DoggieHowser Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Bill, love your enthusiasm for all things hi-fi! Please explain if there is another conclusion to be drawn from those photos. Is there a piece of evidence/space junk that is hiding somewhere that I can't see? I think Bill already pointed out earlier that you can't buy this resistor from the vendor. It's made specifically for that customer. I'm not sure where you got the 25 cents from. 1
bhobba Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Bill, love your enthusiasm for all things hi-fi! Please explain if there is another conclusion to be drawn from those photos. Is there a piece of evidence/space junk that is hiding somewhere that I can't see? Steve. I have tons of times in this thread. So - one more time. That resistor is a non standard made to order part. It is not a standard resistor. You can not go out and buy it. It almost certainly did not cost 50 cents. Jack Bybee likely was able to order it through his contacts in the Military and is not something available to the general public. It was also pointed out in the thread that picky came from - and I posted the relevant bit. Thanks Bill Edited March 22, 2014 by bhobba
Steve M Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Is it? Get exactly that resistor and part number and I might believe you. Its very disingenuous to not give the full detail of that thread: 'Pacific won't discuss any technical details or sell you any as this is a custom part for a particular customer and not a catalogue item' Can I ask exactly why you didn't point out that bit of key information? It wouldn't be you have made up your mind already and are very selective in the information you post to support you already made up mind. Couldn't be that - perish the thought. This is exactly why Bybee threads go nowhere. Its all been thrashed out before. Thanks Bill Point taken Bill and maybe that explains it, a special resistor, OK?? I have not gone through the entire DIYAudio thread on the Bybees, there's a bazillion pages to it and life is short. But, there is a part number 1711 on the resistor, I will have to do a Google search on it to see if it is a generic 50cent type? There is discussion on the DIYAudio forum that electrical tests have been conducted on it that indicates it behaves like a normal resistor. Of course these tests are meaningless, unless you do it at the 'quantum level of physics', I guess? Or so how the story is told ... Edited March 22, 2014 by Steve M
THOMO Posted March 22, 2014 Author Posted March 22, 2014 Steve. I have tons of times in this thread. So - one more time. That resistor is a non standard made to order part. It is not a standard resistor. You can not go out and buy it. It almost certainly did not cost 50 cents. Jack Bybee likely was able to order it through his contacts in the Military and is not something available to the general public. It was also pointed out in the thread that picky came from - and I posted the relevant bit. Thanks Bill If you read the DIY thread you will see that this resistor was measured for everything you could measure it for and for any other magic qualities-including the things claimed it does by Bybee and by some very sophisticated equipment.Not just a multi- meter. It measured in every respect just like a bog standard resistor.
Saxon Hall Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Of course sellers will want to sell them.There is much money to be made out of accessories.Often more than on the main product itself. Like a retailer making more profit from selling you a Monster HDMI cable for 200 bucks than from selling you the TV for 2K?
bhobba Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 But, there is a part number 1711 on the resistor, I will have to do a Google search on it to see if it is a generic 50cent type? There is discussion on the DIYAudio forum that electrical tests have been conducted on it that indicates it behaves like a normal resistor. Of course these tests are meaningless, unless you do it at the 'quantum level of physics', I guess? Or so how the story is told ... If you can get that particular part number from Pacific at some ridiculously low price, and they confirm its simply a normal wire-wound resistor, then that would indeed be something interesting to post. I take the word of those in the thread that say you can't - its a special made to order item. Thanks Bill
Telecine Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) If you can get that particular part number from Pacific at some ridiculously low price, and they confirm its simply a normal wire-wound resistor, then that would indeed be something interesting to post. I take the word of those in the thread that say you can't - its a special made to order item. Thanks Bill Of course, the fact that it is made to order doesn't prove that it isn't just a resistor ; ) Edited March 22, 2014 by Telecine 2
bhobba Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) If you read the DIY thread you will see that this resistor was measured for everything you could measure it for and for any other magic qualities-including the things claimed it does by Bybee and by some very sophisticated equipment.Not just a multi- meter. It measured in every respect just like a bog standard resistor. And you believe everything you hear shows up in the measurements we take today? For example, I have heard the large difference putting audio gear on isolation platforms make. I have heard the difference Duelund capacitors make. Yet its highly doubtfull any electrical measurement that is usually taken will show any difference. I could say more on it, but its simply rehashing what has been said many times before about measurements telling the whole story (they IMHO, do BTW - its just there are a myriad we do not take that likely also affect the sound) - which is the unstated assumption you make. Anyway off to get some lunch now - will see the turn the thread has taken when I get back. Thanks Bill Edited March 22, 2014 by bhobba
zipstartcanoe Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Best quote on the Dutch forum; "Bye bye Bybee, Bybee bye bye" :) 1
David A Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Firstly, that looks like the cheapest model Quantum purifier and is not on the same level as the latest Slipstream Quantum purifiers. Secondly, opening up a purifier and making an uneducated assumption about the materials and engineering of that component is just silly. Jack Bybee is regarded by many as a quiet achiever and genius at what he does. As he explains, he is working at the Quantum mechanical level and using nano-technology in his latest products. The last time I checked, there were no Quantum physicists in the forum. No audio tweak will improve the sound substantially in every application. But the bottom line is, I don't think guys like Leif Olofsson or Dan Wright who trusts their ears would care about the view of someone who only trusts their eyes (or for that matter someone who bases their view on measurements, of by the way a mauled, disected purifier). Edited March 22, 2014 by Bodhi 1
zipstartcanoe Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) I think it's healthy to have a candid discussion about Bybee products since their Quantum purifiers were originally developed for military applications (some of which remains classified). Of course, Bybee purifiers work on the Quantum mechanical level in physics, so if attempting to analyze the design, one would first need to have a fundamental understanding of Quantum physics. Secondly, I don't know about cheap pvc...the latest Gold Slipstream Quantum purifiers are based on carbon fiber and nanotechnology. They do use Teflon (ePTFE) insulation essentially as an air dielectric for the conductors. Putting reviews aside, I doubt a guy like Dan Wright who has built his reputation and business on affordable mods that work would deal in snake oil products which could damage his business. Or for that matter Leif Olofsson from Marten who internally wires their Coltrane Supreme II speakers with Jorma Statement cables which make use of the latest Bybee Gold Slipstream purifiers. Just my 2 cents. Who says the military application remains "classified"? If it was classified how would anyone outside of the military know? More particularly, if the "technology" was used in classified military applications, I would have thought using that as a tag line in a marketing campaign would be kind of counter productive! ZSC ps; btw, EVERYTHING in the universe works on a quantum level (sshhh...... don't tell anyone though, it's a secret....) Edited March 22, 2014 by zipstartcanoe 2
David A Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Who says the military application remains "classified"? If it was classified how would anyone outside of the military know? More particularly, if the "technology" was used classified military applications, I would have thought using that as a tag line in a marketing campaign would be kind of counter productive! ZSC ps; btw, EVERYTHING in the universe waorks on a quantum level (sshhh...... don't tell anyone though, it's a secret....) Sorry to say Zip I don't work in the Pentagon or have commercially sensitive information about Bybee patents. You can read their claims here here and if you still think it's hogwash, email Jack. Edited March 22, 2014 by Bodhi
Steve M Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) I wonder how many resistor Companies mix up a concoction of space age materials and at what profit model for the relatively few that Bybee would order? Aren't resistors just a wire-wound around a former and then covered with ceramic material for stability, where is the quantum physics employed? Anyway, I'll stop talking for now on the basis of giving the benefit of the doubt to users and Bybee that their specially ordered resistor from the Pacific Resistors factory is something 'special', who knows really? but it does push the boundaries of known electrical engineering principles. Steve. Edited March 22, 2014 by Steve M
DoggieHowser Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Got this from another forum Art Dudley's "As We See It", the first page inside the cover of the April 2014 edition of Stereophile magazine is very interesting. His comments are titled Bully for You.Art points out quite clearly the root of many audio conversations where someone takes the position that their conclusions are the final word and anyone who disagrees needs to learn how to listen. His comments are not only entertaining but educational. The article is well worth the time to read. 3
zipstartcanoe Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Bill, have you thought to try a quality resistor of the same value in the same location? 2
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 22, 2014 Volunteer Posted March 22, 2014 Is there a single shred of evidence anywhere that supports these 'military secret' claims?
Guest Hensa Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Is there a single shred of evidence anywhere that supports these 'military secret' claims? Sorry, that's Classified.
zipstartcanoe Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Deleted! Edited March 22, 2014 by zipstartcanoe
David A Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 This thread has become about as objective and mature as a (Prep) school yard fight. If all these DIY hero's were so smart, they wouldn't be expending so much energy trying to discredit the reputation of a successful Inventor, but would rather be invested in and focused on developing thier own products to compete with Bybee.
Once was an audiophile Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Sorry Bill & other defenders, however the pictures don't lie. IT IS JUST A 50c RESISTOR ...that can cost you up to $500 if you go via the Bybee route. I think the ACCC would lock you up in Australia if you promulgated such a fraud. But, you know us 'philes we'll believe anything?? What no duelund resistor used !!!!!! shame shame shame 1
Once was an audiophile Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 This thread has become about as objective and mature as a (Prep) school yard fight. If all these DIY hero's were so smart, they wouldn't be expending so much energy trying to discredit the reputation of a successful Inventor, but would rather be invested in and focused on developing thier own products to compete with Bybee. Diy people spend money where it matters,competing with commercial gear is a waste of time and $$$$$$$$$$$$ imho.
bhobba Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Bill, have you thought to try a quality resistor of the same value in the same location? No. I take the word of people like Mike and Clay that's not what it does. And its simple logic - they wouldn't do it if a resistor does the same thing. However if you don't agree with them feel free to do a comparison yourself and post about it. Thanks Bill
bhobba Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 Is there a single shred of evidence anywhere that supports these 'military secret' claims? Other than his word you mean? Thanks Bill
zipstartcanoe Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 What no duelund resistor used !!!!!! shame shame shame Couldn't afford the pencil! 1
David A Posted March 22, 2014 Posted March 22, 2014 No I can't agree with that statement Kajak. If your fellow DIY'ers were as smart as they claim they would not be spending money, but making money off thier brilliant inventions. What we have here is basically a rather feverish exercise to make a few people feel better by attempting to publically discredit a brilliant and successful Inventor. I would go as far as to say one or two posts are potentially defamatory.
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