was unexpectedly large. This change will make it larger. I love it for buying, I can get all sorts of stuff at great prices that I wouldn't normally have access to. But it looks like I'll just have to make my place a one way operation. Stuff can come in, but it will never leave... Edited March 28, 2014 by Brendo09 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellrotts Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I live in the boonies. I don't have much of an audience to sell my stuff locally, so I need something like eBay to get as many eyes on the stuff I'm selling as I can get. That being said, last time I sold stuff the cost to do so was unexpectedly large. This change will make it larger. I love it for buying, I can get all sorts of stuff at great prices that I wouldn't normally have access to. But it looks like I'll just have to make my place a one way operation. Stuff can come in, but it will never leave... I think that happens to a lot of people in audio, I have a pile of amps i wanna sell but wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) It's a bloody rip off. How can they charge me a % on what it costs to post something. The buyer gives me the money and I give it to the posties. At no point is it 'mine', but now I have to pay a % on money I've never had !!! Edited March 31, 2014 by E.Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masliko Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) People will ALWAYS sell where they can make the most money,and that includes fee.The problem is programmers get greedy and sell out almost straight away to major corp. Edited March 29, 2014 by masliko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbuzzardstubble Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Interesting to read their supposed reasoning for the change. They want to change sellers behaviour. They want more sellers to offer free postage/shipping. I guess this is in part due to some sellers quoting very high postage costs and discounted price on the product to reduce the amount paid to eBay. Personally, I try to avoid eBay for selling or buying.The funny thing is a few years ago when I was selling cds on ebay,ebay au introduced rules that forbade sellers from overcharging on postage.E.g if I sold a box set I would have to insert the dimensions into a postage calculator.I would then be given a maximum price I could chargeThis restriction never applied to overseas sites.The other day I saw a cd for sale in Europe (could've even been the UK) where the buyer was asking $56 postage on a $15 cd!!! Are there people crazy enough to pay that sort of money? It seems if ebay and paypal are going to double dip on postage,sellers will have to charge more.Bad business move,ebay. Edited March 29, 2014 by mrbuzzardstubble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronal Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I find most of the previous posts interesting on a site where the prevailing culture leans heavily toward laissez-faire capitalism. eBay is merely acting like any other near-monopoly in a market that isn't constrained by any international regulation. They've expanded vertically by establishing PayPal and I'm actually surprised they haven't tried to get into the delivery side as well. Don't forget also that the Australian government charges GST and import duties where applicable on the total sale cost, including freight. PS: don't assume I agree with what they're doing. I don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Hall Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Good place to buy,crap place to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frednork Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Could be circumvented by Austpost pay on delivery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hifiplus Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 They own Gumtree as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicprObe Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Sellers have caused them to do this. There are stacks of items on there where clearly fees are being avoided as the profit is in the postage. China is big on it but they aren't the only ones. It's been going on for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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