If you're not a DJ, any point in owning DJ mixes on vinyl?

[Candyflip]

Say the entire catalog Global Underground LP's were available to you on vinyl (no doubt, 2LP sets).

disclaimer: they are not to my knowledge - just an example, although maybe Popmarket one day will offer them!  

 

Would there be any point in owning these on other than digital mediums?

Is it even possible for them to sound any better than the CD's/downloads? 

 

You're not a DJ - so you're not spinning them for profit.

And they were by and large, entirely recorded, mixed and mastered digitally in any case, right?

So no need to spin them in your lounge-room unless they somehow are of a higher quality.

12" singles sound incredible - I can see the case for that.

But are the albums any good at all?

 

Is there any point in chasing any dance titles down then, apart from obscure 'collectability' perhaps?.. 

[Guest]

I'm not sure I follow.....

For starters.

An already mixed set on vinyl wouldn't be any good to a DJ anyway, unless they're a hack, just jumping up and down behind the decks with headphones on, hoping that the crowd won't notice.

EDIT (Are we talking about mixed albums or individual tracks?)

EDIT 2 (Thread title says DJ mixes... Oops Ok )

You're basically asking, hypothetically, if there's any point to buying vinyl over CD, correct?

A full DJ set over 2xLP's would mean the set would be broken in to 4 pieces, which would be pointless.

If you're listening to a continuously mixed set you would want it to be uninterrupted.

Not having to get up and flip the record over.

As much as I love vinyl, some things don't fit on one side and are best enjoyed on a media which allows uninterrupted play.

As for individual dance titles, that's a different kettle of fish.

I often play a lot of my 12" hard house/trance/techno/etc singles right from the first beat just to get the whole ride, so to speak.

When mixing, you're so focused on the mix and the record is a tool more than a tune.

You don't really have time to enjoy the full build, drop, release of the tune, and sometimes it's nice to listen to those first couple of minutes of nothing but kickdrums and hihats.

Not sure if this is the answer you were looking for, but I love a good rant

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[davewantsmoore]

No you would not expect that they were handled differently to the digital formats, so there wouldn't be any point   (aside from the fact that there are some awesome releases on that label)  

[davewantsmoore]

sometimes it's nice to listen to those first couple of minutes of nothing but kickdrums and hihats

 

In the case of GU, what is 'unmixed' on vinyl is from what I've seen "limited edition".    This might be a another reason to own it  

[pete_mac]

You had me at 'Global Underground'. I'd buy it purely for the awesomeness quotient which would be sky-high in this instance.

Given my recent acquisition for old-time's sake (CDJ1000mk3s and a sweet Allen and Heath mixer) I'd buy most of their releases in unmixed digital format though.

[Guest]

In the case of GU, what is 'unmixed' on vinyl is from what I've seen "limited edition". This might be a another reason to own it

He said DJ mixes though...

A DJ most likely wouldn't spin a DJ mixed record as the cue-up bits are in the mix, so to speak.....

I'm confused and need another beer.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[davewantsmoore]

He said DJ mixes though...

 

So he did.   I caught caught up in "you're not a DJ so not spinning for profit".

 

Who's confused now?!!?   

[Guest]

Oh yeah, by the way, I'm oldskool.

I can beatmatch all night long in a pitch dark room, with nothing but the needle light and a cigarette to light the booth.

I'll spin those 1210's till the sun rises and I can barely stand upright anymore.

We used to blow people away by phasing 2 identical records by ear, until they released mixers with a phase button which took all the fun out of it...

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[Guest]

So he did.   I caught caught up in "you're not a DJ so not spinning for profit".

 

Who's confused now?!!?   

Beer will fix it

[davewantsmoore]

5:06pm is beer oclock.

 

 

For now I just have to make do with Deep Dish - Essential Mix    (They have reformed, well I never)    :o

[Guest]

Do you spin the wheels of steel, Dave?

By the way, I didn't mean to come across as bragging above.

I just get pissed off when people make a playlist on a laptop and call themselves a DJ.

Old and cranky.... I know.

Back in my day etc etc....

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[Candyflip]

The discussion idea came out of the Gatecrasher Wet and Digital 2LP sets I saw on eBay the other day.

 

I thought..how cool... then I thought, WTF?!  

 

They are not mixed... and they leave out slabs of good music which are included on the full 2CD sets.

 

Then I bought Nick Warren's 'Back To Mine', which does a similar thing.

But as it's a chillout set, not being entirely mixed anymore is not such a big deal. And I love the sound..

 

I have seen mixed sets though on (2-4)LP's - and thought, why?

Collectability?

Coolness?

 

you see?

[Guest]

They are not mixed... and they leave out slabs of good music which are included on the full 2CD sets.

So... They just cut them down to Radio Edit length?

Fade in and out?

I don't get it

I have seen mixed sets though on (2-4)LP's

Doesn't make sense to me....

So my answer to the topic question is NO.

DJ or not, there's no point in buying an either mixed or broken up DJ set on 2x vinyl.

.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[davewantsmoore]

Do you spin the wheels of steel, Dave?

 

Does Serato/Traktor count? .....   I have friends who play in clubs down here, but nobody play real vinyl any longer.

 

 

... and I like to jump on occasionally at house parties or whatever, but I normally get kicked off before I have time to find my mojo.

 

(I've never had my own equipment to practise on)

[poiu]

the answer to the original question is 'no'.

 

and 'no' they likely wouldn't sound better than the mix on cd

 

BUT I still reckon they would sell well. I do have a short carl craig vinyl (live in paris) and a short qbert set on vinyl, and who wouldn't want jeff mills live at the liquid room on vinyl?

[davewantsmoore]

So... They just cut them down to Radio Edit length?

Fade in and out?

I don't get it

 

No I think me means you get the same-ish number of sides, but because the (unmixed) tracks go for much longer, you only get half the tracks from the regular mixed release.

 

... and he didn't like their track selections.

[davewantsmoore]

I just get pissed off when people make a playlist on a laptop and call themselves a DJ

 

Track selection is a big deal of course.... but I do agree

[Candyflip]

No I think me means you get the same-ish number of sides, but because the (unmixed) tracks go for much longer, you only get half the tracks from the regular mixed release.

 

... and he didn't like their track selections.

 

You would be 100% correct.

[Guest]

Well if they're unmixed it's not a DJ mix......

Just a trimmed down compilation with selected tracks originally featured in a full DJ set.

Edited March 27, 2014 by Dirty_vinylpusher

[pete_mac]

Oh yeah, by the way, I'm oldskool.

I can beatmatch all night long in a pitch dark room, with nothing but the needle light and a cigarette to light the booth.

I'll spin those 1210's till the sun rises and I can barely stand upright anymore.

We used to blow people away by phasing 2 identical records by ear, until they released mixers with a phase button which took all the fun out of it...

This is the exact reason why I went for CDJ1000s and a nice A&H analogue mixer, rather than anything which has beat locking built into the software and/or device. It was hard enough for me to switch from beloved SL1200s back in the day (a nasty vinyl habit was making me broke) and at the time, the CDJs were as close as I could get to the 'real thing'.

Love the art of beat matching, riding the pitch, and doing things the way they were meant to be done

Edited March 27, 2014 by pete_mac

[Guest]

I must get a CD deck one day so I can play some stuff I haven't got on vinyl as well as throw some of my own stuff in to the mix.

[Candyflip]

Well if they're unmixed it's not a DJ mix......

Just a trimmed down compilation with selected tracks originally featured in a full DJ set.

 

God, you're so LITERAL today....

 

That was just one example... of LP's that are unmixed.

 

But there are plenty that are mixed (say, Richie Hawtin's 'Decks, EFX and...') and for those, featuring only half the tracks the CD release has, on 2 LP's that need constant changing of sides, with possibly no audio advantage, I say again : why would you?

 

As some have answered already though; regardless of the reasons not to listed just now, they would STILL buy them!   

[pete_mac]

I must get a CD deck one day so I can play some stuff I haven't got on vinyl as well as throw some of my own stuff in to the mix.

A nice CDJ1000mk3 can be had for $300-400 these days.

[Guest]

God, you're so LITERAL today....

 

Well there seemed to be two different conversations going on there for a while.

Just wanted to make sure.

I'm always literal.

Not just today.

You'll learn to love me.

Or choose to ignore me

[Candyflip]

You had me at 'Global Underground'. I'd buy it purely for the awesomeness quotient which would be sky-high in this instance.

 

 

OK.

 

So, which of the catalog would you outlay good $'s for on vinyl?

 

Probably Sasha in San Fran (009 I think) for me....